Donjuan 16 Posted November 19, 2016 Share Posted November 19, 2016 I know earlier, people lambasted the idea of Fleck coming to ND. Thoughts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IRISH812 0 Posted November 19, 2016 Share Posted November 19, 2016 I know earlier, people lambasted the idea of Fleck coming to ND. Thoughts? I like Fleck, I just feel like it may be too much too soon for the guy. Similar to BK coming from Cincinnati. ND is a different animal. It's just hard to tell if a guy is ready when you haven't seen him prepare for P5 teams on a consistent basis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donjuan 16 Posted November 19, 2016 Author Share Posted November 19, 2016 I get your drift but I think a great bridge to getting through to college kids and getting them to play at a high P5 level is enthusiasm and motivation. Fleck certainly has that aspect nailed down. Kelly doesn't have that "play for the coach" personality. Lou had it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irishrb 0 Posted November 19, 2016 Share Posted November 19, 2016 I would be all in for Fleck. He's a tireless recruiter, relates well to the kids, and would bring a new energy to ND. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndomer4 532 Posted November 19, 2016 Share Posted November 19, 2016 I like Fleck, his energy is different from pretty much every coach we've hired. He checks all the boxes and I think the type of guy he is is what this program needs. BK will be back so he should stay at WM next season and hopefully has a great year. We can hope BK gets fired or has another miracle season and ends up leaving somehow. I was never a big fan of David Shaw but watched this from a teammate who shared on facebook this morning [ame] [/ame] this guy knows how to win with the same type of guys we recruit. Also forgot he comes from the Harbaugh coaching tree. Winning without compromise, I have respect for Stanford ball even though I hate them almost more than any rival ATM. Would not think of Shaw as a homerun hire but has sustained success at a high level school who is most similar to ND. Multiple BCS games won too and even this year I saw as them bombing and being a huge letdown but they still end up doing great. He would never leave though, Paolo Alto is beautiful and it's probably easier getting kids there than cold South Bend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish_Thunder 197 Posted November 19, 2016 Share Posted November 19, 2016 I like him and then Sanford to take his spot at Western Michigan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Handsome Jack 0 Posted November 19, 2016 Share Posted November 19, 2016 I would be fine wirh Fleck but ND is not going to eat that 6 year extension they just gave Kelly. He will be gone by the time ND makes a move I'm afraid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vangordersmustache 63 Posted November 19, 2016 Share Posted November 19, 2016 Unfortunately I agree, if we wait till after next year to get rid of Kelly, Fleck is gone. He is different then BK , in the way he reacts to the players. He doesn't come off as a CEO or a politician to me, he comes off as a high energy motivator. A guy kids will run through a wall for. This is the type of coach you need at ND imo. We go into hostile environments every year, and every game is a battle. You need a guy that will motivate you, and get you to play above your abilities at ND. At this point it's a pipe dream. I'm a plumber by trade, so maybe lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goirish83 0 Posted November 19, 2016 Share Posted November 19, 2016 I'm a big time fleck fan, if they're going to get him though they better make the move after this season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FaithInIrish Forever 5,568 Posted November 19, 2016 Share Posted November 19, 2016 (edited) [ame] [/ame] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P._J._Fleck [ame] [/ame] Edited November 19, 2016 by FaithInIrishForever Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davislove 0 Posted November 19, 2016 Share Posted November 19, 2016 I like Fleck, his energy is different from pretty much every coach we've hired. He checks all the boxes and I think the type of guy he is is what this program needs. BK will be back so he should stay at WM next season and hopefully has a great year. We can hope BK gets fired or has another miracle season and ends up leaving somehow. I was never a big fan of David Shaw but watched this from a teammate who shared on facebook this morning this guy knows how to win with the same type of guys we recruit. Also forgot he comes from the Harbaugh coaching tree. Winning without compromise, I have respect for Stanford ball even though I hate them almost more than any rival ATM. Would not think of Shaw as a homerun hire but has sustained success at a high level school who is most similar to ND. Multiple BCS games won too and even this year I saw as them bombing and being a huge letdown but they still end up doing great. He would never leave though, Paolo Alto is beautiful and it's probably easier getting kids there than cold South Bend. I agree with what you said about shaw but they have an identity. Something I still don't see under Kelly. I always question coaches who try to be everything. You have to have a philosophy and master it. A good mechanic doesn't need to drag out his whole tool chest to change a battery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeaverIrish 28 Posted November 19, 2016 Share Posted November 19, 2016 Gotta take a chance eventually Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KellyisNasty 0 Posted November 19, 2016 Share Posted November 19, 2016 I like him and then Sanford to take his spot at Western Michigan. Sanford and Fleck are friends. I would expect Fleck to retain him as assistant HC/OC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KellyisNasty 0 Posted November 19, 2016 Share Posted November 19, 2016 With Fleck, you can pay him relatively little while you pay off Kellys albatross contract. Also, Swarbricks replacement will cost less too. This would be a very financially doable change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Chris 79 Posted November 19, 2016 Share Posted November 19, 2016 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P._J._Fleck I want this guy!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VCDomer 75 Posted November 19, 2016 Share Posted November 19, 2016 I want this guy!!! In a heart beat. Kidnap him in a brinks truck and hold him in his Urban Meyer type home until he signs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTennant 290 Posted November 20, 2016 Share Posted November 20, 2016 row the motherf****in boat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vangordersmustache 63 Posted November 20, 2016 Share Posted November 20, 2016 Show him the $$$ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LasVegasIrish 0 Posted November 20, 2016 Share Posted November 20, 2016 Don't think it's a lack of love, but I'm not gonna dwell on what ifs until Kelly is actually gone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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