GreensboroGoldenDomer Posted November 30, 2016 Share Posted November 30, 2016 Another 4* that did nothing under Kelly Good luck young man This guy played in the Army All American Game Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ELDER06 Posted November 30, 2016 Share Posted November 30, 2016 Another 4* that did nothing under Kelly Good luck young man This guy played in the Army All American Game You can't blame Kelly for everything. This has more to do with him underperforming. You realize scouts get it wrong? Remember Alex Anzalone? Everyone freaked out when he bailed and went to Florida. He's done nothing during his time there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dardo Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 You can't blame Kelly for everything. This has more to do with him underperforming. You realize scouts get it wrong? Remember Alex Anzalone? Everyone freaked out when he bailed and went to Florida. He's done nothing during his time there. Little different as Anzalone has been hurt his whole career Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ELDER06 Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 How about Shane Morris? Wasn't he the #1 QB in the class of '13? He's the 3rd string QB at Michigan. Point is sometimes kids just aren't as good as the hype, not always the coach's fault Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davislove Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 (edited) He's a fifth year right? This may be a case of not being asked back. Edited December 1, 2016 by davislove Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LasVegasIrish Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 Little different as Anzalone has been hurt his whole career Lots of people are high on Anazlone right now, actually. I agree with your overall point tho. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbrown_9999 Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 How about Shane Morris? Wasn't he the #1 QB in the class of '13? He's the 3rd string QB at Michigan. Point is sometimes kids just aren't as good as the hype, not always the coach's fault Lou Holtz said something like 1/3 of recruits become stars, 1/3 contribute, 1/3 never pan out. I am guessing that the problem is that you don't know which recruit will fall into which bucket. Sort of like the quote about half of advertising being worthless but not sure which half... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davislove Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 I hope BK isn't showing these kids the door if he's planning to leave. He should let the next coach make that determination. He may need those guys because he didn't get a chance to recruit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VCDomer Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 Lou Holtz said something like 1/3 of recruits become stars, 1/3 contribute, 1/3 never pan out. I am guessing that the problem is that you don't know which recruit will fall into which bucket. Sort of like the quote about half of advertising being worthless but not sure which half... And the problem with BK is that he has no clue of how his staff fall in those same buckets or how to help that 2/3 to be able to improve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dangeruss Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 How about Shane Morris? Wasn't he the #1 QB in the class of '13? He's the 3rd string QB at Michigan. Point is sometimes kids just aren't as good as the hype, not always the coach's fault yeah I agree not every 4 or 5-star pan out. but look how many low 4-star and 3-star recruits thrived since BK has been here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ELDER06 Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 yeah I agree not every 4 or 5-star pan out. but look how many low 4-star and 3-star recruits thrived since BK has been here. Without a benchmark, we can't know one way or the other. What's been ND's avg rank in classes since BK? Then who are the programs within +/-2 spots in average ranking? Those 4 schools would be a good measure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ELDER06 Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 And the problem with BK is that he has no clue of how his staff fall in those same buckets or how to help that 2/3 to be able to improve. Not entirely true. ND has had guys like Fuller, Procise, Stanley, Eifert, Russell do despite being high 3/ low 4. Kelly should go, but we can't pretend he's been a total unmitigated disaster. He's a pr1ck, but he's done some good things at ND. It's just he's hit his ceiling and given his questionable loyalty, he needs to go Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeaverIrish Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 (edited) Not entirely true. ND has had guys like Fuller, Procise,Stanley, Eifert, Russell do despite being high 3/ low 4. Kelly should go, but we can't pretend he's been a total unmitigated disaster. He's a pr1ck, but he's done some good things at ND. It's just he's hit his ceiling and given his questionable loyalty, he needs to go Procise played out of position for 3 years. Stanley was a top 15 Tackle on some sites. Russell was the 9th athlete on rivals. Hell, Fuller was top 20 receiver on rivals. Edited December 1, 2016 by WeaverIrish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LasVegasIrish Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 (edited) Procise played out of position for 3 years. Stanley was a top 15 Tackle on some sites. Russell was the 9th athlete on rivals. Prosise, Brown, Okwara, Fuller, Onwualu, Kizer, Tranquill, Cage, Martini, Adams, Coney, Coleman, Finke, Vaughn, Love, Studstill, Stepherson, Jamir Jones. If you don't want to count the freshman yet fine, but these are all guys under Kelly that have played much better than their projections coming out of HS imo. I'm not super pro Kelly or anything, but I'm also not super anti Kelly either. He has raised the status of many lower 4 star and 3 star guys since becoming NDs coach. I didn't count Eifert since he was recruited under Weis. EDIT: I missed Kelly's first year. You can also throw in Nick Martin, Farley, McDaniel, Niklas, and Schimdt. Edited December 1, 2016 by LasVegasIrish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KamaraPolice Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 Prosise, Brown, Okwara, Fuller, Onwualu, Kizer, Tranquill, Cage, Martini, Adams, Coney, Coleman, Finke, Vaughn, Love, Studstill, Stepherson, Jamir Jones. If you don't want to count the freshman yet fine, but these are all guys under Kelly that have played much better than their projections coming out of HS imo. I'm not super pro Kelly or anything, but I'm also not super anti Kelly either. He has raised the status of many lower 4 star and 3 star guys since becoming NDs coach. I didn't count Eifert since he was recruited under Weis. Thank you, well done. I'm with you on my thoughts about kelly too. Just throw in there that Joe Schmidt was a hell of a walk on, and before his injury looked like a really good player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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