With one of the worst QBs in ND history as his coach? By far the worst hire in the big change up was Tommy Rees, so how much can he improve? I found this hire crazy when it was announced, I would think there would be better QB coaches out there.

If he improved he's his timing, he'll be fine. He's a half second late on his reads. Cost him two long TDs yesterday.

 

Tommy is a fine QB coach. You don't have to be able to play to coach.

With one of the worst QBs in ND history as his coach? By far the worst hire in the big change up was Tommy Rees, so how much can he improve? I found this hire crazy when it was announced, I would think there would be better QB coaches out there.

 

Wimbush needs improvement but did you notice the interaction with him and Kelly after each series? There's a bond between player and coach I haven't seen with the other kids prior to Wimbush. Further the connection you're trying to draw may be borne out of frustration but way off in the fact the one consistent factor for Rees was his being destined to coach someday. Ask Belicheck, Gruden, Saban how their college careers played out. And no, Rees is light years away from them but hope you get my point. Wimbush lost confidence yesterday and I loved the fact the staff had him keep throwing until he began to work his way through it. Enjoy the win. Go Irish!

Wimbush is much more of a positive than a negative on this team.

 

1185 total yards, 14 total td's 2 interceptions.

 

You gotta look at the total picture to know why he will remain steadfast on the field regardless of our expectations

Edited October 1, 20177 yr by FaithInIrishForever

I have no idea if Rees was a bad hire. All I saw was that Wimbush appeared to be going through his progressions with guys not always open along with, at times some good and bad throws.

 

We have a lot of tall, big receivers who I think will struggle against fast secondaries. Perhaps Stepherson will help. I don't know. I do know that the QB always gets the blame, but it's not that simple.

With one of the worst QBs in ND history as his coach? By far the worst hire in the big change up was Tommy Rees, so how much can he improve? I found this hire crazy when it was announced, I would think there would be better QB coaches out there.

 

If you think Rees is one of the worst QB's in ND history, you don't know much about ND history. Just off the top of my head, Rees was a better QB than

 

Bill Zloch

Bill Etter

Pat Steenberge

Cliff Brown

Rick Slater

Tim Koegel

Blair Kiel

Terry Andrysiak

Matt LoVecchio

Carlisle Holliday

Pat Dillingham

I have no idea if Rees was a bad hire. All I saw was that Wimbush appeared to be going through his progressions with guys not always open along with, at times some good and bad throws.

 

We have a lot of tall, big receivers who I think will struggle against fast secondaries. Perhaps Stepherson will help. I don't know. I do know that the QB always gets the blame, but it's not that simple.

 

Agreed when Wimbush has proper throwing mechanics he can throw with anyone.

 

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feet under him, weight forward, shoulders level, throw on the money.

If you think Rees is one of the worst QB's in ND history, you don't know much about ND history. Just off the top of my head, Rees was a better QB than

 

Bill Zloch

Bill Etter

Pat Steenberge

Cliff Brown

Rick Slater

Tim Koegel

Blair Kiel

Terry Andrysiak

Matt LoVecchio

Carlisle Holliday

Pat Dillingham

 

Yep. The problem was never with Rees, but rather how he was used...

Yep. The problem was never with Rees, but rather how he was used...

 

Rees took sacks or ran out of bounds for a loss and very seldom threw the ball away to protect his completion percentage.

He had some of the best receivers in college football plus Kelly`s offense was 5-10 yard passes and long runs. Rees was the worst QB that I can remember.

Wimbush is the 55th leading rusher in the country with Josh and Adam both in the top 10 in either yards per game or yard per carry.

 

Wimbush is a real leader and learning from his mistakes vs fighting.

 

Tony Rice was never a thrower but we won. I like the football we are playing.

Wimbush is much more of a positive than a negative on this team.

 

1185 total yards, 14 total td's 2 interceptions.

 

You gotta look at the total picture to know why he will remain steadfast on the field regardless of our expectations

 

You're right.. he is careful with the ball for the most part but we are going to need to have a passing threat to beat the big boys coming up on the schedule and am worried that BK and Long will try to protect him if he doesn't show some serious improvement.

If you think Rees is one of the worst QB's in ND history, you don't know much about ND history. Just off the top of my head, Rees was a better QB than

 

Bill Zloch

Bill Etter

Pat Steenberge

Cliff Brown

Rick Slater

Tim Koegel

Blair Kiel

Terry Andrysiak

Matt LoVecchio

Carlisle Holliday

Pat Dillingham

 

Gary Godsey

I have no idea if Rees was a bad hire. All I saw was that Wimbush appeared to be going through his progressions with guys not always open along with, at times some good and bad throws.

 

We have a lot of tall, big receivers who I think will struggle against fast secondaries. Perhaps Stepherson will help. I don't know. I do know that the QB always gets the blame, but it's not that simple.

 

Wimbush is much more of a positive than a negative on this team.

 

1185 total yards, 14 total td's 2 interceptions.

 

You gotta look at the total picture to know why he will remain steadfast on the field regardless of our expectations

 

Let's remove rushing TD's...6 TDs vs 2 INTs (3 of those TDs against Miami OH)

 

I'm just worried about putting the game on Wimbush's shoulders and either 1) Having to carry the team with his arm or 2) Having to win the game with his arm

 

I don't think he can do either. Even against lowly Miami OH, I'm still seeing these traits in him:

- Takes forever to go through his progressions; Seriously, even the announcers pointed it out. The OLine gives him forever to throw. And he still freaks out at the slightest hint the pocket is collapsing (mention it again below)

- Can't find or anticipate the open receiver

- Poor pocket presence; even a hint that pocket is about to collapse (the pocket ends up holding up just fine), he freaks out and is ready to make a break for it

- When he eventually pulls the trigger, he's about half a second slow

- not very accurate even when the player is wide open

 

Touch is better though. Looks like the coaches emphasized his touch because he's not just rocketing in his passed anymore so that's encouraging

my question is how long do you stay with the Brandon wimbush experiment if his passing does not improve? ND may not survive the second half of the season with a qb that cant throw the football, if it weren't for josh adams and dexter Williams this offense would be awful. at some point you have to insert ian book to see if he can spark the passing game. book can run the ball and looks to be a much better passer than wimbush, how long do you keep him on the bench before you've seen enough from wimbush?

my question is how long do you stay with the Brandon wimbush experiment if his passing does not improve? ND may not survive the second half of the season with a qb that cant throw the football, if it weren't for josh adams and dexter Williams this offense would be awful. at some point you have to insert ian book to see if he can spark the passing game. book can run the ball and looks to be a much better passer than wimbush, how long do you keep him on the bench before you've seen enough from wimbush?

 

Looks to be better based on what? He is 3 of 8 so far and one was an amazing catch by Finke.

 

Also, how much is the success in the run game based on having Wimbush as a threat for the defense to account for? Book might be a capable runner, but he isn't Wimbush. So if the passing gets marginally better, but the run game gets worse, is it really a positive for the offense?

Edited October 2, 20177 yr by corysold

my question is how long do you stay with the Brandon wimbush experiment if his passing does not improve? ND may not survive the second half of the season with a qb that cant throw the football, if it weren't for josh adams and dexter Williams this offense would be awful. at some point you have to insert ian book to see if he can spark the passing game. book can run the ball and looks to be a much better passer than wimbush, how long do you keep him on the bench before you've seen enough from wimbush?

 

He's not an expiriment, he's the QB and will be has long as I can see.

 

Taking rushing TD's away is denying his overall impact on the game.

 

Just enjoy things at this point guys.

He's not an expiriment, he's the QB and will be has long as I can see.

 

Taking rushing TD's away is denying his overall impact on the game.

 

Just enjoy things at this point guys.

 

Exactly. Keep playing him until he breaks. Sure, I wish he could be a consistent passer with touch. But ... now that we are 4 games in... I say run him until he breaks. I don't think he will improve in his passing. He may have been better in HS but this level presents something different and no way will this kid be in the NFL for any meaningful time IMHO. Hope he gets us to 9 wins. I said this in the game chat... his passes need to be structured for the short game early on in the game.

Exactly. Keep playing him until he breaks. Sure, I wish he could be a consistent passer with touch. But ... now that we are 4 games in... I say run him until he breaks. I don't think he will improve in his passing. He may have been better in HS but this level presents something different and no way will this kid be in the NFL for any meaningful time IMHO. Hope he gets us to 9 wins. I said this in the game chat... his passes need to be structured for the short game early on in the game.

 

I mean JT Barrett is probably not the next Tom Brady in the NFL either. The sooner we realize that the College game is different than the pro game, unless you have pro talent.

 

I want Brandon to be Healthy and Successful, but I also want ND to operate like a college football team.

 

I would argue if you put Clausen back there this team would be worse.

 

We do well when are QB's can Move a bit, Tony Rice, Keven McDougal.

I mean JT Barrett is probably not the next Tom Brady in the NFL either. The sooner we realize that the College game is different than the pro game, unless you have pro talent.

 

I want Brandon to be Healthy and Successful, but I also want ND to operate like a college football team.

 

I would argue if you put Clausen back there this team would be worse.

 

We do well when are QB's can Move a bit, Tony Rice, Keven McDougal.

 

All this I agree with. I am well aware that this a College game that differs from the Pro game. We are a college team that runs the zone read RPO offense. This is where I draw the distinction with my argument. I want this offensive scheme to go away and the recruitment of the "dual option QB" that is the ND tendency. I think our recruitment options and prosperity for future recruitment, success and national notoriety would be better realized by adopting a pro style offense.

All this I agree with. I am well aware that this a College game that differs from the Pro game. We are a college team that runs the zone read RPO offense. This is where I draw the distinction with my argument. I want this offensive scheme to go away and the recruitment of the "dual option QB" that is the ND tendency. I think our recruitment options and prosperity for future recruitment, success and national notoriety would be better realized by adopting a pro style offense.

 

My respectful counter to that is we tried that under Charlie Weis. I will say Charlie paired with Elko would be the middle ground that I would shake on.

 

Do we have a compromise or is there a counter you would offer?

My respectful counter to that is we tried that under Charlie Weis. I will say Charlie paired with Elko would be the middle ground that I would shake on.

 

Do we have a compromise or is there a counter you would offer?

 

I thought we were talking about Offense exclusively. But since you have brought defense into the overall picture... let's take the entire year in evaluation of Elko before we compare him to the disaster of Tenuta. Sticking to offense... I still prefer the pro style offense for the reasons I stated. I believe it will attract more exclusive Oline and WRs if we adopt that mentality. Clearly the NFL game is where we will earn credibility with what we produce at our program. Produce those players and you will win at recruiting those players. The egg does come before the chicken.

Edited October 3, 20177 yr by VCDomer