http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/20580851/conference-realignment-leveled-field-notre-dame

 

Discuss.

When is the last time Penn St. won a title?

 

Michigan? Nebraska? Tennessee?

 

I just don't see what playing in a conference would matter. They get talent, they just haven't developed it. ND, in my opinion, isn't far off what Clemson was last year talent wise. They just have had bad coaching. Being in a conference doesn't change that.

 

ND will win again when they get a top tier coaching staff and get a few back to back top 5 classes, or a Heisman type QB. When will that happen? Who knows, but it will eventually.

There's only one thing that matters. And that's getting the right coach. Nothing else matters. Conference re-alignment, recruiting, where your school is located, prestige, the style of play you run, or whatever. Just look at who's won the championship the last ten years. Meyer, Saban, Swinney, Carroll, Brown, and Tressel. We get a great coach we win. That simple.

What a cvnty hit piece built on a weak premise. It's all about the coaching, that's it. I actually wouldn't care if ND joined a conference, but this article was just an excuse to **** on ND.

What a cvnty hit piece built on a weak premise. It's all about the coaching, that's it. I actually wouldn't care if ND joined a conference, but this article was just an excuse to **** on ND.

Wow, we agree on something. Actually everything you wrote I agree with.

ESPN----nuff said

 

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There's only one thing that matters. And that's getting the right coach. Nothing else matters. Conference re-alignment, recruiting, where your school is located, prestige, the style of play you run, or whatever. Just look at who's won the championship the last ten years. Meyer, Saban, Swinney, Carroll, Brown, and Tressel. We get a great coach we win. That simple.

 

But ND can't hire a great coach because you can't win big here. It's that simple. Urban said no. Stoops said no. About 20 coaches said no before Weis finally said yes.

 

No one wants to coach here. What great coach would say yes? And can you blame them?

Edited September 8, 20177 yr by Handsome Jack

When is the last time Penn St. won a title?

 

Michigan? Nebraska? Tennessee?

 

I just don't see what playing in a conference would matter. They get talent, they just haven't developed it. ND, in my opinion, isn't far off what Clemson was last year talent wise. They just have had bad coaching. Being in a conference doesn't change that.

 

ND will win again when they get a top tier coaching staff and get a few back to back top 5 classes, or a Heisman type QB. When will that happen? Who knows, but it will eventually.

 

ND is nowhere close to Clemson defensively. Offensively, yes.

But ND can't hire a great coach because you can't win big here. It's that simple. Urban said no. Stoops said no. About 20 coaches said no before Weis finally said yes.

 

No one wants to coach here. What great coach would say yes? And can you blame them?

 

Who needs facts when you can state opinions and then make things up in order to back your opinions up?!?

Who needs facts when you can state opinions and then make things up in order to back your opinions up?!?

 

What am I making up? What great coach has ND been able to hire since Holtz? And that hire was over 30 years ago. Urban did say no....twice. Stoops did say no before the Kelly hire. I exaggerated on the Weis hire. I guess he was the 12th guy they pursued and he said yes. I mean, you had second and third tier guys like Gary Barnett and Jeff Tedford publicly declaring they had no interest in the job. They couldn't even hire O'Leary without screwing it up.

 

They can't hire a great coach and havent since Lou was run off.

But ND can't hire a great coach because you can't win big here. It's that simple. Urban said no. Stoops said no. About 20 coaches said no before Weis finally said yes.

 

No one wants to coach here. What great coach would say yes? And can you blame them?

 

This is just silly talk. You know it is reciprocal with coaches. There's three or four really good coaches every 5-6 years that are capable of winning championships. ND is just on a time clock like all the other big time programs. What was Alabama for thirty years? Ohio St? Michigan? Georgia? All were just ok until they got their coach. It's highlighted even more at ND because we are used to winning a natty every 7 years or so. We finally hit a rough patch like everyone else and are waiting for that coach again

 

Also, some coach is going to want to be a god and bring ND back to its glory. It's natural ego for those guys. I don't know a coach that wouldn't be for it.

Who needs facts when you can state opinions and then make things up in order to back your opinions up?!?

 

Hand Job with his typical idiocy.

ND is nowhere close to Clemson defensively. Offensively, yes.

 

Right, because of coaching, not talent.

 

Clemson had 1 5* player on defense last season.

 

This season, ND has more 4* players on the roster than Clemson does.

 

Coaching is the difference, not raw talent.

What am I making up? What great coach has ND been able to hire since Holtz? And that hire was over 30 years ago. Urban did say no....twice. Stoops did say no before the Kelly hire. I exaggerated on the Weis hire. I guess he was the 12th guy they pursued and he said yes. I mean, you had second and third tier guys like Gary Barnett and Jeff Tedford publicly declaring they had no interest in the job. They couldn't even hire O'Leary without screwing it up.

 

They can't hire a great coach and havent since Lou was run off.

 

Teams whiff all the time hiring coaches, sometimes for decades. Alabama hired 4 duds before Saban and only got Saban because he turned out to not be a very good NFL coach. Oklahoma had 10-11 years off .500 football in between Switzer and Stoops. USC had a 13 year losing streak to ND, one that started when Gerry Faust was head coach. Blueblood programs go through peaks and valleys all the time throughout the history of college football.

 

Not only that, but your argument is ND can't hire a great coach because Urban said no? In what world does that logic follow? Now you may be right and ND will never be great again, but nothing you have done or said has gotten anywhere close to proving it. This "Urban said no so ND must stink" fallacy you keep pushing is nonsense, especially when you attempt to throw Stoops in there. For a guy that pretends to know what the powers that be are thinking and have thought, one would think you would at least know that Stoops wanted to come, but his wife did not want to move to South Bend.

I think there is a ton of validity to the article. That fact of the matter is, before conferences became as powerful as they are now ND had the most exposure of ANY TEAM in the country. That is no longer the case. Every team is viewed nationwide now. All highlights are at our fingertips.

 

Notre Dame used to get the pick of the litter. That is no longer the case. For that reason, we may not attract the best coaches anymore. This is not rocket science. You simply cannot deny that the landscape of college football has changed. It's harder to win at ND than it used to be.

 

The main point of the article is to say that ND is not THE national team anymore, its one of many. This is absolutely true and I honestly believe this is partly due to ND no longer cornering the media market.

 

My grandfather was a member of the 43 championship team and was Leahy's statistician while working for the university for quite some time. He used to talk about ND being the ONLY team that people could listen to on the radio and see on TV. It was ND and the Yankees. Now South Florida gets as much airtime as the Irish.

Notre Dame's abysmal coaching hires have been what hurt ND most.

Notre Dame's abysmal coaching hires have been what hurt ND most.

 

100% agree. Until Nick Saban, Meyer or Swinney fail at ND, I'll believe coaching is the biggest issue.

 

http://247sports.com/Season/2015-Football/CollegeTeamTalentComposite

 

This shows overall recruited talent on the team each of the last 3 seasons. ND has been in the top 10 each year. They are the same as Clemson. No reason they can't perform on the field, other than having a terrible DC and Strength coach. If Clemson can win a title with the exact same talent as ND, why can't ND win one eventually?

100% agree. Until Nick Saban, Meyer or Swinney fail at ND, I'll believe coaching is the biggest issue.

 

http://247sports.com/Season/2015-Football/CollegeTeamTalentComposite

 

This shows overall recruited talent on the team each of the last 3 seasons. ND has been in the top 10 each year. They are the same as Clemson. No reason they can't perform on the field, other than having a terrible DC and Strength coach. If Clemson can win a title with the exact same talent as ND, why can't ND win one eventually?

 

Because you have to play school at ND?

Teams whiff all the time hiring coaches, sometimes for decades. Alabama hired 4 duds before Saban and only got Saban because he turned out to not be a very good NFL coach. Oklahoma had 10-11 years off .500 football in between Switzer and Stoops. USC had a 13 year losing streak to ND, one that started when Gerry Faust was head coach. Blueblood programs go through peaks and valleys all the time throughout the history of college football.

 

Not only that, but your argument is ND can't hire a great coach because Urban said no? In what world does that logic follow? Now you may be right and ND will never be great again, but nothing you have done or said has gotten anywhere close to proving it. This "Urban said no so ND must stink" fallacy you keep pushing is nonsense, especially when you attempt to throw Stoops in there. For a guy that pretends to know what the powers that be are thinking and have thought, one would think you would at least know that Stoops wanted to come, but his wife did not want to move to South Bend.

 

Although Saban didnt fare well in the NFL, Bama also knew they were hiring a coach who was able to win a title while coaching in the SEC. We cant say the same.

I think there is a ton of validity to the article. That fact of the matter is, before conferences became as powerful as they are now ND had the most exposure of ANY TEAM in the country. That is no longer the case. Every team is viewed nationwide now. All highlights are at our fingertips.

 

Notre Dame used to get the pick of the litter. That is no longer the case. For that reason, we may not attract the best coaches anymore. This is not rocket science. You simply cannot deny that the landscape of college football has changed. It's harder to win at ND than it used to be.

 

The main point of the article is to say that ND is not THE national team anymore, its one of many. This is absolutely true and I honestly believe this is partly due to ND no longer cornering the media market.

 

My grandfather was a member of the 43 championship team and was Leahy's statistician while working for the university for quite some time. He used to talk about ND being the ONLY team that people could listen to on the radio and see on TV. It was ND and the Yankees. Now South Florida gets as much airtime as the Irish.

 

Nobody is claiming ND is the marquee program in CF. This was an unprovoked hit piece, written solely to get clicks. You could argue the conferences have turned what was an amateur sport into something semi professional.

Notre Dame's abysmal coaching hires have been what hurt ND most.

 

And they even say that in the article. Maisel is a b1tch.