FaithInIrish Forever 5,568 Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">All about how much the Irish Defense can improve with new DC. Offense with Wimbush will be nasty! Brandon is gonna have a HUGE year! <a href="https://t.co/sHPiYwrZwY">https://t.co/sHPiYwrZwY</a></p>— Kirk Herbstreit (@KirkHerbstreit) <a href=" ">June 22, 2017</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frankus 210 Posted June 24, 2017 Share Posted June 24, 2017 The thing about Wimbush is that he can run as well as pass, which is why Ohio State wanted him. However, given that ND has the equivalent of an inexperienced Tommy Rees behind Wimbush as backup-and a true frosh after him- how much are they going to run Wimbush and risk injury? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
echo88 74 Posted June 24, 2017 Share Posted June 24, 2017 (edited) The thing about Wimbush is that he can run as well as pass, which is why Ohio State wanted him. However, given that ND has the equivalent of an inexperienced Tommy Rees behind Wimbush as backup-and a true frosh after him- how much are they going to run Wimbush and risk injury? I was feeling nostalgic so I watched a 35 minute recap of the 2012 season. EG was a machine before the QB swami sunk his talons in and coaching trumped raw talent. Wimbush is still green enough to be used in the same way and this is the year that we will probably see the most promising results from him..... It's really nice to hear someone from outside the program give him attention though.... Edited June 24, 2017 by echo88 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frankus 210 Posted June 24, 2017 Share Posted June 24, 2017 I was feeling nostalgic so I watched a 35 minute recap of the 2012 season. EG was a machine before the QB swami sunk his talons in and coaching trumped raw talent. I remember Golson stuggling early against Purdue/Michigan-when Rees bailed him out- and gradually getting better. He played great against Pitt where imo he won that game. He was also one of the bright spots in the NC game as I recall. In the end, he didn't have enough speed to be a dual threat and wasn't a good enough passer to be great. Should be interesting seeing what Wimbush can do. The one thing that stands out game wise is his fumble in the Pitt game in 2015 that was returned for a TD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
echo88 74 Posted June 24, 2017 Share Posted June 24, 2017 I remember Golson stuggling early against Purdue/Michigan-when Rees bailed him out- and gradually getting better. He played great against Pitt where imo he won that game. He was also one of the bright spots in the NC game as I recall. In the end, he didn't have enough speed to be a dual threat and wasn't a good enough passer to be great. Should be interesting seeing what Wimbush can do. The one thing that stands out game wise is his fumble in the Pitt game in 2015 that was returned for a TD. Oh there's no doubt he struggled at times, but that's just from being an underclassman I think. Still saw glimpses that season that we never really saw again... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corysold 0 Posted June 24, 2017 Share Posted June 24, 2017 (edited) I remember Golson stuggling early against Purdue/Michigan-when Rees bailed him out- and gradually getting better. He played great against Pitt where imo he won that game. He was also one of the bright spots in the NC game as I recall. In the end, he didn't have enough speed to be a dual threat and wasn't a good enough passer to be great. Should be interesting seeing what Wimbush can do. The one thing that stands out game wise is his fumble in the Pitt game in 2015 that was returned for a TD. I think he was a good enough passer arm wise, he was just too short to be a pocket passer, which Kelly tried to make him for some reason. Pitt was a great example of what he could have been. He struggled early, but was amazing in the 4th quarter playing sandlot football. He was at his best freelancing, but Kelly tried to keep him contained for some unknown reason. Arizona St. might have been the defining Golson game. Terrible early, giving the ball away all over the place, showing everything that was bad about him being a pocket passer. Then he goes sandlot, scores 35 in a row or something to get them back in the game, followed by a drop/int by a WR to seal the game. Wimbush is a bit taller and thicker in stature. From what I've seen, his arm strength is equal to that of Golson. Hopefully he can take care of the ball and lean on the run game, with a some rollout/play action stuff to the TE's. ND really should have an amazing offense this year. Here's hoping Kelly keep his hands off it and allows Long to utilize players to their potential. Edited June 24, 2017 by corysold Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FaithInIrish Forever 5,568 Posted June 25, 2017 Author Share Posted June 25, 2017 I think he was a good enough passer arm wise, he was just too short to be a pocket passer, which Kelly tried to make him for some reason. Pitt was a great example of what he could have been. He struggled early, but was amazing in the 4th quarter playing sandlot football. He was at his best freelancing, but Kelly tried to keep him contained for some unknown reason. Arizona St. might have been the defining Golson game. Terrible early, giving the ball away all over the place, showing everything that was bad about him being a pocket passer. Then he goes sandlot, scores 35 in a row or something to get them back in the game, followed by a drop/int by a WR to seal the game. Wimbush is a bit taller and thicker in stature. From what I've seen, his arm strength is equal to that of Golson. Hopefully he can take care of the ball and lean on the run game, with a some rollout/play action stuff to the TE's. ND really should have an amazing offense this year. Here's hoping Kelly keep his hands off it and allows Long to utilize players to their potential. As you said Wimbush being a bit taller offers him better vision in the pocket. I also think Wimbush is a little faster where Golson was more move to see and throw. Faster means he will keep it more to run then risk throwing it in traffic-I hope --provided he doesn't injured. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frankus 210 Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 I also think Wimbush is a little faster where Golson was more move to see and throw. Faster means he will keep it more to run then risk throwing it in traffic-I hope --provided he doesn't injured. If Wimbush is truly a Deshaun Watson type, ND needs to roll the dice and let him run imo. I hope Kelly's stystem doesn't shackle him if he's got talent to improvise and run for long gains and chain moving gains like Watson did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FaithInIrish Forever 5,568 Posted June 25, 2017 Author Share Posted June 25, 2017 If Wimbush is truly a Deshaun Watson type, ND needs to roll the dice and let him run imo. I hope Kelly's stystem doesn't shackle him if he's got talent to improvise and run for long gains and chain moving gains like Watson did. Agreed. Wimbush could be. The physical traits are all there. Now time will tell with the intangibles. He wanted to run in the spring game. I think he will in season as well. Watson seemed to know when to do both or neither, so that skill is what we'll need to see from Wimbush- decision making under pressure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frankus 210 Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 Agreed. Wimbush could be. The physical traits are all there. Now time will tell with the intangibles. He wanted to run in the spring game. I think he will in season as well. Watson seemed to know when to do both or neither, so that skill is what we'll need to see from Wimbush- decision making under pressure. And this assumes that Kelly's system won't shackle him into indecision. Will Kelly change and let Wimbush's athleticism overcome the system? We'll see. This is a parody of Kelly's post game press conferences from ndnation, but I think it rings true: Kelly: "Well, I'll tell ya. It really wasn't anything they did differently on defense. We knew they were going to get good push up front and send people behind that. We just didn't execute down the stretch well enough to win the game. We made mistakes with our blitz pick-up and blocking and they also showed us a couple of looks with the safeties that kinda fooled Brandon cuz he didn't make the check down he's supposed to make in those situations. That's what led, y'know, to the intentional grounding call as well as the second interception in the corner of the endzone during the final series. And look, Brandon's a smart player. He knows that. We'll sit down with him and take a look at the film and address it in practice. Brandon's got things to work on. He knows that. Listen, this is a process. A brand new QB has gotta progress within our system and get up the learning curve to a level where we know he's gotta perform. That's what puts us in a position to win. Checking the safety coverage and knowing his primary and secondary, y'know, based on the reads and looks he's getting, is all part of that. I've been doing this a long time and it's really a team game when it comes down to it, y'know? If we want to win tight games like that, then everyone has to play better down the stretch, not just Brandon Wimbush. Everyone has to cover their responsibilities and make the plays. That's on the offensive line, the defense, the special teams and the coaches. But at the end of the day, y'know it's about executing the plays on the field that put us in a position to win the game. It's about everyone being accountable. Our guys didn't do that down the stretch and Dinkydoo U took advantage." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FaithInIrish Forever 5,568 Posted June 25, 2017 Author Share Posted June 25, 2017 Players make plays so coaches don't have to sound like that. Spot on parody that was cool. But it will be up to Wimbush. Tahj Boyd wasn't Watson either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frankus 210 Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 Players make plays so coaches don't have to sound like that. Spot on parody that was cool. But it will be up to Wimbush.. Will it really be up to Wimbush? That's my whole point. If he's got Watson like skills the system could shackle them by overcoaching and overthinking everything. If he's like Watson they'll let him float around and make plays. We'll see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FaithInIrish Forever 5,568 Posted June 25, 2017 Author Share Posted June 25, 2017 Will it really be up to Wimbush? That's my whole point. If he's got Watson like skills the system could shackle them by overcoaching and overthinking everything. If he's like Watson they'll let him float around and make plays. We'll see. He'll have the ball so yes ultimately its up to him. Coaches get too much credit and too much blame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frankus 210 Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 He'll have the ball so yes ultimately its up to him. Coaches get too much credit and too much blame. I think taking the system out of the equation is simple minded. The system has to emphasize the player's talents. Good coaches adjust the system to the players, not vice-versa. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FaithInIrish Forever 5,568 Posted June 25, 2017 Author Share Posted June 25, 2017 (edited) I think taking the system out of the equation is simple minded. The system has to emphasize the player's talents. Good coaches adjust the system to the players, not vice-versa. To me, Systems aren't that much different from school to school. Urban's better at coaching the spread but he also had Tim Tebow to kinda raise his profile. Higher profile and more success better recruits etc. Let's say Wimbush is that transcendent player. Does he allow Kelly to take the next step as a coach? I'm not sure. I know Cullen Finnerty changed the future of Martin /less so Kelly - may Cullen Finnerty rest in peace Edited June 25, 2017 by FaithInIrishForever Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frankus 210 Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 To me, Systems aren't that much different from school to school. You don't think USC's system is much different from Ohio State's? I think you're wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FaithInIrish Forever 5,568 Posted June 25, 2017 Author Share Posted June 25, 2017 You don't think USC's system is much different from Ohio State's? I think you're wrong. Wimbush won't be running USC's system. But they run quite a bit of Shotgun as well with their "Pro style" offense that is becoming more spread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VCDomer 75 Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 We can't expect anything but the unexpected from our coach when it comes to QB development. It's not a coincidence that he is not considered an elite coach anymore. In fact, he barely had a sniff at that after his tenure with Bearcats and ND in 2012. He has been an embarrassment to this program. I think Wimbush will do fine if BK stays far away from him. Wimbush does not strike me as a pocket passer and I hope the offense is not designed to make him one. I would prefer we stop recruiting these dual threat guys and do actually design an offense and recruit a QB to run a pro style offense. It is my belief that we willl not sniff the playoffs until we do and until we rid ourselves of the real cancer on the team. And a big finger to the moderator who deleted my original post. Communist! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeBrasco 0 Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 I was feeling nostalgic so I watched a 35 minute recap of the 2012 season. EG was a machine before the QB swami sunk his talons in and coaching trumped raw talent. Wimbush is still green enough to be used in the same way and this is the year that we will probably see the most promising results from him..... It's really nice to hear someone from outside the program give him attention though.... Golson was never going to be a great quarterback. He didn't do much at FSU even when surrounded by more talent than was at ND. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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