JTennant 290 Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 Really getting sick of promoting this guy via social media.. Ever since he got here through two years ago his offensive lines have performed poorly and lacked communication skills... The past two years have been mediocre at best while not being able to push around inferior defenses.. I'm done ranting. I saw some B/S promo on ND media/youtube and couldn't even bring myself to watch it. Going to go home and remove the bug up my ***. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FaithInIrish Forever 5,570 Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 We've had a few good lines and tackles, (Martin, Stanley) but overall I'd like to see more consistency myself. Hopefully the strength and conditioning will help us get better push. <iframe src="https://www.facebook.com/plugins/video.php?href=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2FNDFootball%2Fvideos%2F1538231762873031%2F&show_text=0&width=280" width="280" height="167" style="border:none;overflow:hidden" scrolling="no" frameborder="0" allowTransparency="true" allowFullScreen="true"></iframe> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tneun89 1,118 Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 I generally agree that the OL has not been as dominant as they should be given how well ND has recruited, especially last season, but I wouldn't call the OL in 2015 mediocre. ND averaged 208.3 rushing yards per game, which is the highest in the BK era and the highest since 2000 (they averaged 213.5 yards per game). Again, I agree that they lacked consistency - only rushing for 111 yards against Clemson and 121 against OSU (although they were down early against both) - but they performed very well in 2015. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irishwavend 706 Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 Really getting sick of promoting this guy via social media.. Ever since he got here through two years ago his offensive lines have performed poorly and lacked communication skills... The past two years have been mediocre at best while not being able to push around inferior defenses.. I'm done ranting. I saw some B/S promo on ND media/youtube and couldn't even bring myself to watch it. Going to go home and remove the bug up my ***. This was every previous progeam's gripe about him. It's our turn now... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
echo88 74 Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 This was every previous progeam's gripe about him. It's our turn now... Ahhhh the backlash that was faced from our posters after he was badmouthed when he was hired.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FaithInIrish Forever 5,570 Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 Ahhhh the backlash that was faced from our posters after he was badmouthed when he was hired.... Well you and I were probably on different sides of that. I want to see how Balis(who worked for Meyer) effects this. Its True Ohio State has us by a yard per rush per year(ours start with 4's their's with 5's) Their's (Ohio State's) started with 4's before Meyer was Hired. So is the Cause Warinner or Strength and Conditioning Is ours Hiestand or Longo? Our lines were good 2 out of 5 years? OSU I would say 5 out of 5 So it will be interesting to see what the Balis effect proves to be Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EddieAngel 603 Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 Is ours Hiestand or Longo? I am curious about that as well. With a hopefully improved S&C program we should know very quickly whether these guys are learning good technique and scheme. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Fence 175 Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 I still say when you run the ball in 2nd and long 96.73545% of the time and the entire stadium knows it, there are 8-10 plays per game where we have no gain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndomer4 532 Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 I generally agree that the OL has not been as dominant as they should be given how well ND has recruited, especially last season, but I wouldn't call the OL in 2015 mediocre. ND averaged 208.3 rushing yards per game, which is the highest in the BK era and the highest since 2000 (they averaged 213.5 yards per game). Again, I agree that they lacked consistency - only rushing for 111 yards against Clemson and 121 against OSU (although they were down early against both) - but they performed very well in 2015. Agree, 2016 was totally unacceptable though. I actually have been happy with the line in 12,13,15 but 14 and 16 were huge failures. We have recruited so well there should never be a down year with that unit. Other than 12 and 15 we have not run blocked well enough, although our pass pro in 13 was nearly flawless. I'm not sure if the whole zone blocking is what messed up our run game since I'm a db by trade so one of you with knowledge of it should chime in there. Who knows if the strength program was to blame for a bit of last year. Regardless if we perform anywhere near last season on the o line then it is time for Harry to pack his bags. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTennant 290 Posted February 21, 2017 Author Share Posted February 21, 2017 Well you and I were probably on different sides of that. I want to see how Balis(who worked for Meyer) effects this. Its True Ohio State has us by a yard per rush per year(ours start with 4's their's with 5's) Their's (Ohio State's) started with 4's before Meyer was Hired. So is the Cause Warinner or Strength and Conditioning Is ours Hiestand or Longo? Our lines were good 2 out of 5 years? OSU I would say 5 out of 5 So it will be interesting to see what the Balis effect proves to be The year OSU won the title their line played like absolute dog crap in week 1 and 2 and they figured out a way to get that turned around. Meyer makes great adjustments when someone or something isn't working. Brian Kelly keeps trying to force a square peg in a round hole. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTennant 290 Posted February 21, 2017 Author Share Posted February 21, 2017 I generally agree that the OL has not been as dominant as they should be given how well ND has recruited, especially last season, but I wouldn't call the OL in 2015 mediocre. ND averaged 208.3 rushing yards per game, which is the highest in the BK era and the highest since 2000 (they averaged 213.5 yards per game). Again, I agree that they lacked consistency - only rushing for 111 yards against Clemson and 121 against OSU (although they were down early against both) - but they performed very well in 2015. You can talk about rushing averages all you want(because a lot of those are garbage yards shutting out games), but my eye test doesn't care about that. When I watch lineman miss 2nd level blocks and get whooped on by Rice and Temple lineman, I feel embarrassed for our players.. They are big name high school recruits and deserve a better opportunity when they go up against 2* recruits. You have to be able to get it done on first and 10 when the other team knows your tendency is to run. Compiling stats late in a game when the other team has given up is over-rated Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FaithInIrish Forever 5,570 Posted February 22, 2017 Share Posted February 22, 2017 The year OSU won the title their line played like absolute dog crap in week 1 and 2 and they figured out a way to get that turned around. Meyer makes great adjustments when someone or something isn't working. Brian Kelly keeps trying to force a square peg in a round hole. Now we're shifting responsibility to Kelly. Here's the problem. We are on par with average teams running the ball. Average teams don't win national titles, great teams do. We can't point definitively to the cause of the problem because at times Hiestand has not been the problem. Here is what has been suggested Play-Calling Coaching/Adjustments Strength and Conditioning 1 out of 3 you can put on Hiestand. Fact is THEY ALL NEED IMPROVEMENT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
echo88 74 Posted February 22, 2017 Share Posted February 22, 2017 Well you and I were probably on different sides of that. I want to see how Balis(who worked for Meyer) effects this. Its True Ohio State has us by a yard per rush per year(ours start with 4's their's with 5's) Their's (Ohio State's) started with 4's before Meyer was Hired. So is the Cause Warinner or Strength and Conditioning Is ours Hiestand or Longo? Our lines were good 2 out of 5 years? OSU I would say 5 out of 5 So it will be interesting to see what the Balis effect proves to be Our problem is BK...not assistants Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FaithInIrish Forever 5,570 Posted February 22, 2017 Share Posted February 22, 2017 Our problem is BK...not assistants Then that will need to be resolved. ND did everything but make a head coaching change.' We'll see. I'm gonna hope for the best and invite you to do whatever feels right to you, as always I respect what your saying but hope for a good outcome because the kids deserve it. Hope you are well! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wharton70 93 Posted February 22, 2017 Share Posted February 22, 2017 (edited) Now we're shifting responsibility to Kelly. Here is what has been suggested Play-Calling Coaching/Adjustments Strength and Conditioning 1 out of 3 you can put on Hiestand. Fact is - THEY ALL NEED IMPROVEMENT Great summary - agreed - layer on this - the stubborn 96% of the time that D Fence brought up, and the need for the immediate gratification of 'see what s genius I am' home run ball (last year without Fuller) on 2nd & 7 or 8 adds up to inconsistency / lack of rhythm for the OL - long pass / stacked defense - that is strategy - adjustments have limited effect when the play (sequence) calling puts you in that kind of hole. I also throw a big vote on the S&C impact. Many of these OL players came in as studs and then were pushed around by Duke (Duke??) type teams. They were also notably gassed in the 4th 1/4 many times, and in November. Coach Longo was a great improvement the 1st few years, but his effect diminished significantly. Pray that his disability is not permanent, or life threatening. I get the sense that he gave a full effort, unlike some (one) recent DC. OK, enough griping. Go get 'em Lads. Edited February 22, 2017 by Wharton70 misspelling Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davislove 0 Posted February 22, 2017 Share Posted February 22, 2017 I'm all for dumping Heistand. I've always been hesitant about letting go of good recruiters but we have found strong replacements for Alford and Booker. Perhaps even improved in recruiting. I don't worry about numbers because they can be misleading. I trust my eyes and too often they see an oline that can't pick up a blitz, get beaten way too often on a 3 man rush and commit too many false starts. I don't expect much change this year. If kelly was smart he'd have an extra oline coach hidden in one of the administration position because are gonna call for harry's head a'la BVG last season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTennant 290 Posted February 22, 2017 Author Share Posted February 22, 2017 Our problem is BK...not assistants We were able to gash defenses when Warriner was teaching the pin/pull zone scheme out of the gun.. I agree there are greater issues at hand and it ultimately falls on BK, but without being able to run the ball and play D we have zero shot at a top 10 finish or playoff push. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
echo88 74 Posted February 22, 2017 Share Posted February 22, 2017 We were able to gash defenses when Warriner was teaching the pin/pull zone scheme out of the gun.. I agree there are greater issues at hand and it ultimately falls on BK, but without being able to run the ball and play D we have zero shot at a top 10 finish or playoff push. And what about situations where we are able to run the ball and our HC elects not to? You're talking about capabilities and Im talking about decision-making and gameday calls that have cost us several wins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wharton70 93 Posted February 22, 2017 Share Posted February 22, 2017 And what about situations where we are able to run the ball and our HC elects not to? You're talking about capabilities and Im talking about decision-making and gameday calls that have cost us several wins. Dead on, Echo - succint statement of what I was trying to say. Thank You Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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