Assistant Coaches with BK

[irishrb 0]

I've been back and forth, but it's very likely BK is back. Assuming he stays, what assistant moves do you hope he makes?

 

1. Longo..I really don't see as much physical development as the players move through ND as I do from other teams.

2. Booker..TE and Special Teams have not been good. He Has to go.

3. Denbrock...fine if he stays on, but give Sanford full control of the offense.

[ndomer4 532]

I've been back and forth, but it's very likely BK is back. Assuming he stays, what assistant moves do you hope he makes?

 

1. Longo..I really don't see as much physical development as the players move through ND as I do from other teams.

2. Booker..TE and Special Teams have not been good. He Has to go.

3. Denbrock...fine if he stays on, but give Sanford full control of the offense.

 

Heistand? See ya later

[goirish83 0]

Longo booker and heistand to start. But remember we'd be entrusting a man to make these calls who after assessing last year's situation decided it would be a good idea to bring bvg back. Kelly has given me zero confidence he will or even can make the right calls.

 

Let's be honest here, kelly has had one losing season in his entire career so having to rebuild like this is brand new to him. All his vast experience does absolutely nothing for him in this situation.

[jumpman5678 1]

Heistand? See ya later

 

Without answering because of this year, why would you get rid of Hiestand?

[JTennant 290]

If Hiestand is brought back, I am seriously contemplating a one year boycott. Just too brutal to watch a team filled with 4* 6'5 300+ pound lineman that can't get a crease against Duke.

[KellyisNasty 0]

If they don't fire him, I don't care who he hires. I really don't. Great; he's going to bring in more people that he won't listen to and keep the worst of his friends around in some capacity.

 

I will stop caring about this program because they don't care.

[tneun89 1,118]

I think HH should stay. The line played very poorly this year, no doubt, but last year ND averaged over 200 yards on the ground. This year, we broke in three new starters and McGlinchey moved to LT. I think the offensive scheme hurts the OL more than we think. HH recruits well and gets guys in the league.

 

I agree and think Sanford should be QB coach and given full control of the offense. I don't mind keeping Denbrock as the receiver's coach - for such a young group, I thought they played well most of the year. I also really like Denson and think he could end up being out best recruiter.

 

I think Elston should stay as recruiting coordinator and maybe ST coordinator - he will get passed over for DC, but he is too good of a coach to not give more responsibility. I also like Lyght and thought our secondary improved drastically as the year went on (though last week and today were rough days). I wouldn't mind keeping Hudson on as a linebackers coach. I go back and forth on Gillmore - our line has been atrocious for two years, but the cupboard isn't exactly full of future NFL players.

 

I fire Booker tonight, and I pay a king's ransom to any top DC, namely Orlando from Houston, Aranda from LSU (pipe dream), or Elko from Wake Forest.

[irishrb 0]

I think HH should stay. The line played very poorly this year, no doubt, but last year ND averaged over 200 yards on the ground. This year, we broke in three new starters and McGlinchey moved to LT. I think the offensive scheme hurts the OL more than we think. HH recruits well and gets guys in the league.

 

I agree and think Sanford should be QB coach and given full control of the offense. I don't mind keeping Denbrock as the receiver's coach - for such a young group, I thought they played well most of the year. I also really like Denson and think he could end up being out best recruiter.

 

I think Elston should stay as recruiting coordinator and maybe ST coordinator - he will get passed over for DC, but he is too good of a coach to not give more responsibility. I also like Lyght and thought our secondary improved drastically as the year went on (though last week and today were rough days). I wouldn't mind keeping Hudson on as a linebackers coach. I go back and forth on Gillmore - our line has been atrocious for two years, but the cupboard isn't exactly full of future NFL players.

 

I fire Booker tonight, and I pay a king's ransom to any top DC, namely Orlando from Houston, Aranda from LSU (pipe dream), or Elko from Wake Forest.

 

I had him listed, as the D gets no push, but thought the same thing...He really doesn't have elite talent there...but they could still be performing better, I think.

[AnnArborsASlut 0]

I went through a list of assistants that need to go and the list was so big that I came back to the conclusion that Kelly and the whole staff need to go. When has a head coach fired his coordinators and other support staff one year and had a miraculous turn around the next year. But just for fun lets play.

 

1. Scott Booker - Special teams have been atrocious the past couple of years and exactly what are the names of our tight ends? He is unsalvageable.

 

2. Harry Hiestand - As was previously stated, the line is loaded with elite recruits who can't move anyone off the ball or protect the qb. The zone blocking scheme has to go and so does he.

 

3. Keith Gilmore - Zero pass rush, zero moves for our D linemen. And I don't buy that our Dline is devoid of talent, Rochelle, Jones, and Tillery are't chop liver, they have been failed by their coaches and scheme. If he stays we will waste more talent like Daelin and Khalid.

 

4. BVG - Probably should have been #1, but he's already gone and should have never been retained.

 

So that brings me back to Kelly. These were his choices. Bad choices, who have let these players down consistently. So if you asses the program like I just have and you have to fire the Oline Coach, the Dline Coach, the D-coordinator and the Special Teams Coordinator in order to fix the team, isn't the real problem the HEAD COACH at this point?

[ndomer4 532]

Without answering because of this year, why would you get rid of Hiestand?

 

Because we never dominate the line of scrimmage no matter how bigger and more talented we are. Last year was good because Prosise and Adams were probably the best one two punch since who knows when. Gray/wood, wood/riddick were good but those two were better imo.

 

This has been going on for awhile with Heistand, we don't control the line consistently and probably have better o line classes than Bama. Never been a fan of his zone block scheme, yah we pass pro great but never get enough push.

 

I'm with Jtennant, I will watch the first two games if Kelly is back but if I see no chances I will boycott as well. I have been such a die hard but I can't support Kelly, it's too frustrating. With Kelly, Swarbrick, Booker, Heistand, et al still here I have no hope for us. They will get fired next season anyways so might as well end it now.

[ndomer4 532]

I had him listed, as the D gets no push, but thought the same thing...He really doesn't have elite talent there...but they could still be performing better, I think.

 

I'm sorry man but Jones is elite, Cage is an elite nose tackle, Rochelle is not elite but very solid. The jury is out on Tillery and others but they are not bad, this is all on coaching imo.

 

There is no way a line full of 4 and 5 stars is this bad.

[goirish83 0]

Isn't the fact that Gilmore has so little talent to work with on the d line a reflection of his recruiting failures as well? I didn't see any type of progression from hayes or kareem (who completely wasted what should have been a redshirt season) which also indicates poor coaching, so I would like to add gilmore to my list

[nremdn 34]

I think HH should stay. The line played very poorly this year, no doubt, but last year ND averaged over 200 yards on the ground. This year, we broke in three new starters and McGlinchey moved to LT. I think the offensive scheme hurts the OL more than we think. HH recruits well and gets guys in the league.

 

I agree and think Sanford should be QB coach and given full control of the offense. I don't mind keeping Denbrock as the receiver's coach - for such a young group, I thought they played well most of the year. I also really like Denson and think he could end up being out best recruiter.

 

I think Elston should stay as recruiting coordinator and maybe ST coordinator - he will get passed over for DC, but he is too good of a coach to not give more responsibility. I also like Lyght and thought our secondary improved drastically as the year went on (though last week and today were rough days). I wouldn't mind keeping Hudson on as a linebackers coach. I go back and forth on Gillmore - our line has been atrocious for two years, but the cupboard isn't exactly full of future NFL players.

 

I fire Booker tonight, and I pay a king's ransom to any top DC, namely Orlando from Houston, Aranda from LSU (pipe dream), or Elko from Wake Forest.

 

I agree on Heistand. I think getting rid of him would be a mistake. He recruits amazingly well and is VERY HIGHLY thought of by his peers and players. I honestly believe it's more of a scheme issue than a Hiestand issue.

[JTennant 290]

Without answering because of this year, why would you get rid of Hiestand?

 

His offensive lines always look lost in zone blocking. They don't know how to peel off and block the 2nd level of the play. The kids actually looked a little improved in that aspect this year, but for me I've seen enough.

 

Do some simple internet research on how inside zone blocking works, and you'll see that he is a complete failure as a coach.

 

Stats aren't the tell all. 200 yards/game, so what? If you can't run effectively on first down or when you need to, it doesnt matter what your stats are. Every effective offense is predicated on running the ball first.

 

I couldn't care less if we rack up 40-50 garbage yards on the ground when the game is over.

[ndomer4 532]

I agree on Heistand. I think getting rid of him would be a mistake. He recruits amazingly well and is VERY HIGHLY thought of by his peers and players. I honestly believe it's more of a scheme issue than a Hiestand issue.

 

So its not a Heistand issue but who's idea was it to run this scheme....

[goirish83 0]

I agree on Heistand. I think getting rid of him would be a mistake. He recruits amazingly well and is VERY HIGHLY thought of by his peers and players. I honestly believe it's more of a scheme issue than a Hiestand issue.

 

But isn't it his scheme?

[JTennant 290]

But isn't it his scheme?

 

I noticed some potential dissension in how Mike Sanford "reverred" Hiestand during his first year at ND. I wouldn't be surprised if Sanford starts taking more of those responsibilities away from Hiestand.

[nremdn 34]

So its not a Heistand issue but who's idea was it to run this scheme....

 

But isn't it his scheme?

 

I'm not claiming he's perfect, I just feel like Kelly's offense is a big part of the problem. Call it a gut feeling, I just think if they get rid of Heistand it will hurt far more than anyone realizes.

[AnnArborsASlut 0]

Here are three big reasons why Hiestand need to go.

 

1. Mustipher - Can't consistently perform the most basic job of a CENTER, snapping the football.

 

2. McFlinchey - How many false starts can he have per game. Should have never been moved to left tackle.

 

3. The flaming dumpster fire that has been right guard for three years. Took a whole year to figure out that Bivin couldn't get it done.

 

I'm so tired of the great recruiter and respected by the players and peers argument. Name one player who has ever blamed his position coach, or one coach who would call another coach garbage. It's lip service and I'm not buying it anymore.

 

We've consistently played our Linemen out of position and the zone blocking scheme works for one or two big plays a game and gets blown up the rest. This leads to an inflated rushing stat that is misleading.