Truths

[FaithInIrish Forever 5,573]

When the Baltimore Ravens have Ronnie Stanley they are undeafeated

Will Fuller has had an Early Impact on the Texans

Prosise has been labeled a very good receiver out of the backfield in Seattle.

Nick Martin was a very good center for us.

It hurts that Steve Elmer left for a Job In Washington

 

Jaylon Smith was the presence that made BVG's structure bareable

Who knows what Max Redfield could have done for us.

 

I could go on. There are a lot of factors that make a major bowl team decline to a team that are fighting to keep their head above water.

 

I know we long to replace talent like Ohio State does, but even they lost to Penn State this year. We're not them, another truth.

 

Yes its the truth that coaching is on the list. But if you are ignoring the other truths and only focusing on that one you're gonna dislike guys like Swarbrick who are evaluating the whole truth.

 

Question becomes ( like that movie, help me out, I forget which one) Can we handle the Truth??? I urge you to trust ND and keep the faith!

Edited November 12, 2016 by FaithInIrishForever

[cali_domer 298]

When the Baltimore Ravens have Ronnie Stanley they are undeafeated

Will Fuller has had an Early Impact on the Texans

Prosise has been labeled a very good receiver out of the backfield in Seattle.

Nick Martin was a very good center for us.

It hurts that Steve Elmer left for a Job In Washington

 

Jaylon Smith was the presence that made BVG's structure bareable

Who knows what Max Redfield could have done for us.

 

I could go on. There are a lot of factors that make a major bowl team decline to a team that are fighting to keep their head above water.

 

I know we long to replace talent like Ohio State does, but even they lost to Penn State this year. We're not them, another truth.

 

Yes its the truth that coaching is on the list. But if you are ignoring the other truths and only focusing on that one you're gonna dislike guys like Swarbrick who are evaluating the whole truth.

 

Question becomes ( like that movie, help me out, I forget which one) Can we handle the Truth??? I urge you to trust ND and keep the faith!

 

Nope have no faith left and coach Kelly. He kept BVG and he sunk this season . this season is 100% on him. He got pass happy in the NC State game he's made he's made so many poor decisions this season and over his career it's time to part ways. He has had 2 good years out of 7. That is not good eniugh and the excuses are really old now.

[FaithInIrish Forever 5,573]

Nope have no faith left and coach Kelly. He kept BVG and he sunk this season . this season is 100% on him. He got pass happy in the NC State game he's made he's made so many poor decisions this season and over his career it's time to part ways. He has had 2 good years out of 7. That is not good eniugh and the excuses are really old now.

 

totally your prerogative to feel anyway you want.

 

I'm just preparing people for the strong likelihood that BK will be in charge in 2017, and offering reasons why the administration appears to feel so differently then the fanbase.

[cali_domer 298]

totally your prerogative to feel anyway you want.

 

I'm just preparing people for the strong likelihood that BK will be in charge in 2017, and offering reasons why the administration appears to feel so differently then the fanbase.

 

The admin feels that way because they're a bunch of cowards. They have very low expectations on this program which in turn has made the fanbase have Lowered Expectations. There's no excuse for this mediocrity.

 

Just FYI I'm using voice to text why there may be some horrible grammar.

[ottawand 0]

totally your prerogative to feel anyway you want.

 

I'm just preparing people for the strong likelihood that BK will be in charge in 2017, and offering reasons why the administration appears to feel so differently then the fanbase.

 

The administration (Swarbrick) is saying what has to be said publicly. Ultimately it will come down to the BOT, they have no reason to stay the course with Kelly unlike Swarbrick who has his own personal reasons for doing so.

[FaithInIrish Forever 5,573]

The admin feels that way because they're a bunch of cowards. They have very low expectations on this program which in turn has made the fanbase have Lowered Expectations. There's no excuse for this mediocrity.

 

Just FYI I'm using voice to text why there may be some horrible grammar.

 

I understand how you feel. The fact is at the end of a college football season there is usually only one fanbase who is excited. Alabama and Ohio State have made it hard for everyone else to crack the top.

 

We had a window there when Michigan, USC, and Penn State were bad to grab some players that they would Normally get. We had a few good seasons. Now a lot of them are improving again. So we'll need to improve to keep up. The administration has to decide whether they want to stick with BK or not. I'm on the fence but he sure has put several good players in the NFL during his tenure,

[hawaiiirish 62]

I think its TRUE what Faith says about the players lost----lots of talent was lost off this team , and I think there was WAY TOO HIGH expectations going in to this season and not enough appreciation of the losses.

 

I called this season a rebuilding year---I was soundly scolded for that by some who were convinced we were simply going to be RELOADING NOT REBUILDING.

We would be favored in every game--and we should again be competing for a title.....yada yada

 

So on that point the TRUTH is this team had issues of youth and inexperience that were UNDERVALUED by many of us .....

 

THAT SAID FAITH----Excuses for the job Kelly has done and his STAFF (BVG) something Kelly has sole responsibility for ---don't hold up this season.

 

The TRUTH about our lost talent is there

 

But the SAD TRUTH is also there

 

A BETTER COACHING JOB FROM A BETTER COACHING STAFF---WITH THE SAME ROSTER AND SAME SCHEDULE would have this team at

 

6/3 or 7/2 depending on the breaks......

 

That is the TRUTH as I see it and leaves me with very little confidence left in Kelly's ability to deliver a consistently strong team under varying circumstances.

 

aloha's

[FaithInIrish Forever 5,573]

I think its TRUE what Faith says about the players lost----lots of talent was lost off this team , and I think there was WAY TOO HIGH expectations going in to this season and not enough appreciation of the losses.

 

I called this season a rebuilding year---I was soundly scolded for that by some who were convinced we were simply going to be RELOADING NOT REBUILDING.

We would be favored in every game--and we should again be competing for a title.....yada yada

 

So on that point the TRUTH is this team had issues of youth and inexperience that were UNDERVALUED by many of us .....

 

THAT SAID FAITH----Excuses for the job Kelly has done and his STAFF (BVG) something Kelly has sole responsibility for ---don't hold up this season.

 

The TRUTH about our lost talent is there

 

But the SAD TRUTH is also there

 

A BETTER COACHING JOB FROM A BETTER COACHING STAFF---WITH THE SAME ROSTER AND SAME SCHEDULE would have this team at

 

6/3 or 7/2 depending on the breaks......

 

That is the TRUTH as I see it and leaves me with very little confidence left in Kelly's ability to deliver a consistently strong team under varying circumstances.

 

aloha's

 

I agree with everything you said there. I'd like better coaching, from who, time will tell. I think the idea that a new coach is going to ride in on a white horse and save ND would be a fairy tail. All I know is I support ND in whatever decision they make, like you, I find it highly likely that Kelly will return in 2017, whether we like it or not.

[TexasDomer 1,486]

Faith, I agree with the premise, but one particular example is flawed in a way that doesn't undermine the message.

 

We absolutely miss Ronnie Stanley. No question. But the success of the Baltimore Ravens is actually despite Stanley, not because of him.

 

The commentators for the game Thursday were talking about how Stanley has been pretty awful, but that wasn't surprising as OT is a big adjustment in the NFL.

 

http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/ravens/bs-sp-ravens-steelers-folo-1108-20161107-story.html

 

He'll still be good, he's just not there yet.

 

As I said, that doesn't change the accuracy of your argument.

[goirish83 0]

I understand you just are playing both sides of the fence and trying to point out why they might bring him back faith but I just don't see anything you've said be enough reason to not fire him. This team will in all likelihood finish 4-8 and that's just inexcusable in year 7 at notre dame, especially against this schedule with very few injuries. Along with that his team hasn't gotten better as the season has gone on imo and there is just no way he turns 4-8 into 9 or 10 wins so we're looking at another mediocre season next season that will likely conclude with his firing, why prolong the inevitable?

Edited November 12, 2016 by goirish83

[ELDER06 248]

I understand you just are playing both sides of the fence and trying to point out why they might bring him back faith but I just don't see anything you've said be enough reason to not fire him. This team will in all likelihood finish 4-8 and that's just inexcusable in year 7 at notre dame, especially against this schedule with very few injuries. Along with that his team hasn't gotten better as the season has gone on imo and there is just no way he turns 4-8 into 9 or 10 wins so we're looking ato another mediocre season next season that will likely conclude with his firing, why prolong the inevitable?

 

I agree. The decision to hire Van Gorder was so bad, that alone should have him on the hot seat. What kind of dumb Fck thinks you can run a complex NFL scheme with college kids?

[davislove 0]

I think its TRUE what Faith says about the players lost----lots of talent was lost off this team , and I think there was WAY TOO HIGH expectations going in to this season and not enough appreciation of the losses.

 

I called this season a rebuilding year---I was soundly scolded for that by some who were convinced we were simply going to be RELOADING NOT REBUILDING.

We would be favored in every game--and we should again be competing for a title.....yada yada

 

So on that point the TRUTH is this team had issues of youth and inexperience that were UNDERVALUED by many of us .....

 

THAT SAID FAITH----Excuses for the job Kelly has done and his STAFF (BVG) something Kelly has sole responsibility for ---don't hold up this season.

 

The TRUTH about our lost talent is there

 

But the SAD TRUTH is also there

 

A BETTER COACHING JOB FROM A BETTER COACHING STAFF---WITH THE SAME ROSTER AND SAME SCHEDULE would have this team at

 

6/3 or 7/2 depending on the breaks......

 

That is the TRUTH as I see it and leaves me with very little confidence left in Kelly's ability to deliver a consistently strong team under varying circumstances.

 

aloha's

 

I agree. Kelly makes so many mistakes.

 

I don't know if its arrogance or insecurity but he makes football too hard.

 

One of the things that makes me wish he leaves is that i feel he may lead us into NCAA hot water. He's had so many kids getting into trouble and some players are getting caught cheating. A lack of structure with this coach.

[gipper2nd 0]

Faith........FYI.......................Steve Elmer was a lousy tackle, ( he had feet of stone).

[FaithInIrish Forever 5,573]

Faith........FYI.......................Steve Elmer was a lousy tackle, ( he had feet of stone).

 

he was a guard gipper, c'mon man..

[ckp160 10]

Not sure how many of you listen to Blue and Gold podcast, but this week they broke down their analysis of why ND is where they're at. It was all the stuff we've been grumbling about so it was nice to hear "experts" sort of agree with the common thinking. At no point during the discussion did they say, "Fire Brian Kelly," but it was shockingly clear how CBK has mismanaged the program the past 2-3 years. Sweeping changes MUST be made, and if not.... well I expect more of the same next year.

[moostache 0]

There are 2 Cardinal sins from Brian Kelly just this year alone that make him unfit to coach at Notre Dame...and these are not the usual suspect ones either...

 

1) NC State offensive play calling

 

In an ACTUAL hurricane and on a field so soaked through and sloppy that a cow pasture would look down on it as sub-standard he decided to remain pass happy through out the game. This was despite the fact that it was obvious in the first quarter that NO ONE was going to be able to successfully throw in that weather.

 

Not a very apt analogy, but in the "Snow Bowl", one of Pro Football's most iconic moments is NOT Bart Starr rolling out of shotgun on a bootleg pass to beat the Cowboys from the one...its the damn QB sneak for the TD. At NC State, much as at Clemson last year, Kelly showed exactly how pig-headed and fool hardy he can be.

 

That utter lack of offensive creativity or even common sense was THE telling moment of his offensive aptitude. He failed miserably.

 

2) Navy Defensive "performance" in the second half

 

That was NAVY. Not a very good Navy team either. They are running the EXACT SAME OFFENSE every damn year. Yet without fail, Kelly teams seem befuddled by it every other year. That ball control, limit possessions game is disgusting to watch, but when you KNOW that your defense is incapable of getting negative plays to force them off schedule and is routinely giving up 3rd and 4th down conversions and 10 minute drives, well it does take a "special" coach to keep doing the same things AND to forgo a chance to take a lead in favor of a FG to get close.

 

Winning teams and winning coaches ATTACK. They do not play not to lose. They play to win. Brian Kelly is a failed politician and utter hack as a college coach at the highest level.

 

He has been out coached and embarrassed by Meyer, Saban, Sweeny, Dantonio, and will be utterly schooled by Harbaugh if he is retained. He is a third or fourth tier coach and is dragging the program down to his level. Do not lose sight of the fact that this is beyond just this season...

 

Since the FSU game in 2014, the program in Kelly's 5th, 6th and 7th seasons is 16-14, likely on the way to 16-16. When in the holy hell did Notre Dame football become satisfied with 0.500? Fire Kelly and Swarbrick or shut it down, but what is being done now and accepted as the best possible outcome is an insult to the men who made Notre Dame football and Notre Dame University special in the first place.

 

This coach and this administration are utter failures under any fair analysis of where they are based solely on their results. And it is not like this is a guy that is squeaky clean or cuddly OFF THE FIELD either...investigations, allegations, even actual deaths are part of this overall equation too. It is not a close call or even something that should be rationalized based on contracts or lack of a "home run" replacement. He is unfit and a blight on the university's reputation and history.

 

Fire Brian Kelly now and spend the holidays finding a new man to replace him.

[KamaraPolice 0]

Thanks faith, I agree with you completely here.

 

How different would the season be if the hit on hunter gets called for targeting and we beat Texas? Well never know, but we have 6 losses and we could have won all of them. Coaching needs to get better, agreed; and guys need to stop getting kicked out of school in August.

 

I think we're a top 10 team again next year.

[ndomer4 532]

Thanks faith, I agree with you completely here.

 

How different would the season be if the hit on hunter gets called for targeting and we beat Texas? Well never know, but we have 6 losses and we could have won all of them. Coaching needs to get better, agreed; and guys need to stop getting kicked out of school in August.

 

I think we're a top 10 team again next year.

 

delusional.. we are only a top ten team every three years under Kelly. So looks like 2018.

[NoCal Irish 0]

Scarface...

[Handsome Jack 0]

The truth of the matter is that Notre Dame has no desire to have a powerful football program. It makes them uncomfortable. They feel that they are above it.

Therefore, they don't really care if they are winning big or not. Just enough to keep the fans hoping for next year and to fill the stands. Yes, they will eventually fire coaches who keep losing but they wait until they absolutely have to.

 

When members of the BOT come out and say that they know they have no chance against the big boys and they don't want to compete with them but it's ok because we get real degrees and know our boys are playing against men (although he certainly had no problem being a big boy when he played for Holtz) you know it's over.

 

Honestly, I can't wait until players start getting paid so ND can end this facade.

Edited November 13, 2016 by Handsome Jack

[goirish83 0]

The truth of the matter is that Notre Dame has no desire to have a powerful football program. It makes them uncomfortable. They feel that they are above it.

Therefore, they don't really care if they are winning big or not. Just enough to keep the fans hoping for next year and to fill the stands. Yes, they will eventually fire coaches who keep losing but they wait until they absolutely have to.

 

When members of the BOT come out and say that they know they have no chance against the big boys and they don't want to compete with them but it's ok because we get real degrees and know our boys are playing against men (although he certainly had no problem being a big boy when he played for Holtz) you know it's over.

 

Honestly, I can't wait until players start getting paid so ND can end this facade.

 

So you can't wait for notre dame football to end? Wow helluva fan

[ELDER06 248]

The truth of the matter is that Notre Dame has no desire to have a powerful football program. It makes them uncomfortable. They feel that they are above it.

 

That's extremely presumptive. Keep in mind what a cash cow the football program is and while the Admin will never admit publicly, the football team is a majority part of the identity of the school.

 

And it is hard for ND to compete with the diploma mills of Bama and OSU, but in can be done every so often.

[ELDER06 248]

So you can't wait for notre dame football to end? Wow helluva fan

 

Even when they start paying players (which I think is highly unlikely), it's not like teams/schools will have payrolls. Plus, there's already kids getting paid everywhere in major Power 5 schools.

[Handsome Jack 0]

That's extremely presumptive. Keep in mind what a cash cow the football program is and while the Admin will never admit publicly, the football team is a majority part of the identity of the school.

 

And it is hard for ND to compete with the diploma mills of Bama and OSU, but in can be done every so often.

 

They have an endowment of over 10 billion dollars. They don't need football money.

And ike I said, they want to be just good enough to keep the stands full and nostalgia in the air.

[Handsome Jack 0]

So you can't wait for notre dame football to end? Wow helluva fan

 

ND football won't end. They want to be part of an amateur league of student athlete plsyers with like minded and less funded programs. I'm tired of watching ND losing to minor league pro football teams and being laughed at.