Elko reminds me(diagram)

[FaithInIrish Forever 5,569]

Elko reminds me of when Lou and Barry Alvarez ran the 50 defense.

 

a 50 is a 5 man front that was an early version of what became the 3-4.

 

whats always cool about it is the fast smaller guy coming of the edge into the backfield

 

 

Elko has brought this back essientially because option football is back.

 

The man on the end is fast enough to contain the QB on the read option, carry a tight end or slot for a short distance in pass coverage, or be one more unexpected body in the box to disrupt a play in the backfield.

 

Things change but its also remarkable how scheme's from the past get brought back when they are useful again.

[SpeedsterX 751]

Let's hope he finds as much success as Lou had with it as well!! :thumb:

[FaithInIrish Forever 5,569]

From what I read the 50 is getting to be a pretty popular choice in defending the spread, guys like Aranda and Elko run versions of it.

 

 

While not perfect I'm sure, it makes alot of sense if we can't seem to recruit huge pass rushers.

 

Not saying this is an answer because players determine how good a defense is but I can see why Kelly would want Elko to install it,

[KamaraPolice 0]

I love what you do for this site faith. You bring so much notre dame history and football knowledge together.

 

You should have a weekly column

[Jersey Irish 207]

I love what you do for this site faith. You bring so much notre dame history and football knowledge together.

 

You should have a weekly column

 

Second that!!

[Irish_Convert 1]

Different defensive formations are cyclical and have been for awhile, going back to when both the NFL and NCAA made offenses more pass happy after being a run heavy game for decades. That's partially because offensive systems are cyclical as well. When an offensive system becomes dominant, defenses are tweaked to counter it and vice versa.

 

The only way to keep on top of it is to follow trends and tweak your systems as necessary.

[FaithInIrish Forever 5,569]

I love what you do for this site faith. You bring so much notre dame history and football knowledge together.

 

You should have a weekly column

 

thanks guys. I just knew I had seen these defensive alignments before and finally put my finger on where and had a "I know where" type moment

[FaithInIrish Forever 5,569]

Different defensive formations are cyclical and have been for awhile, going back to when both the NFL and NCAA made offenses more pass happy after being a run heavy game for decades. That's partially because offensive systems are cyclical as well. When an offensive system becomes dominant, defenses are tweaked to counter it and vice versa.

 

The only way to keep on top of it is to follow trends and tweak your systems as necessary.

 

Very correct only a limited number of ways to put 22 guys on a football field. I just enjoy following the trends.

[Jim2Dokes 3]

I don't know if this impacts things with this scheme, but looking at next years schedule it appears that we play majority pro-style offenses.

[FaithInIrish Forever 5,569]

I don't know if this impacts things with this scheme, but looking at next years schedule it appears that we play majority pro-style offenses.

 

While pro-style probably means a bit less option. Pro-style these days still means alot of shotgun and receivers out there. So I still like the pass rush combinations you can get from a stand up player on the end.

 

Like you said when they run power, we'll have to see how we fill gaps. If that's when you see a Bilal at Rover.

 

Elko left that position with at least three options in his presser.

 

Linebacker Bilal

Safety- Tranquill

Corner- hinted at Crawford

 

 

So he would go matchup: If they wanted to run alot they'd get Bilal

Most downs: Tranquill

Pure Coverage or speed attack Crawford

 

I can tell you for Lou he wanted fast guys out there even if they gave up some size. Elko has shown that at Wake too. But then again he didn't have 4 star huge players. So we'll see.

Edited May 15, 2017 by FaithInIrishForever

[Wharton70 93]

thanks guys. I just knew I had seen these defensive alignments before and finally put my finger on where and had a "I know where" type moment

 

As Convert said, cyclical. I remember reading Leahy's book on defense & wondering if his 5 man front would work in this era - the answer is yes, in response to what the offense is trying to do. Back then it was mandated by one platoon football not allowing for the specialists to be freely substituted, and the heavy run orientation. I would be surprised if closer examination would not

reveal more similarities than differences. As the French say, the more things change, the more they remain the same. Thanks for the topic, Faith - top notch as usual.

[FaithInIrish Forever 5,569]

As Convert said, cyclical. I remember reading Leahy's book on defense & wondering if his 5 man front would work in this era - the answer is yes, in response to what the offense is trying to do. Back then it was mandated by one platoon football not allowing for the specialists to be freely substituted, and the heavy run orientation. I would be surprised if closer examination would not

reveal more similarities than differences. As the French say, the more things change, the more they remain the same. Thanks for the topic, Faith - top notch as usual.

 

Yeah, one platoon football sounds a lot like the intent behind modern fast tempo offense-to limit substitutions.

 

I'm gonna hafta read Leahy's book. I love history and sports.