ND most important players 2017

[LasVegasIrish 0]

https://goldendomerdaily.com/notre-dames-fifteen-most-important-players-in-2017-11-15-8163410567a0

 

https://goldendomerdaily.com/notre-dames-fifteen-most-important-players-in-2017-6-10-d8bf56757a2d

 

https://goldendomerdaily.com/notre-dames-fifteen-most-important-players-1-5-9842ce2e4a47

 

Take a look and let's discuss!

[OklahomaIrish 0]

Hey Vegas, I really appreciate this.

This time of year I am studying personnel and anything I get is important. I can't wait for the first practice and the new stats on weight gains. Heck, about 6 of these guys got taller according to a story a few months ago. That seldom happens.

 

I'm very interested in Tranquill. I wrote about him early when he was a Purdue commit and predicted he would be a great linebacker at Notre Dame. He has suffered so much with the ACL injuries but now is his time to shine. this defense has to make some plays behind the line of scrimmage. With Elko and putting these guys in position to be successful I think it might be a special year. Tranquill is critical if that is to happen. Thanks for the thread.

[LasVegasIrish 0]

No problem Okie. Follow this site for articles if you are interested. I write for them as well

[Irish_Convert 1]

I may have put Julian Love in the top fifteen because CB has been something of an inconsistent unit recently but I agree with pretty much every selection. If all these guys can take it to another level, we could be in for a fun season.

[LasVegasIrish 0]

I may have put Julian Love in the top fifteen because CB has been something of an inconsistent unit recently but I agree with pretty much every selection. If all these guys can take it to another level, we could be in for a fun season.

 

Yeah, it was really tough to narrow down the top 15. I wanted to put Love in as well. The whole staff wrote their top 15 and we figured out the averages from there. He's definitely important. Thanks for reading!

[KamaraPolice 0]

So, like every thread here that attempts to be a discussion, this will certainly become a full-blown bitch fest of complaining.

 

With that said, I like this list. I think Shaun Crawford and nick Watkins coming back will upgrade the secondary. Along the front seven, drue tranquill looks like the biggest beneficiary of the coaching change. I like the kid far more than most notre dame fans.

 

Bilal, I'll be clear this time - not saying he's jaylon smith - I'm saying he's the closest athletically we've had since jaylon, albeit not at jaylons level. The thing about bilal is I've read he just doesn't have the football instincts. Do you suspect he just got lost in the complex nuances of bvg's defense? Could the new, simplified defense allow him to use his skill set better? I've heard people call him soft and I scoff at that. Asmar Bilal can hit. Thinking of him coming off the edge and destroying a qb for a quick change fumble can alter a game.

 

Along the dline i agree about Tilley. He's been young, but hasn't lived up to his hype yet. If he can add power from balis's program and be a dominate force, the defense will really come along. Jay Hayes - again, not saying he's an NFL draft pick, but he has NFL talent. We didn't see it last year, he has two more years of eligibility and if he can work his way into being the NFL player he's capable of, the defense will be all the better for it.

 

Elijah Taylor, mdt, Brandon tiassum - all guys that have seeming been forgot about. Have they been passed over? Any word on any of these guys? I seem to recall one of them flashing at camp last August before getting hurt (mdt?); just more hyperbole from kelly?

 

Offense is interesting - I think esb should be higher, I think he'll be a young qb's escape outlet (how many plays are we going to see this year where wimbush goes oh ****! and throws one up for grabs for esb to get).

 

Mack is another huge addition we didn't have last year. A lot of exciting receivers.

 

How about this for oline - I read a recent NFL.com article naming the top 10 offense lineman in the country at all class levels. Mcglinchey was #5 and Nelson was #1. Have to imagine right tackle is in good hands between the better of Liam and Tommy playing in year 2. So the question is mark is mustipher and bars.

 

Wimbush and his decision making will have a lot to do with how successful the season is. He has the strongest arm of any nd qb I've ever seen. He's going to make some spectacular plays. I just hope he limits the spectacular mistakes inexperienced qbs tend to make.

 

Great site vegas. I love reading it.

[KamaraPolice 0]

Hey Vegas, I really appreciate this.

This time of year I am studying personnel and anything I get is important. I can't wait for the first practice and the new stats on weight gains. Heck, about 6 of these guys got taller according to a story a few months ago. That seldom happens.

 

I'm very interested in Tranquill. I wrote about him early when he was a Purdue commit and predicted he would be a great linebacker at Notre Dame. He has suffered so much with the ACL injuries but now is his time to shine. this defense has to make some plays behind the line of scrimmage. With Elko and putting these guys in position to be successful I think it might be a special year. Tranquill is critical if that is to happen. Thanks for the thread.

 

Okie you get a lot of grief, but I recall how much you have loved how tranquil plays. There is something about his instincts. He's fast and is a football player through and through. Maybe his aggression worked against him playing in the secondary. I think being able to play downhill is utilizing his strengths much better. He's not the biggest guy or a big thumper, but he's tough and he's going to bring it. Seeing him fly around and being a disruptor gets me excited for the season.

[LasVegasIrish 0]

Tranquill and Bilal should be a really effective duo at ROVER.

 

Thanks for the kind words KP

[VCDomer 75]

Tranquill and Bilal should be a really effective duo at ROVER.

 

Thanks for the kind words KP

 

I have high hopes for Tranquill as well after the season he had last year. He was out of position so many times last year and whiffed on so many tackles it became painful to watch. Maybe this is the answer for him. I have always felt he could deliver the Harrison Smith type of blow.

[ELDER06 248]

Wimbush

D.Hayes

Love

McGlinchey

Adams

 

My top 5. Obviously Wimbush is the most important, but if Hayes can give the Defense a moderate pass rush, that changes the entire complexion of the Defense.

[LasVegasIrish 0]

Interior talent and depth is not great right now. If Tillery produces that will in turn help guys like Hayes. That's why he is so high. He needs to be good

[Irish_Convert 1]

Interior talent and depth is not great right now. If Tillery produces that will in turn help guys like Hayes. That's why he is so high. He needs to be good

 

Yeah, interior depth is a concern particularly later in the season when younger kids start to wear down because they're not used to the grind lasting into November/December or sometimes January. Most seniors and juniors are used to the grind but freshmen and sophomores are mostly still adjusting.

[ndomer4 532]

Can't argue with the list at all or even the honorable mentions, but I am surprised that Bilal is not even an honorable mention.

 

He's too big and too fast to not have a role on this defense, I'm not sure where he will be exactly but I think we'll see him lots. Really he could play either in Greer's, Coney's and Tranquill's spot and arguably be better there than either of them.

 

He might be good in the middle too but I love Nyles and he might be our best defender, he's in for an all american type season.

[davislove 0]

I don't feel josh adams is that important. He's a good player but if he got hurt would it have a big effect on the offense.

[Irish_Convert 1]

I don't feel josh adams is that important. He's a good player but if he got hurt would it have a big effect on the offense.

 

It wouldn't be a good thing to lose Adams but we do have options in the running game, no pun intended. Wimbush, Dexter, Tony Jones and Holmes are all viable options and all can split the workload. Even though Holmes is a freshman, RB is one of the easiest positions to adapt to at the college level.

[davislove 0]

It wouldn't be a good thing to lose Adams but we do have options in the running game, no pun intended. Wimbush, Dexter, Tony Jones and Holmes are all viable options and all can split the workload. Even though Holmes is a freshman, RB is one of the easiest positions to adapt to at the college level.

 

That's my point. Under bk we just need a running back to keep the defense honest. Barry sanders is not needed.

[ndomer4 532]

The reason Adams is important is because he's our biggest home run threat. Losing the ability to score from a run anywhere on the field will hurt.

 

Williams could be that guy as Well but Adams has some of the longest runs in ND history the last two years.

 

His ypc is stupid, especially in 15 so maybe he works better in a committee like he did with prosise. Therefore Williams becomes pretty important as well.

Edited July 31, 2017 by ndomer4

[AtLeastMySisWasIrish 0]

Nice summary and will throw Elijah Taylor in as my guy I'm hoping has a breakout season. Injuries have dogged him but if he can stay healthy and if memory serves correct, he's always been credited for having great strength which is what our DLine needs to free up the LB's to make plays. I just don't trust Tillery and while he's got the talent needed and hope I'm wrong about him, Taylor seems to fit the mold of a plug and occupy tackle. And good to see you back Okie and here's to your preseason prognostications! Here's to a fun season and Go Irish!

[LasVegasIrish 0]

Nice summary and will throw Elijah Taylor in as my guy I'm hoping has a breakout season. Injuries have dogged him but if he can stay healthy and if memory serves correct, he's always been credited for having great strength which is what our DLine needs to free up the LB's to make plays. I just don't trust Tillery and while he's got the talent needed and hope I'm wrong about him, Taylor seems to fit the mold of a plug and occupy tackle. And good to see you back Okie and here's to your preseason prognostications! Here's to a fun season and Go Irish!

 

Taylor could fill a major need if healthy. Still finding his way back from off-season surgery. Definitely has the talent, now just needs to stay on the field.

[davislove 0]

Whats the deal with Bonner?

 

Is it just me or does he look like a kid who was not athletic enough to play on the end and was blown up to be an interior linemen. His weight dont look natural.

 

I don't know. That's been bugging me for a while now.

[ndomer4 532]

Whats the deal with Bonner?

 

Is it just me or does he look like a kid who was not athletic enough to play on the end and was blown up to be an interior linemen. His weight dont look natural.

 

I don't know. That's been bugging me for a while now.

 

That's exactly what it looks like to me. I get the sense he puts alot of work in and trains hard but is probably not the most gifted athlete out there.

 

I think he'll be a solid rotational player like Schwenke or something similar, maybe a best case scenario where he has a senior year like KLM.

[Frankus 210]

I think the most important players are who are going to be the interior defenive linemen. This is the weakest interior d line position group in the Kelly era and perhaps the post Holtz era. If teams can run at will up the middle, we're in for a long year.

Edited August 1, 2017 by Frankus

[davislove 0]

I think the most important players are who are going to be the interior defenive linemen. This is the weakest interior d line position group in the Kelly era and perhaps the post Holtz era. If teams can run at will up the middle, we're in for a long year.

 

I agree the interior is weak. To me it seems like that should be one of the easiest positions to play. Be big be strong.

 

I guess the good thing is teams that pound the ball like Stanford and Michigan State never really punish us up the middle. We get crushed when teams hurry up and are guys don't know where to line up.

[Frankus 210]

I agree the interior is weak. To me it seems like that should be one of the easiest positions to play. Be big be strong.

 

I guess the good thing is teams that pound the ball like Stanford and Michigan State never really punish us up the middle. We get crushed when teams hurry up and are guys don't know where to line up.

 

Really?

 

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Really?

 

 

I seem to remember that white guy running all day on us with that jet sweep. Anytime they needed a first down, jet sweep. You can't make up the incompetence of our defensive coaching some games.