Frankus 210 Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 The one thing that strikes is that none of his attacking includes down linemen stunting. Everybody, linemen and linebackers, goes full bore ahead. Our D linemen for the past three years have been doing a ton of half a$$ed stunts that never got there. In the Lab: Elko on 3rd Down Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
echo88 74 Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 The one thing that strikes is that none of his attacking includes down linemen stunting. Everybody, linemen and linebackers, goes full bore ahead. Our D linemen for the past three years have been doing a ton of half a$$ed stunts that never got there. In the Lab: Elko on 3rd Down Yeah I remember hearing this when Tenuta took over. I only care about results. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frankus 210 Posted June 29, 2017 Author Share Posted June 29, 2017 (edited) Yeah I remember hearing this when Tenuta took over. I only care about results. I hear you. I think Tenuta did a lot more blitzes by a defensive back covering the slot receiver than Elko will do. I don't know whether Tenuta did that as aprt of his scheme or because Mo Crum was weak. Morgn is a much better atlhete than Crum.. I think one of the concerns is explosiveness of the down linemen. You have to get penetration quickly for this scheme to work. I also think they need another explosive guy at inside linebacker to go along with Morgan. I don't see Martini being that kind of player. We'll see. The last thing is needing a safety that won't miss when they bring linebacker pressure and the opposing O runs through an open gap. Jalen Elliot missed a tackle in this very scenario early in the spring game and Josh Adams was off to the races. Edited June 29, 2017 by Frankus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jessemoore97 1,476 Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 The one thing that strikes is that none of his attacking includes down linemen stunting. Everybody, linemen and linebackers, goes full bore ahead. Our D linemen for the past three years have been doing a ton of half a$$ed stunts that never got there. In the Lab: Elko on 3rd Down Let's not forget our DL dropping into coverage... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
echo88 74 Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 I hear you. I think Tenuta did a lot more blitzes by a defensive back covering the slot receiver than Elko will do. I don't know whether Tenuta did that as aprt of his scheme or because Mo Crum was weak. Morgn is a much better atlhete than Crum.. I think one of the concerns is explosiveness of the down linemen. You have to get penetration quickly for this scheme to work. I also think they need another explosive guy at inside linebacker to go along with Morgan. I don't see Martini being that kind of player. We'll see. The last thing is needing a safety that won't miss when they bring linebacker pressure and the opposing O runs through an open gap. Jalen Elliot missed a tackle in this very scenario early in the spring game and Josh Adams was off to the races. Yes he did. Obviously Tenuta fell under a different coaching era, but it's still the same. HC brings in new coaches and claims all will be well, when in fact its the HC who needs to be replaced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ELDER06 248 Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 Yes he did. Obviously Tenuta fell under a different coaching era, but it's still the same. HC brings in new coaches and claims all will be well, when in fact its the HC who needs to be replaced. JFC, again? Give it a rest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goirish83 0 Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 Yeah I remember hearing this when Tenuta took over. I only care about results. Wow you are a ball of fun these days Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Handsome Jack 0 Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 Wow you are a ball of fun these days In our last 14 games, we have lost 10 of them. How do you want him to be? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ELDER06 248 Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 Wow you are a ball of fun these days Brian Kelly invented cancer- Echo 88 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
echo88 74 Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 Brian Kelly invented cancer- Echo 88 certainly keeps it going.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Officer Tim McCarthy 5 Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 Hindsight is 20-20 but this is still hilarious https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/rogergroves/2016/09/05/despite-opening-game-loss-notre-dame-is-national-championship-material/amp/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
echo88 74 Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 JFC, again? Give it a rest Cinci sucks...we get it.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ELDER06 248 Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 Cinci sucks...we get it.... Brian Kelly is funding ISIS- Echo 88 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ELDER06 248 Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 Brian Kelly gave me AIDS- Echo 88 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
echo88 74 Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 Brian Kelly gave me AIDS- Echo 88 He may not have given it to you, but he will certainly tell you why screwing other guys from Elder earned it..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FaithInIrish Forever 5,568 Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 Hd basically makes it look like alot are coming and usually drops enough that there's still viable coverage. He rarely sends more then 5 the beauty of it is he mixes which 5 and they are not critical coverage people most times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frankus 210 Posted June 30, 2017 Author Share Posted June 30, 2017 (edited) This thread could have been a discussion about why people were skeptical, or optimistic based on understanding the scheme from the article and ND's personnel. There are questions about personnel, but those questions-and who may be in the mix to make it work or not- are at least more interesting than these ad homenum attacks. The other problem with a new scheme is understanding and executing discipline to stay in lanes. That lack of discipline, along with personnel like John Ryan and Mo Crum-likeable guys but not elite defenders- is why Tenuta's scheme didn't do well. Do we have enough explosive defenders and will they be disciplined enough to make it work? We'll see. But it is interesting to examine change, or at least it could be if there was more good faith in addressing the particular elements that make it work or not. Edited June 30, 2017 by Frankus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frankus 210 Posted June 30, 2017 Author Share Posted June 30, 2017 Let's not forget our DL dropping into coverage... Agreed. It was a very predictible, unexplosive ineffective use of personnel. In fact, I'd say it is Exhibit A of how not to use your personnel effectively. I can't tell you how often I'd see Sheldon Day- one of the most explosive penetration linemen we've had in a long time- dropping back in coverage and just shake my head at the sheer stupidity of it. It never fooled QB's and neutralized our best pass rusher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coltssb 1,123 Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 I would add to the fact that it seemed that they tried to fit square pegs into round holes to make their system work. Your example: John Ryan. Didn't have the right personal, and yet we kept putting guys into key positions that would had never played those positions if they were on another team. It wasn't as bad with BVG in that regard, but I think he was still very stubborn on his playcalling and its lingo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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