davislove Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 I forget all the guys that have left in the past year. None appeared to be impact players but still. Out of an 85 man roster how many good players do you need to be a successful program? What shocks me now is how many kids transfer before they even found a landing spot. Is Spencer Perry holding out for spot on Bama's roster? Was he pusher out? Justin Brent. God bless him but he may be the poster boy for why ND is stagnating. Here's a smart, charismatic, athletic kid that tics all the boxes for a recruit. Except passion for the game. Correct me if I'm wrong but he graduated ND in 3 years. That's hard to do especially if you are putting in the work at football. We get too many kids that don't love football. I hope that changes as the new guys evaluate future recruits. I think he's in China now. Can't be too upset that he used football instead of the reverse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LasVegasIrish Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 I forget all the guys that have left in the past year. None appeared to be impact players but still. Out of an 85 man roster how many good players do you need to be a successful program? What shocks me now is how many kids transfer before they even found a landing spot. Is Spencer Perry holding out for spot on Bama's roster? Was he pusher out? Justin Brent. God bless him but he may be the poster boy for why ND is stagnating. Here's a smart, charismatic, athletic kid that tics all the boxes for a recruit. Except passion for the game. Correct me if I'm wrong but he graduated ND in 3 years. That's hard to do especially if you are putting in the work at football. We get too many kids that don't love football. I hope that changes as the new guys evaluate future recruits. I think he's in China now. Can't be too upset that he used football instead of the reverse. Perry wasn't pushed out, but he's certainly not waiting for a spot on Bama's roster. I'd be shocked if he came close to that. I was reading some stuff and many thought he shouldn't be offered to begin with. Mainly a 3* by school reputation. I never really attempted to study his film, so I'm not expert here. Just what I've heard around the web. He was very low on the Irish depth chart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davislove Posted June 10, 2017 Author Share Posted June 10, 2017 Perry wasn't pushed out, but he's certainly not waiting for a spot on Bama's roster. I'd be shocked if he came close to that. I was reading some stuff and many thought he shouldn't be offered to begin with. Mainly a 3* by school reputation. I never really attempted to study his film, so I'm not expert here. Just what I've heard around the web. He was very low on the Irish depth chart I was just joking about bama. I wonder if he's looking for a team with an open spot in the 2 deep. I think he should go the barajas route and play fcs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FaithInIrish Forever Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 to me the Offensive line moves were Depth chart related Both Parker B and Hoge saw younger guys then them move up quicker in Hainsey and Banks and and it probably didn't sit well. All the new receivers saw opportunity. If Finke got time you would figure they would too. Safety knew he would be in the 2 deep soon. Barajas probably saw too many linebackers in front of him as well. I like changes in the roster. Allows some spots to open where it didn't workout and also gives the guy who leaves a fresh start Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LasVegasIrish Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 I was just joking about bama. I wonder if he's looking for a team with an open spot in the 2 deep. I think he should go the barajas route and play fcs. Gotcha. My guess is one of the schools in Georgia. Most likely GT or Georgia Southern. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim2Dokes Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 When your best recruits are o-lineman it is tough to lose these guys for depth or future starters. These guys made the recruiting classes respectable, tough to see what these classes would be ranked without the likes of Hoge or Parker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LasVegasIrish Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 When your best recruits are o-lineman it is tough to lose these guys for depth or future starters. These guys made the recruiting classes respectable, tough to see what these classes would be ranked without the likes of Hoge or Parker I try not to look at this way because recruiting is so fluid. ND would have probably gone after other guys and landed others if these two weren't in the class. I never got the impression Parker a crazy good player though, and most recruiting websites had him properly ranked imo. Liked him as a depth guy, but it became clear he wasn't a top notch OL recruit the later the process went. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frankus Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 The main difference is in the past for offensive linemen-they would stay and get their degree and then do a 5th year somewhere else. Hoge and Boudreaux didn't have their degree and bailed early. I don't ever remember two highly regarded ND linemen leave this early in the same year. If some of the other knowledgeable posters who know ND football history can point to another time when this happened I'd be interested in knowing. Perhaps back in the era before there were scholarship limits Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jersey Irish Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 The main difference is in the past for offensive linemen-they would stay and get their degree and then do a 5th year somewhere else. Hoge and Boudreaux didn't have their degree and bailed early. I don't ever remember two highly regarded ND linemen leave this early in the same year. If some of the other knowledgeable posters who know ND football history can point to another time when this happened I'd be interested in knowing. Perhaps back in the era before there were scholarship limits That's a good point Frankus. But it seems like transferring for whatever reason is in full mode across the college landscape these days. This is an inordinate number of transfers for ND this year but they have gotten two grad transfers and now the Navy safety so they are at 84 schollies, only one short of the max number of 85. Not bad! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KamaraPolice Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 I disagree Frankus. Vegas is right, Parker wasn't what some people thought and even though I liked Hoge, he was coming from small little Idaho. I don't care if they were both 5 star recruits, the fact is they couldn't make it on the field. The only way this makes any difference at all is if we lose more than mcglinchey and Nelson on the oline after this year. Then it hurts depth. These two weren't getting on the field in 2018 either and by 2019 it's potentially hainsey, banks, kraemer and eichenberg. I'd rather hope for a miracle and get Nelson back for 2018. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim2Dokes Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 I try not to look at this way because recruiting is so fluid. ND would have probably gone after other guys and landed others if these two weren't in the class. I never got the impression Parker a crazy good player though, and most recruiting websites had him properly ranked imo. Liked him as a depth guy, but it became clear he wasn't a top notch OL recruit the later the process went. Yeah, you follow recruiting a lot more than I do so you would know more. It is just frustrating to me to see 4 star recruits go, not like they are lining out the door. But, I guess if we are going to lose them, oline is the place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corysold Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 I disagree Frankus. Vegas is right, Parker wasn't what some people thought and even though I liked Hoge, he was coming from small little Idaho. I don't care if they were both 5 star recruits, the fact is they couldn't make it on the field. The only way this makes any difference at all is if we lose more than mcglinchey and Nelson on the oline after this year. Then it hurts depth. These two weren't getting on the field in 2018 either and by 2019 it's potentially hainsey, banks, kraemer and eichenberg. I'd rather hope for a miracle and get Nelson back for 2018. Where was Parker a 5* recruit? His 247 composite has him as a 3*, 397th best player in the class. That decent, but hardly someone you assume will be an elite college OL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LasVegasIrish Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 Where was Parker a 5* recruit? His 247 composite has him as a 3*, 397th best player in the class. That decent, but hardly someone you assume will be an elite college OL. I don't think he was calling them 5* recruits. Just stating if they were his opinion wouldn't change much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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