I only saw the first few minutes of that game and haven't had a chance to watch yet. But I'm so intrigued to do so.

 

Looking at the box score, ND set rushing records, won by 29 on the road, played good defense and struggled passing.

 

Then I read the board this morning and it seems like ND nearly lost and looked terrible. I'm anxious to watch the game and see where that difference comes from.

I only saw the first few minutes of that game and haven't had a chance to watch yet. But I'm so intrigued to do so.

 

Looking at the box score, ND set rushing records, won by 29 on the road, played good defense and struggled passing.

 

Then I read the board this morning and it seems like ND nearly lost and looked terrible. I'm anxious to watch the game and see where that difference comes from.

 

I was shocked to come here an hour, two hours after the game and see one thread about it.

 

ND looked flat in the beginning, uninspired to say the least. Defense tightened up a lot in the 2nd half and committing to the run paid off big in the 2nd half. Adams isn't a "home run threat" per se but who wouldn't take a pair of 65-yard runs? He got caught from behind both times but ND punched it in in both cases.

 

Still, BC is really, really bad. We made them look ok-ish for a half. Against better teams that's going to be much tougher to overcome. But all in all, ND played hard through the end of the 4th and the final score reflects that.

I was shocked to come here an hour, two hours after the game and see one thread about it.

 

ND looked flat in the beginning, uninspired to say the least. Defense tightened up a lot in the 2nd half and committing to the run paid off big in the 2nd half. Adams isn't a "home run threat" per se but who wouldn't take a pair of 65-yard runs? He got caught from behind both times but ND punched it in in both cases.

 

Still, BC is really, really bad. We made them look ok-ish for a half. Against better teams that's going to be much tougher to overcome. But all in all, ND played hard through the end of the 4th and the final score reflects that.

 

Thanks. Just seems weird. Some games go that way. Colorado St and Alabama was 17-10 with 1:01 left in first half. You play all 4 quarters for a reason.

 

I just find it odd that with 515 yards rushing and a 29 point win, there is athread about the team sucking. ND beat BC worse than Alabama beat Colorado St and you'd think they lost.

Yes we killed BC in the 2nd half. But the offensive formula we used beating BC is not sustainable against quality competition. The QB scrambles wont work against faster defenses, and we cant expect multiple 60+ yard runs. Not to mention the most talented players still are not seeing the field enough.

 

Dexter Williams - Should at least be the RB2 with at least 10-12 carries a game. Adams is going to breakdown at his current pace which is a disservice to his pro career and the team.

Kevin Stepherson - Should be the WR2 but is mysteriously suspended (not by the NCAA or Notre Dame apparently).

CJ Sanders - Should be returning punts and starting as the slot WR.

Chase Claypool- Should be playing more than a couple snaps a game, although I dont think Wimbush can get him the ball

Tevon Coney - Should be a starting LB. Had 13 tackles yesterday while splitting reps w Martini.

Shaun Crawford - Should be a starting corner rather than nickel corner. Shouldnt come off the field on D.

 

I am sure im missing others but these are the glaring personnel issues imo

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Yes we killed BC in the 2nd half. But the offensive formula we used beating BC is not sustainable against quality competition. The QB scrambles wont work against faster defenses, and we cant expect multiple 60+ yard runs. Not to mention the most talented players still are not seeing the field enough.

 

Dexter Williams - Should at least be the RB2 with at least 10-12 carries a game. Adams is going to breakdown at his current pace which is a disservice to his pro career and the team.

Kevin Stepherson - Should be the WR2 but is mysteriously suspended (not by the NCAA or Notre Dame apparently).

CJ Sanders - Should be returning punts and starting as the slot WR.

Tevon Coney - Should be a starting LB. Had 13 tackles yesterday while splitting reps w Martini.

Shaun Crawford - Should be a starting corner rather than nickel corner. Shouldnt come off the field on D.

 

I am sure im missing others but these are the glaring personnel issues imo

 

Thanks for the write up. I'm anxious to see it. That seems to be Kelly's biggest issue, no matter how he wins, it just always seems like he doesn't get the most out of the team.

I only saw the first few minutes of that game and haven't had a chance to watch yet. But I'm so intrigued to do so.

 

Looking at the box score, ND set rushing records, won by 29 on the road, played good defense and struggled passing.

 

Then I read the board this morning and it seems like ND nearly lost and looked terrible. I'm anxious to watch the game and see where that difference comes from.

 

The game is based on scoring and preventing the other team from scoring. We did that well today relative to both team's talent.

 

Onward to MSU!

The game is based on scoring and preventing the other team from scoring. We did that well today relative to both team's talent.

 

Onward to MSU!

 

Exactly, completely agree. Great halftime adjustments and a d that locked it in when needed. The offense is far from perfect but they're playing to their strengths and to he honest after seeing Stanford and usc struggle yesterday I'm more excited overall about the potential of the season. If they get through msu and nc I think 9-3 is likely with 1 win over Stanford USC Miami

Yes we killed BC in the 2nd half. But the offensive formula we used beating BC is not sustainable against quality competition. The QB scrambles wont work against faster defenses, and we cant expect multiple 60+ yard runs. Not to mention the most talented players still are not seeing the field enough.

 

Dexter Williams - Should at least be the RB2 with at least 10-12 carries a game. Adams is going to breakdown at his current pace which is a disservice to his pro career and the team.

Kevin Stepherson - Should be the WR2 but is mysteriously suspended (not by the NCAA or Notre Dame apparently).

CJ Sanders - Should be returning punts and starting as the slot WR.

Chase Claypool- Should be playing more than a couple snaps a game, although I dont think Wimbush can get him the ball

Tevon Coney - Should be a starting LB. Had 13 tackles yesterday while splitting reps w Martini.

Shaun Crawford - Should be a starting corner rather than nickel corner. Shouldnt come off the field on D.

 

I am sure im missing others but these are the glaring personnel issues imo

 

I agree on all these except not totally on the Coney thing. Whatever they're doing with the linebacker rotation it's working. Martini, Morgan, Coney, Tranquill and Bilal have all been effective when on the field.

 

This linebacking group has the depth of 2012 but might be a tad better as a whole.

Thanks. Just seems weird. Some games go that way. Colorado St and Alabama was 17-10 with 1:01 left in first half. You play all 4 quarters for a reason.

 

I just find it odd that with 515 yards rushing and a 29 point win, there is athread about the team sucking. ND beat BC worse than Alabama beat Colorado St and you'd think they lost.

 

We get a little anxious because this team is so flawed. We see a record breaking run game agaisnt a bad team yet we also know how it performs against a good team.

 

Our defense can give big plays at time but i love that it appears elko can make adjustment.

 

Watching some unknown rs freshmen qb for bc make throws brandon couldn't was painful to watch.

ND wins seems to be like watching a Mark Wahlberg movie. Their good, but you always leave feeling unfulfilled.

Anyone have a replay? Was hoping to watch it today on espn3 but it seems to be the only cfb game not available on replay.

ND wins seems to be like watching a Mark Wahlberg movie. Their good, but you always leave feeling unfulfilled.

How were you unfulfilled after the Temple game and the 2nd half after yesterday? I think people are reading way too much into yesterday's victory. BC didn't look that bad in the 1st half, and we just steamrolled them in the 2nd half. Yeah passing game stunk (receivers sure didn't help), but they can and will figure something out. Wimbush did pass for nearly 200 v. Temple. Long and Rees will get something figured out.

How were you unfulfilled after the Temple game and the 2nd half after yesterday? I think people are reading way too much into yesterday's victory. BC didn't look that bad in the 1st half, and we just steamrolled them in the 2nd half. Yeah passing game stunk (receivers sure didn't help), but they can and will figure something out. Wimbush did pass for nearly 200 v. Temple. Long and Rees will get something figured out.

 

I'm smart enough to realize no one is going to roll over for us. It's football. Winning is tough. But is it wrong to have that doubt that something's just aren't going to get fix as long as BK is the coach? Every year I'm as optimistic as anybody but I can't shake the feeling that Wimbush is not going to get better. That our play calling will continue to be stale. That once we play a decent team will fold. It's been BK's MO since he's been here. Win some big games, continue to dominate and then I'll jump back on. I think it's fair that some of us keep BK on his toes this whole season. 9-3 isn't good enough anymore. I want BK coaching as if it could be his last. That's how he should always be coaching. So, I apologize for not being as positive as I have been in the past. A win is a win. I'm happy about that. But I'm in the show me category now. I would even be happy if BK used that slogan for every game going forward. Who cares what you did last Saturday. Nobody cares. Show me(us) what you can do this Saturday. That's what I want.

I'm smart enough to realize no one is going to roll over for us. It's football. Winning is tough. But is it wrong to have that doubt that something's just aren't going to get fix as long as BK is the coach? Every year I'm as optimistic as anybody but I can't shake the feeling that Wimbush is not going to get better. That our play calling will continue to be stale. That once we play a decent team will fold. It's been BK's MO since he's been here. Win some big games, continue to dominate and then I'll jump back on. I think it's fair that some of us keep BK on his toes this whole season. 9-3 isn't good enough anymore. I want BK coaching as if it could be his last. That's how he should always be coaching. So, I apologize for not being as positive as I have been in the past. A win is a win. I'm happy about that. But I'm in the show me category now. I would even be happy if BK used that slogan for every game going forward. Who cares what you did last Saturday. Nobody cares. Show me(us) what you can do this Saturday. That's what I want.

 

Agree 100%.

Yes we killed BC in the 2nd half. But the offensive formula we used beating BC is not sustainable against quality competition. The QB scrambles wont work against faster defenses, and we cant expect multiple 60+ yard runs. Not to mention the most talented players still are not seeing the field enough.

 

Dexter Williams - Should at least be the RB2 with at least 10-12 carries a game. Adams is going to breakdown at his current pace which is a disservice to his pro career and the team.

Kevin Stepherson - Should be the WR2 but is mysteriously suspended (not by the NCAA or Notre Dame apparently).

CJ Sanders - Should be returning punts and starting as the slot WR.

Chase Claypool- Should be playing more than a couple snaps a game, although I dont think Wimbush can get him the ball

Tevon Coney - Should be a starting LB. Had 13 tackles yesterday while splitting reps w Martini.

Shaun Crawford - Should be a starting corner rather than nickel corner. Shouldnt come off the field on D.

 

I am sure im missing others but these are the glaring personnel issues imo

 

MY MAN! Thank you for so eloquently and concisely pointing out the obvious. This is why I am still concerned. What is it that the people who are allegedly more knowledge in coaching see that we don't?

ND wins seems to be like watching a Mark Wahlberg movie. Their good, but you always leave feeling unfulfilled.

 

You won't admit it... but everyone gets a McDonalds burger once in awhile

Box Score Vs Game

 

 

The score was 14-13 until 5:03 in the 3rd Q. We ended up winning by 29.

Box Score Vs Game

 

 

The score was 14-13 until 5:03 in the 3rd Q. We ended up winning by 29.

 

I was there & it certainly didn't feel like we would ever take control of that game. We scored a couple more & we decided to go grab dinner & drinks at Fenway to get away from the BC crowd. I watched the score keep going up & plan to watch the game via tv tonight. Up til this very moment, I'm still scratching my head as to this team's identity. Obviously they're a run team, but the run just doesn't seem dominant. The runs by BW that I witnessed were seemingly, results of broken plays & weak defense. I'm not confident that a better than avg team will allow this, nor do I feel you can continue like this through the season unless the o-line truly becomes confident & dominant

I was there & it certainly didn't feel like we would ever take control of that game. We scored a couple more & we decided to go grab dinner & drinks at Fenway to get away from the BC crowd. I watched the score keep going up & plan to watch the game via tv tonight. Up til this very moment, I'm still scratching my head as to this team's identity. Obviously they're a run team, but the run just doesn't seem dominant. The runs by BW that I witnessed were seemingly, results of broken plays & weak defense. I'm not confident that a better than avg team will allow this, nor do I feel you can continue like this through the season unless the o-line truly becomes confident & dominant

 

It was clear we are a running team, It took 2.66 games to do it though so I wouldn't hold my breath, I would like to see a full game committing to the run while using our talented RB as opposed to running adams to death.

Yes we killed BC in the 2nd half. But the offensive formula we used beating BC is not sustainable against quality competition. The QB scrambles wont work against faster defenses, and we cant expect multiple 60+ yard runs. Not to mention the most talented players still are not seeing the field enough.

 

Dexter Williams - Should at least be the RB2 with at least 10-12 carries a game. Adams is going to breakdown at his current pace which is a disservice to his pro career and the team.

Kevin Stepherson - Should be the WR2 but is mysteriously suspended (not by the NCAA or Notre Dame apparently).

CJ Sanders - Should be returning punts and starting as the slot WR.

Chase Claypool- Should be playing more than a couple snaps a game, although I dont think Wimbush can get him the ball

Tevon Coney - Should be a starting LB. Had 13 tackles yesterday while splitting reps w Martini.

Shaun Crawford - Should be a starting corner rather than nickel corner. Shouldnt come off the field on D.

 

I am sure im missing others but these are the glaring personnel issues imo

-the lack of playing time for dexter Williams has me completely baffled, he's clearly the #2 rb on the team but yet he gets almost no playing time.

-stepherson is probably NDs #2 wr but not sure wimbush can throw him the ball.

-also baffled about cj sanders also, last year he was so difficult to deal with in the slot and on punt returns. it's shocking that he only touches the ball on kickoffs.

I was the one who started the "Wimbush Isn't That Good" thread so I guess I'll chime in

 

Weaver already brought up the fact that the score was 14-13 with only 5:03 left in the 3rd

 

So here's the thing; even when we started "dominating" you can just look at those plays and see that the team just "out-athleted" BC.

 

One play in particular still sticks out in my mind. It was a run-pass option going to the strong side I believe. Wimbush runs right at their star DE/LB guy and he underestimates Wimbush's speed and Wimbush runs by him and proceeds to run 50+ yards for the score

 

While that's awesome, he won't be able to do that vs. the athletes on USC and Stanford (Feeling a bit better about MSU after seeing their play so far this year). We saw what Wimbush and the RB's did (or didn't do) against a good defense (Georgia's next game vs Miss St. will show us what kind of defense Georgia really has)

 

Particularly as the season goes on, even teams with "lesser athletes" can scheme around your QB's running ability.

 

If your QB/Offense isn't smart and can't pass, the running game will only take you so far.

 

If I was UNC's, NC State's, Wake Forest's, Navy's, or Miami's DC, I would load the box and contain Wimbush and force him to beat us with his arm.

 

The reason why I'm still pessimistic even after a 29 point win with 500+ yards rushing is the fact that Wimush is only at a 50% completion percentage for the year and it's actually getting worse (only three games sure, but a trend is starting)

Edited September 18, 20177 yr by Franco