Chicago Hate Crime Case

[jessemoore97]

Have people had an opportunity to read about the young, mentally challenged man kidnapped and beaten in Chicago recently? Pretty despicable act for sure. The individuals involved were charged with hate related crimes based on statements they made while recording this heinous crime. I was curious about people's views on the circumstances and the charges that were filed against them.

 

Part of the issue I have is the concept of "context" that will be an ongoing part of this going forward. Specifically it has been mentioned by the PD Commissioner about the context of what the offenders were saying while perpetrating this crime. Did the suspects truly mean what they said about white people etc. Does it matter? And does that same context argument hold water if the actors rolls(races) are reversed?

 

Keep it civil. I'm just curious about people's views. Does a person's race, religion, sexual orientation, etc matter more so than another's when a crime is committed? Or when that crime is perpetrated because of that reason? Do we need "hate crime laws"?

[davislove]

Hate crime laws were created because say for example a black guy was beaten in a small southern town of all white people. An all white jury in that town may choose not to act fairly with the black victim so making it a hate crime makes it a federal offense and takes it out of a biased communities hand.

 

What happen in chicago is inexcusable but i think there is less outrage about this is because we know that the bas+ards responsible will get whats coming to them.

 

This is a hate crime

[echo88]

Hate crime laws were created because say for example a black guy was beaten in a small southern town of all white people. An all white jury in that town may choose not to act fairly with the black victim so making it a hate crime makes it a federal offense and takes it out of a biased communities hand.

 

What happen in chicago is inexcusable but i think there is less outrage about this is because we know that the bas+ards responsible will get whats coming to them.

 

This is a hate crime

 

Hate crimes are obviously slanted toward white offenders, though. If I was beaten in a town full of black people and it wasnt captured on video, those responsible wouldnt be charged with a hate crime. Vice versa? Not so much. You think I'd get a fair trial in Prince George county?

 

The only reason these teens were hit with the hate crime charge was because they were dumb enough to include the racial commentary in their video.

 

There is less outrage over this crime because white people dont go out looting and burning down their cities when they occur. Has nothing to do with whether or not the perpetrators are handed a fair sentence. We accept it as it should be---it's not labeled as systematic or representative of a race. It's 4 idiots who should go to prison. The same way the public should view the cop who shot the guy in the back in SC. Guilty as f*ck. Move on.

 

Racism toward black people, however, is considered taboo. People of many races may harbor those feelings toward the black community, but when is the last time you heard about a black person losing their job...or being forced to resign...or making a public apology when caught doing the same? Racism toward white people, meanwhile, is somehow still accepted as justified.

 

In fact, some don't even believe reverse racism exists. They instead like to tag it with the euphemism "prejudiced".

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/reverse-racism-isnt-a-thing_us_55d60a91e4b07addcb45da97

 

Utter nonsense. Racial stereotypes will never die because there will always be plenty of black people who perpetuate the negativity attributed to their race. And there will always be plenty of white people who do the same to their race. It's what we see, hear, and experience that influences our perception of stereotypes.

 

If equality is honestly the desired end game, then we need to eliminate any and all institutions of exclusion...for ALL races. But we won't...because liberal America will always force feed white guilt for something few people alive were even a part of. And it's this double standard that will keep the cycle going.

[ny]

The thing is it's america's fault. Travon martin's murder was a hate crime, but got treated as a stand your ground case. I was telling people then that zimmerman was going to be found innocent; and because of that pandora's box has opened. i saw the video and it was reprehensible and disturbing of a video i have every seen. But the brutal killing of 9 parishioners in Charleston, SC was when i knew that as a country we have to get it together. You can't look at other countries injustices and say shame on them, when those same injustices are happening here. We are reminded of this countries ugly and brutal past all everyday.

[echo88]

The thing is it's america's fault. Travon martin's murder was a hate crime, but got treated as a stand your ground case. I was telling people then that zimmerman was going to be found innocent; and because of that pandora's box has opened. i saw the video and it was reprehensible and disturbing of a video i have every seen. But the brutal killing of 9 parishioners in Charleston, SC was when i knew that as a country we have to get it together. You can't look at other countries injustices and say shame on them, when those same injustices are happening here. We are reminded of this countries ugly and brutal past all everyday.

 

It was treated as a stand your ground case because there was evidence that Zimmerman was attacked by Trayvon. I agree that he shouldnt have been following him...or questioning his presence in the neighborhood. But when you attack someone who is following you, you can be legally shot. That is the law and it applies to all races.

 

Perception of high profile cases is slanted heavily by politically motivated news organizations in this country. Hell, most people get their news from Facebook. That is a problem.

 

Trayvon's killing warranted common sense and unbiased analysis to draw a conclusion. Dylann Roof's murders did not.

 

And it is laughable that you'd compare the perceived injustices of the U.S. to those of other nations. Men can legally murder women in dozens of nations just for bringing shame to their family. The U.S. is one of the few "just" nations in my opinion---we just have to experience situations unfamiliar to other nations because of our cultural and ethnic diversity.

[ny]

He was profiled and when Zimmerman found out he could not beat him he shot him. It is not laughable because wealthy people get away with murder all the time here. This is the greatest country in the world. I spent 20 years in the military and wouldn't trade it for anything. i love my family, but if you're wrong, you're wrong. But if you don't think the U.S. injustices can not be compared to other countries injustices is what i see is laughable. Look at our history and if you can't find any comparison, then i don't know what to tell you.

[echo88]

He was profiled and when Zimmerman found out he could not beat him he shot him. It is not laughable because wealthy people get away with murder all the time here. This is the greatest country in the world. I spent 20 years in the military and wouldn't trade it for anything. i love my family, but if you're wrong, you're wrong. But if you don't think the U.S. injustices can not be compared to other countries injustices is what i see is laughable. Look at our history and if you can't find any comparison, then i don't know what to tell you.

 

More money nets better services (including legal), schools, and opportunities. Nothing more American than that. What I think you covet is called communism.

 

I performed a decade of military service under extremely austere conditions and Ill continue to serve the nation (29 different countries and counting) until I physically cannot. If you want to compare the past transgressions of the U.S. to those of other countries that persist to present day, then that's your prerogative. There is nowhere else in the world I'd rather be tried for a crime than in the U.S.

Edited January 6, 2017 by echo88

[davislove]

Hate crimes are obviously slanted toward white offenders, though. If I was beaten in a town full of black people and it wasnt captured on video, those responsible wouldnt be charged with a hate crime. Vice versa? Not so much. You think I'd get a fair trial in Prince George county?

 

There is no long history of white people being attacked by blacks and the blacks getting off scott free. I thought I was pretty clear in my post. There are many communities in this country that dislike Gays, Blacks and Muslims and would not give them equal protection under the law. It's just that simple.

 

There is less outrage over this crime because white people dont go out looting and burning down their cities when they occur. Has nothing to do with whether or not the perpetrators are handed a fair sentence. We accept it as it should be---it's not labeled as systematic or representative of a race. It's 4 idiots who should go to prison. The same way the public should view the cop who shot the guy in the back in SC. Guilty as f*ck. Move on.

 

LOL. when was the last time we had a rash of black police shooting unarmed white men, women and children on camera and don't even have to go to court? When that happens then we talk about rioting.

 

 

Racism toward black people, however, is considered taboo. People of many races may harbor those feelings toward the black community, but when is the last time you heard about a black person losing their job...or being forced to resign...or making a public apology when caught doing the same? Racism toward white people, meanwhile, is somehow still accepted as justified.

 

 

There was a black lady recently who got in trouble for a homophobic statement. Does that count?

 

You know, this thread was about hate crimes and a violent act. And like every other social or political thread you enter, you hijack it and make it about blacks vs whites. ugh. enough already.

[echo88]

There is no long history of white people being attacked by blacks and the blacks getting off scott free. I thought I was pretty clear in my post. There are many communities in this country that dislike Gays, Blacks and Muslims and would not give them equal protection under the law. It's just that simple.

 

 

 

LOL. when was the last time we had a rash of black police shooting unarmed white men, women and children on camera and don't even have to go to court? When that happens then we talk about rioting.

 

 

 

 

There was a black lady recently who got in trouble for a homophobic statement. Does that count?

 

 

You know, this thread was about hate crimes and a violent act. And like every other social or political thread you enter, you hijack it and make it about blacks vs whites. ugh. enough already.

 

 

Hahaha are you serious? Of course there are race-motivated attacks on whites. You don't need a decades-long history of it to note that hate crimes are not equally applied.

 

Unarmed? Ive counted all of one instance of this and I brought it up. In the rest of the cases, they were either armed, trying to grab an officer's weapon, or fiercely resisting arrest. When none of these instances applied, the officer was tried.

 

Ummm that depends. Was the homophobic statement, in any way, related to race? I think you know the answer to your own question but Ill go ahead and call my point proven.

 

This thread is precisely about racial tension and the unfair application of hate crime charges. Read it again.

Edited January 6, 2017 by echo88

[Jim2Dokes]

 

Unarmed? Ive counted all of one instance of this and I brought it up. In the rest of the cases, they were either armed, trying to grab an officer's weapon, or fiercely resisting arrest. When none of these instances applied, the officer was tried

 

I'm not going to much into this discussion. These things have been debated in length on here before and lead no where. But, here is some info on that statement: https://www.google.com/amp/www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/North-Miami-Police-Commander-Wont-Face-Charges-in-Therapist-Shooting-389233262.html%3Famp%3Dy?client=safari

[EddieAngel]

There was a black lady recently who got in trouble for a homophobic statement. Does that count?

 

If you are talking about Kim Burrell, the second she decided to speak out about her religious beliefs she stopped being an African-American and started being part of the bigoted right wing who have the audacity to think that it isn't ok to just do whatever you like. Welcome to America, you are only an individual with rights and freedoms as long as you agree with the popular consensus.

 

I think the great Nigel Powers said it best when he said: "There's only two things I hate in this world. People who are intolerant of other people's cultures and the Dutch. "

[davislove]

Hahaha are you serious? Of course there are race-motivated attacks on whites. You don't need a decades-long history of it to note that hate crimes are not equally applied.

 

I never said there wasn't race attacks on whites. Those who do it get punished. I doubt you see a bunch of blacks crowdfunding for legal defense for those soulless POS the a'la Dylann roof.

 

I'll repeat myself as much as I need to.

 

They sell more rape whistles to women then men because women get raped more. So yeah there's more hate crime charges filed for minorities.

 

 

 

Unarmed? Ive counted all of one instance of this and I brought it up. In the rest of the cases, they were either armed, trying to grab an officer's weapon, or fiercely resisting arrest. When none of these instances applied, the officer was tried.

 

Again there you go playing fast and loose with the truth just like in the joe McKnight thread. I can name 2 off the top of my head and could find more if I looked.

 

 

Ummm that depends. Was the homophobic statement, in any way, related to race? I think you know the answer to your own question but Ill go ahead and call my point proven.

 

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What? No. the statement had nothing to do with race. I have no clue what point you are trying to make here.

 

Are you saying we don't tolerate homophobic slurs but would be OK with homophobic slurs directed at white gays? You are way out there.

[davislove]

If you are talking about Kim Burrell, the second she decided to speak out about her religious beliefs she stopped being an African-American and started being part of the bigoted right wing who have the audacity to think that it isn't ok to just do whatever you like. Welcome to America, you are only an individual with rights and freedoms as long as you agree with the popular consensus.

 

I think the great Nigel Powers said it best when he said: "There's only two things I hate in this world. People who are intolerant of other people's cultures and the Dutch. "

 

She might be viewed as a homophobe but she didn't stop being black. Echo made the statement blacks don't get into trouble for saying bigoted things and blacks are the only group thats protected.

[EddieAngel]

She might be viewed as a homophobe but she didn't stop being black. Echo made the statement blacks don't get into trouble for saying bigoted things and blacks are the only group thats protected.

 

It is the great minority pyramid. Blacks don't get in trouble for saying bigoted things against whites. Homosexuals and more widely protected groups are still off limits.

[echo88]

She might be viewed as a homophobe but she didn't stop being black. Echo made the statement blacks don't get into trouble for saying bigoted things and blacks are the only group thats protected.

 

No actually I specifically said black people aren't fired or have to make public apologies after making racial comments. Racial.

 

Here...let me give you an example. Van Jones, immediately following the announcement that Trump had won the election, called it a "whitelash". If a white anchor, immediately following the election of Obama in 2008, had called it a "blacklash", what do you think the repercussions would have been? Van hasn't even had to apologize, yet alone find a new job.

Edited January 6, 2017 by echo88