Recruiting questions

[coltssb]

How many hours does a coach have a week to contact recruits? Is it like the video games where you got 40 hours.

 

Who monitors that? And how can you really?

 

Can a coach only talk to a potential recruit for an x amount of mins/hours a day/week?

 

Once a coach does have a recruit locked up, how often does he stay in contact with him? Everyday? Depends on the star rating?

 

Do coaches know who is about to flip? If it's a guy flipping away from ND, does BK get a heads up? When does BK and coaches know it's over and to stop recruiting? Do kids just flat out say stop recruiting me?

 

Always been intringued with behind the scenes.

 

Thanks

[LasVegasIrish]

How many hours does a coach have a week to contact recruits? Is it like the video games where you got 40 hours.

 

Who monitors that? And how can you really?

 

Can a coach only talk to a potential recruit for an x amount of mins/hours a day/week?

 

Once a coach does have a recruit locked up, how often does he stay in contact with him? Everyday? Depends on the star rating?

 

Do coaches know who is about to flip? If it's a guy flipping away from ND, does BK get a heads up? When does BK and coaches know it's over and to stop recruiting? Do kids just flat out say stop recruiting me?

 

Always been intringued with behind the scenes.

 

Thanks

 

Depends on the time of year and the recruits age.

 

Every school has NCAA compliance representatives and administrators in each department that help record and monitor everything. In reality, you monitor yourself and it's a trust system, but information on phone calls, contacts/evaluations, and visits are sent to the compliance office for review.

 

Once a recruit is committed, as long as he/she is in her junior year of schooling contacts/evaluations become less strict.

 

Usually coaches are not blind-sided, but it happens. Lenzy is a good example. The staff offered 2 WR recruits the day he flipped to Oregon. They were informed before it went public, and they knew about his visit to Oregon and his desire to run track. It didn't come as a surprise.

 

I work at a Division 1 school and my job handles a lot of these questions you asked, just for reference.

[davislove]

I may have some type of Autism or something. I need clear definitions and less subjectivity.

 

Example. I think LV is generally an upbeat guy and I think he'd rather speak on a recruits positive traits rather than his negative. BigHead tends to just stick to reporting.

 

All that is fine but I'd like to see what the board thinks about adopting our own rating system. For instance.

 

Recruits/current players on roster

 

5*:Impact players Starts first year/All American First rounder.

 

4*:Could play if depth chart works out/Returning starter unchallenged.

 

3*:Good tools but need some work/Solid backup, not starter material.

 

2*:Project,limited ability/Most likely 4 and out, no RS.

 

1*:Warm body/Forgot they were on the team.

 

Just a rough draft that can be tweaked. I'd just like to know if a person thinks Miles Boykins is "good". Does "Good" mean a 3 or 4 in their opinion.

 

I use the term stud alot but what does that mean. I see people use elite and don't hold it to the same level which I do.

 

I feel like it would clear things up.

[LasVegasIrish]

I may have some type of Autism or something. I need clear definitions and less subjectivity.

 

Example. I think LV is generally an upbeat guy and I think he'd rather speak on a recruits positive traits rather than his negative. BigHead tends to just stick to reporting.

 

All that is fine but I'd like to see what the board thinks about adopting our own rating system. For instance.

 

Recruits/current players on roster

 

5*:Impact players Starts first year/All American First rounder.

 

4*:Could play if depth chart works out/Returning starter unchallenged.

 

3*:Good tools but need some work/Solid backup, not starter material.

 

2*:Project,limited ability/Most likely 4 and out, no RS.

 

1*:Warm body/Forgot they were on the team.

 

Just a rough draft that can be tweaked. I'd just like to know if a person thinks Miles Boykins is "good". Does "Good" mean a 3 or 4 in their opinion.

 

I use the term stud alot but what does that mean. I see people use elite and don't hold it to the same level which I do.

 

I feel like it would clear things up.

 

Just to clarify before I get into my response to your proposal...I'm fine talking weaknesses about players, but I'm not gonna rip them or be a negative fan like some are. It's just not my nature.

 

 

I can start doing that for every recruit if you and others would like. Just depends on interest.

 

I'll start with what we have right now for the 2018 class as a rough draft type of thing.

 

5* - Derrik Allen, Jack Lamb (All-American/First Round/Non need based instant impacts)

 

4* - Shayne Simon, Jayson Ademilola, John Dirksen, Phil Jurkovec (Future starters/early contributors if needed)

 

3* - Ja'Mion Franklin, Ovie Oghoufo, Markese Stepp, Matthew Bauer, George Takacs, Justin Ademilola, Jahmir Smith (Should redshirt/starter upside/definitely rotational level guys)

 

2* Micah Jones, Cole Mabry (More than a warm body/won't see field until upperclassmen/backups)

[JoeBrasco]

Just to clarify before I get into my response to your proposal...I'm fine talking weaknesses about players, but I'm not gonna rip them or be a negative fan like some are. It's just not my nature.

 

 

I can start doing that for every recruit if you and others would like. Just depends on interest.

 

I'll start with what we have right now for the 2018 class as a rough draft type of thing.

 

5* - Derrik Allen, Jack Lamb (All-American/First Round/Non need based instant impacts)

 

4* - Shayne Simon, Jayson Ademilola, John Dirksen, Phil Jurkovec (Future starters/early contributors if needed)

 

3* - Ja'Mion Franklin, Ovie Oghoufo, Markese Stepp, Matthew Bauer, George Takacs, Justin Ademilola, Jahmir Smith (Should redshirt/starter upside/definitely rotational level guys)

 

2* Micah Jones, Cole Mabry (More than a warm body/won't see field until upperclassmen/backups)

 

Interesting to see you have Dirksen with that group.

[TexasDomer]

I may have some type of Autism or something. I need clear definitions and less subjectivity.

 

Example. I think LV is generally an upbeat guy and I think he'd rather speak on a recruits positive traits rather than his negative. BigHead tends to just stick to reporting.

 

All that is fine but I'd like to see what the board thinks about adopting our own rating system. For instance.

 

Recruits/current players on roster

 

5*:Impact players Starts first year/All American First rounder.

 

4*:Could play if depth chart works out/Returning starter unchallenged.

 

3*:Good tools but need some work/Solid backup, not starter material.

 

2*:Project,limited ability/Most likely 4 and out, no RS.

 

1*:Warm body/Forgot they were on the team.

 

Just a rough draft that can be tweaked. I'd just like to know if a person thinks Miles Boykins is "good". Does "Good" mean a 3 or 4 in their opinion.

 

I use the term stud alot but what does that mean. I see people use elite and don't hold it to the same level which I do.

 

I feel like it would clear things up.

 

While we are clearly able to comment on recruits, in an era where recruits themselves are online probably more than us, how do you think they would feel about Notre Dame fans labeling them anything lower than 4 before they stepped on campus? For example, if you are, say, George Takacs, and you see that the fans aren't too excited to have you on the team, and you are thought of as a 3, might you look around for someplace where the fans want you?

 

Not trying to be a wet blanket, but I don't think it's TOO wise to create something that could discourage recruits or anyone considering their offer to ND.

[coltssb]

While we are clearly able to comment on recruits, in an era where recruits themselves are online probably more than us, how do you think they would feel about Notre Dame fans labeling them anything lower than 4 before they stepped on campus? For example, if you are, say, George Takacs, and you see that the fans aren't too excited to have you on the team, and you are thought of as a 3, might you look around for someplace where the fans want you?

 

Not trying to be a wet blanket, but I don't think it's TOO wise to create something that could discourage recruits or anyone considering their offer to ND.

 

This was my first thought as well. TOO MUCH info for kids to get and see. And the way they are now, a simple fansaying he's less than a 5 might discourage some. I love the thought though.

 

Vegas, sorry, I have to ask again. Say a kid like Winbush(since he's already on the team) had committed and is a highly regarded recruit. Did ND call him daily to show him love? Or Did they have to ration it out to other kids that week? Or was it simply a text saying I saw your game last night. Good game! Etc..

[LasVegasIrish]

This was my first thought as well. TOO MUCH info for kids to get and see. And the way they are now, a simple fansaying he's less than a 5 might discourage some. I love the thought though.

 

Vegas, sorry, I have to ask again. Say a kid like Winbush(since he's already on the team) had committed and is a highly regarded recruit. Did ND call him daily to show him love? Or Did they have to ration it out to other kids that week? Or was it simply a text saying I saw your game last night. Good game! Etc..

 

All depends on the coach and player. I think they try to focus on the kids they feel really want that kinda attention and so on. They text back and forth with all of them, but it's not necessarily about their recruitment process and games.

 

Honestly, more pressure is put on recruits to make a decision than people realize as well. Texting a kid and telling him he has a short window to decide if he wants in is very common.

[davislove]

Just to clarify before I get into my response to your proposal...I'm fine talking weaknesses about players, but I'm not gonna rip them or be a negative fan like some are. It's just not my nature.

 

 

I can start doing that for every recruit if you and others would like. Just depends on interest.

 

I'll start with what we have right now for the 2018 class as a rough draft type of thing.

 

5* - Derrik Allen, Jack Lamb (All-American/First Round/Non need based instant impacts)

 

4* - Shayne Simon, Jayson Ademilola, John Dirksen, Phil Jurkovec (Future starters/early contributors if needed)

 

3* - Ja'Mion Franklin, Ovie Oghoufo, Markese Stepp, Matthew Bauer, George Takacs, Justin Ademilola, Jahmir Smith (Should redshirt/starter upside/definitely rotational level guys)

 

2* Micah Jones, Cole Mabry (More than a warm body/won't see field until upperclassmen/backups)

 

I wasn't trying to say you wasn't critical, you just don't beat them over the head.

 

The rating example i used. It was for both kids we were recruiting and the guys currently on the team. Before the backslash definition/ was for recruits. Behind the backslash/ was a definition for guys currently on the team.

[davislove]

While we are clearly able to comment on recruits, in an era where recruits themselves are online probably more than us, how do you think they would feel about Notre Dame fans labeling them anything lower than 4 before they stepped on campus? For example, if you are, say, George Takacs, and you see that the fans aren't too excited to have you on the team, and you are thought of as a 3, might you look around for someplace where the fans want you?

 

Not trying to be a wet blanket, but I don't think it's TOO wise to create something that could discourage recruits or anyone considering their offer to ND.

 

No. That's not the point. It's for us to have clear definitions so you know what i mean if i say the kid is a stud. In my mind stud and elite are not the same.

 

Takacs is coming to ND, a school with 2 stud tight ends just ahead of him and also my take another tight end this class. I don't think he's that insecure.

 

I can't imagine a recruit caring about what we say.

[TexasDomer]

And depending on the recruit, I can totally believe a recruit might like to know what the fanbase says about him, particularly if he's getting recruited by others.

 

Look, (player X), we want you to come to our school. Notre Dame fans think you're just a backup role player.

 

Some, not all, recruits might have egos to match talent.

[davislove]

And depending on the recruit, I can totally believe a recruit might like to know what the fanbase says about him, particularly if he's getting recruited by others.

 

Look, (player X), we want you to come to our school. Notre Dame fans think you're just a backup role player.

 

Some, not all, recruits might have egos to match talent.

 

 

Funny it doesn't seem to work the other way. There are a lot of recruits we gush over but it didn't sway them to come aboard.

[LasVegasIrish]

I wasn't trying to say you wasn't critical, you just don't beat them over the head.

 

The rating example i used. It was for both kids we were recruiting and the guys currently on the team. Before the backslash definition/ was for recruits. Behind the backslash/ was a definition for guys currently on the team.

 

I probably keep it about the same

[coltssb]

Funny it doesn't seem to work the other way. There are a lot of recruits we gush over but it didn't sway them to come aboard.

 

Think about yourself for a moment. If you were good and knew it, and had a ton of people clamoring for you, and then you have a select few who say, nah, he's a three star caliber player. A bench player, I'm sure you would probably say f you. Remember, these kids are different then our generation. They live in he social media world, they love the attention.

[goirish83]

Think about yourself for a moment. If you were good and knew it, and had a ton of people clamoring for you, and then you have a select few who say, nah, he's a three star caliber player. A bench player, I'm sure you would probably say f you. Remember, these kids are different then our generation. They live in he social media world, they love the attention.

 

I just don't buy it, do you think I'm going to let some random dudes on a message board directly impact my decision? I don't think a single thing posted on this board has affected 1 single recruit

[coltssb]

I just don't buy it, do you think I'm going to let some random dudes on a message board directly impact my decision? I don't think a single thing posted on this board has affected 1 single recruit

 

You could be right. Then again, I'm not 18 and have a twitter feed, Snapchat, or Instagram.

[davislove]

Think about yourself for a moment. If you were good and knew it, and had a ton of people clamoring for you, and then you have a select few who say, nah, he's a three star caliber player. A bench player, I'm sure you would probably say f you. Remember, these kids are different then our generation. They live in he social media world, they love the attention.

 

We can change the wording. It's not really about the kids. It's about us. (Sorry to keep tossing your name around) If LV says a kid is good, should i expect this kid to start next year or does it mean he can help us down the road. I'm just wired differently and this would help me understand various opinions.

 

I wouldn't want kids that are that sensitive. This would be nothing compared to what tom rees and bruce heggie got. Do yourself a favor a check out will fullers commit thread. I don't think this bothers anyone. What if the kid is a 3 star on the recruiting sites but many here have him as a 4?