Former ND linebacker suing ND as a result of injuries. Claims ND hid his MRI results during the 2015 season and told him he could continue to play, despite feeling numbness in his extremities. As a result, he has permanent damage. In 2016, he was given a medical hardship, but he stayed on scholarship and served as a student assistant (which seems odd considering what he is alleging).

 

http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/20610618/former-notre-dame-fighting-irish-player-douglas-randolph-suing-university-allegedly-concealing-mri-results

If it was 'Bama, they would have pulled his scholarship.

Look, I think players should be compensated in some ways they aren't. So I don't have a problem with guys trying to get money. But I have an issue with the way he's going about it. Because any man is capable of making the decision himself.

 

It's at best a misdiagnosis and at worst something far more nefarious. But other guys have walked, I can't imagine he would have been kicked out of school for walking. Look at Daniel cage this year.

Look, I think players should be compensated in some ways they aren't. So I don't have a problem with guys trying to get money. But I have an issue with the way he's going about it. Because any man is capable of making the decision himself.

 

It's at best a misdiagnosis and at worst something far more nefarious. But other guys have walked, I can't imagine he would have been kicked out of school for walking. Look at Daniel cage this year.

 

Football players are just like any other students and WILL be treated as such, according to the University of Notre Dame.

 

These are student athletes participating in an athletic event.

Edited September 7, 20177 yr by Handsome Jack

From my knot hole the team has been very hesitant to player that are injured or could hurt them more.

 

Did Doug play for KLM or something in the bowl. I forget. He never was a big contributor but maybe he was always held back by injury.

 

I had a neck injury my whole Senior year of high school. I couldn't lift my right arm over my head and every time I made a tackle from one side my right arm would go numb. I wanted to play but also didn't know really to tell someone, expecting it to just go away.

 

I am 100% positive ND didn't push him to play knowing he was injured. I do believe this is another spot light on what football does to kids bodies.

Edited September 7, 20177 yr by Domer Dude

From my know hole the team has been very hesitant to player that are injured or could hurt them more.

 

Did Doug play for KLM or something in the bowl. I forget. He never was a big contributor but maybe he was always held back by injury.

 

I had a neck injury my whole Senior year of high school. I couldn't lift my right arm over my head and every time I made a tackle from one side my right arm would go numb. I wanted to play but also didn't know really to tell someone, expecting it to just go away.

 

I am 100% positive ND didn't push him to play knowing he was injured. I do believe this is another spot light on what football does to kids bodies.

 

I don't think so.

Shhhh I require silence as I hammer another nail in BK's coffin....

Shhhh I require silence as I hammer another nail in BK's coffin....

 

 

How much longer are we stuck with him? 1 month? 2 months? 3 months?

Football players are just like any other students and WILL be treated as such, according to the University of Notre Dame.

 

These are student athletes participating in an athletic event.

 

Ok. What? Not sure I understand what you're trying to say. Are you trying to repudiate my contention about compensating players? This is my opinion and not an indictment on notre dame, but the system of collegiate football as a whole.

How much longer are we stuck with him? 1 month? 2 months? 3 months?

 

He's fu(king done if there is any truth to this...thank God.....lol

Info from our little sister site

 

"Here is where I call BS-

 

from an ISD article back in the day:

 

"Not only are Randolph's parents both doctors, but so are his brother and sister.

 

Will he follow suit?

 

"I'm not sure yet," he laughed. "I've got a lot of time to think about it."

 

You're going to tell me that not one of them asked to see the MRI report or the scans themself?!?!?

 

I'm a physician, and my wife once had a seizure, which lead to an MRI, and a diagnosis of a benign brain tumor. You can bet I read the MRI report, talked to the radiologist, and looked at the scans. Ditto when my son with Migraines had an MRI of his brain.

 

I think I remember someone in the family was an orthopedist. You're telling me that a family of physicians had a son/brother who suffered an injury, lost feeling in an extremity, underwent an MRI, and no one called the radiologist or asked to see the report or the scan?

 

Makes me wonder. Plus I'm not sure where ND stood to benefit from lying to him, it's not like they stood to benefit from all of his play.

 

And shouldn't the orthopedic surgeon who ordered the MRI relay the results from the radiologist directly to Doug and not the coach? This seems so suspect. I can't imagine a radiologist or orthopedic surgeon would tell ND he has this problem and needs to medically retire. Then hear about him still playing and not say anything... this seems so squirrelly."

He's fu(king done if there is any truth to this...thank God.....lol

 

This potentially has zero to do with BK unless there is blatant info that BK knew about it and/or told someone to conceal it. It would be on the medical and training staff. Depending on the reading of the MRI this most likely boils down to he said she said and competing experts.

Exactly right Domer Dude.

 

 

I talked to one of our orthopedic spine docs and they don't think anything will come this. It really just depends on his condition from the first MRI.

 

But if he has parents that are docs then they know how the system works too...

 

I don't see how Kelly will be blamed for this one. He listens to his medical staff on who's a go or not. I can't see him overriding his medical staff just to get Randolph and his career 6 tackles or whatever he had, into the game.

Exactly right Domer Dude.

 

 

I talked to one of our orthopedic spine docs and they don't think anything will come this. It really just depends on his condition from the first MRI.

 

But if he has parents that are docs then they know how the system works too...

 

I don't see how Kelly will be blamed for this one. He listens to his medical staff on who's a go or not. I can't see him overriding his medical staff just to get Randolph and his career 6 tackles or whatever he had, into the game.

 

Yeah, I agree. Also, as stated in the article, he claimed to have upper extremity numbness then in the game had numbness in all extremities. That's a major change because those symptoms are not related to the same affected area of the spine. The leg numbness would indicate something different from the prior cervical MRI, assuming he did not have an entire spinal MRI. Typically with upper extremity tingling/numbness it would just be a cervical MRI. I'd be interested to see the MRIs and whether it appears to be years of trauma or potentially congenital.

If what he says is true... the Shaolin and the Wu-Tang could be dangerous.

This potentially has zero to do with BK unless there is blatant info that BK knew about it and/or told someone to conceal it. It would be on the medical and training staff. Depending on the reading of the MRI this most likely boils down to he said she said and competing experts.

 

He's named in the lawsuit. Guess we will see...

 

I have a hard time believing the med folks lied to the HC about a player's MRI results...

He's named in the lawsuit. Guess we will see...

 

I have a hard time believing the med folks lied to the HC about a player's MRI results...

 

True, but I also have a hard time believing everyone would put their careers on the line for a career back up. Jaylon Smith, maybe. This guy? Seems odd.

He's named in the lawsuit. Guess we will see...

 

I have a hard time believing the med folks lied to the HC about a player's MRI results...

 

It's not a matter of lying. It's if the docs believe he had a herniated disc or stenosis PRIOR to his second MRI.

 

My personal opinion is he probably had a little stenosis on his first MRI but nothing causing constant numbness(what a lot of people deal with daily). The docs gave him an evaluation, he didn't have loss of strength, they said, you have the bone getting getting closer to the nerve, you can play, it may get worse, it may stay the same, but it's YOUR choice on if you want to take that chance. Right now you are fine, but later on down the road, you'll probably need surgery. 1 year to 5 years or 20. Your neck is already bad, but you can live with it on an everyday occasion. I'm sure he consulted with his family and he chose to go forward.

 

As for the numbness down the legs, I didn't read that. That's a completely different area. He would had needed an MRI of his lumbar.

 

BIG- your last sentence of your last post is dead on accurate.

He's named in the lawsuit. Guess we will see...

 

I have a hard time believing the med folks lied to the HC about a player's MRI results...

 

That's typical though. Sometimes John/Jane Doe I-X is named because they are or may be under an organization. It would have to be blatant that the doctor told BK there were serious problems and BK didn't care. It's still on the doctor not to go above and beyond BK but that scenario would involve BK. Anything else is probably moot for BK.

 

I would agree with your second comment. Obviously I don't know what the doctor felt about his MRI results but I would bet it's going to be competing opinions that the ND docs felt it was minor or not career threatening as opposed to the current doctor that is reviewing it. The new doctor reviewing it is probably saying that ND should have known and concealed it which isn't necessarily true if they had a differing opinion and didn't feel it was severe at that time.

Edited September 7, 20177 yr by Big23Head

That's typical though. Sometimes John/Jane Doe I-X is named because they are or may be under an organization. It would have to be blatant that the doctor told BK there were serious problems and BK didn't care. It's still on the doctor not to go above and beyond BK but that scenario would involve BK. Anything else is probably moot for BK.

 

I would agree with your second comment. Obviously I don't know what the doctor felt about his MRI results but I would bet it's going to be competing opinions that the ND docs felt it was minor or not career threatening as opposed to the current doctor that is reviewing it. The new doctor reviewing it is probably saying that ND should have known and concealed it which isn't necessarily true if they had a differing opinion and didn't feel it was severe at that time.

 

Except the things he's being sued for are explicitly laid out in the suit....so this isn't a guilt by association type situation. If he didn't do anything wrong then he has nothing to worry about.

Except the things he's being sued for are explicitly laid out in the suit....so this isn't a guilt by association type situation. If he didn't do anything wrong then he has nothing to worry about.

 

As an attorney, you pretty much name every possible person at fault in the initial suit. I would be shocked if his name wasnt included in a suit.