Brown bag or no?

[InvNO1 0]

I'll be at the game tomorrow wearing my green jersey....debating on bringing a brown bag. This is what I get for buying tickets before the season starts.

[Handsome Jack 0]

No but you can hold up a sign that says We're #1......in graduation rate.

[Dardo 19]

No but you can hold up a sign that says We're #1......in graduation rate.

 

Is that a bad thing?

[Morgandonor 44]

I bought my tickets before the season as well. I don't get many chance to see them play. Last time we lost to AF at ND 2005

Lol...here we go again.

[dboe34 0]

I bought my tickets before the season as well. I don't get many chance to see them play. Last time we lost to AF at ND 2005

Lol...here we go again.

 

Sell your tickets

[TexasDomer 1,486]

The bag might be useful if you have to vomit

[Kelly Gruene 26]

To me a brown bag represents embarrassment regarding a team in general, including player effort and coaching.

In ND's case this year I am embarrassed by the coaching but not really by the player effort.

Wear the green jersey proudly.

If I were going to protest, I'd be more specific in my protest. I'd probably do a cut-out of Kelly's head in a big round circle with a slash diagonally through it.

[JTennant 290]

To me a brown bag represents embarrassment regarding a team in general, including player effort and coaching.

In ND's case this year I am embarrassed by the coaching but not really by the player effort.

Wear the green jersey proudly.

If I were going to protest, I'd be more specific in my protest. I'd probably do a cut-out of Kelly's head in a big round circle with a slash diagonally through it.

 

Use the picture from USF where he's blue in the face and looks like he's choking on his gum and put a noose on it

[Handsome Jack 0]

Is that a bad thing?

 

Evidently, not for football.

 

For the chess club or debate team, sure.

[Dardo 19]

Evidently, not for football.

 

For the chess club or debate team, sure.

 

Dude, you're a joke. It's very obviously not school that is causing the football team to lose to Duke and Navy, 2 schools with extremely rigorous academic demands.

[JTennant 290]

Dude, you're a joke. It's very obviously not school that is causing the football team to lose to Duke and Navy, 2 schools with extremely rigorous academic demands.

 

And Stanford

[Handsome Jack 0]

Dude, you're a joke. It's very obviously not school that is causing the football team to lose to Duke and Navy, 2 schools with extremely rigorous academic demands.

 

Hey, maybe we should form a league with those teams. Add Northwestern, Vanderbiltt, Virginia, Georgia Tech and a couple others.

 

Call it The Academic League.

[goirish83 0]

Hey, maybe we should form a league with those teams. Add Northwestern, Vanderbiltt, Virginia, Georgia Tech and a couple others.

 

Call it The Academic League.

 

Stanford has proven for the last decade you can win plenty while keeping academic standards high. Notre Dame has more talent then the majority of teams and with half decent coaching would be in the playoff conversation every year. It's not a question of talent therefore standards don't need to be lowered. We don't need to throw away everything we stand for to become Alabama.

[JTennant 290]

Stanford has proven for the last decade you can win plenty while keeping academic standards high. Notre Dame has more talent then the majority of teams and with half decent coaching would be in the playoff conversation every year. It's not a question of talent therefore standards don't need to be lowered. We don't need to throw away everything we stand for to become Alabama.

 

You're right that coaching is the issue and we have plenty of talent to win.

 

 

However, we do need to further lower our academic standards for Athletes to be on par with state schools. You either hold the athletes to the same admission standards as the rest of the student body or you lower them to make yourself more competitive with the likes of other schools. This in between nonsense, is just that.. STUPID

[Handsome Jack 0]

How many national titles has Stanford won?

 

How were they before Jim Harbaugh?

 

You guys do realize that they have classes and majors that ND would never allow their students to take, right?

 

You also realize that, like every other program except ND, their athletes aren't required to graduate in 4 years. They get 5.

 

 

Stanford. That's what our fans want to be? When Malloy, Beauchamp and Wadsworth destroyed ND football, that's what they wanted to be like. Stanford. And now the fanbase does as well. But ND can't even be like them amymore. Now we've fallen to Duke level.

[imroc 4]

Hey, maybe we should form a league with those teams. Add Northwestern, Vanderbiltt, Virginia, Georgia Tech and a couple others.

 

Call it The Academic League.

 

Sub-Ivy League

[goirish83 0]

How many national titles has Stanford won?

 

How were they before Jim Harbaugh?

 

You guys do realize that they have classes and majors that ND would never allow their students to take, right?

 

You also realize that, like every other program except ND, their athletes aren't required to graduate in 4 years. They get 5.

 

 

Stanford. That's what our fans want to be? When Malloy, Beauchamp and Wadsworth destroyed ND football, that's what they wanted to be like. Stanford. And now the fanbase does as well. But ND can't even be like them amymore. Now we've fallen to Duke level.

 

Im not advocating that our end goal should be to become stanford and that's it thats ridiculous. im simply saying that right now we have to start somewhere and becoming stanford is a step in the right direction. They've accomplished more in the last 10 years then we have in the last 20. So maybe we could start by winning a few big time bowls like them and then strive for more, again you have to start somewhere. I mean my god we don't even win big time regular season games and this year don't even beat the teams were supposed to. Expecting that we're going to just become bama next year regardless of what the administration let's slide is wishful thinking.

 

And in terms of big picture, realists like myself understand that notre dame is never going to be Alabama off the field in order to be Alabama on it. That is just not going to happen so if that is what you want or expect you're going to be angry for a long time. You can get red and the face and throw as many fits as you want but all its going to do is raise your blood pressure because it's simply not going to happen. You either need to accept that they can get it done by doing it their way or you need to accept that they'll just always be mediocre.

Edited November 6, 2016 by goirish83

[InvNO1 0]

Well, I did wear the green jersey, I didn't bring the brown bag although by the end I could have used it. The moment we went for a FG with just under 7 mins to go I looked at my wife and said that's ball game. We will never get the ball again. To make matter worse...when you see the Size and Speed difference live you want to walk onto the field and punch every ND coach in the face after a loss. The captains standing toe to toe at the coin toss was a joke...looked like David vs Goliath! We failed on so many different levels today it was amazing to watch in person. I don't put it all on Kelly either, the players played with no heart. I understand it's the coaches job to get them ready but they gotta go out and deliver and play with passion. I saw zero passion on the field today, even when we scored a TD it was like...Eh business as usual. At least I wasn't alone, the stadium seemed to be 80% Irish even with a Navy base less than 5 miles from the stadium. If Kelly stays and we don't get a Top Tier DQ next season I fear we are in for more of the same...

[imroc 4]

Well, I did wear the green jersey, I didn't bring the brown bag although by the end I could have used it. The moment we went for a FG with just under 7 mins to go I looked at my wife and said that's ball game. We will never get the ball again. To make matter worse...when you see the Size and Speed difference live you want to walk onto the field and punch every ND coach in the face after a loss. The captains standing toe to toe at the coin toss was a joke...looked like David vs Goliath! We failed on so many different levels today it was amazing to watch in person. I don't put it all on Kelly either, the players played with no heart. I understand it's the coaches job to get them ready but they gotta go out and deliver and play with passion. I saw zero passion on the field today, even when we scored a TD it was like...Eh business as usual. At least I wasn't alone, the stadium seemed to be 80% Irish even with a Navy base less than 5 miles from the stadium. If Kelly stays and we don't get a Top Tier DQ next season I fear we are in for more of the same...

 

The david vs goliath reality makes me sick everytime i see the kelly & weiss squads trip over these lil squid's dix. Sorry you had to witness this horse---t, bro

[Handsome Jack 0]

Im not advocating that our end goal should be to become stanford and that's it thats ridiculous. im simply saying that right now we have to start somewhere and becoming stanford is a step in the right direction. They've accomplished more in the last 10 years then we have in the last 20. So maybe we could start by winning a few big time bowls like them and then strive for more, again you have to start somewhere. I mean my god we don't even win big time regular season games and this year don't even beat the teams were supposed to. Expecting that we're going to just become bama next year regardless of what the administration let's slide is wishful thinking.

 

And in terms of big picture, realists like myself understand that notre dame is never going to be Alabama off the field in order to be Alabama on it. That is just not going to happen so if that is what you want or expect you're going to be angry for a long time. You can get red and the face and throw as many fits as you want but all its going to do is raise your blood pressure because it's simply not going to happen. You either need to accept that they can get it done by doing it their way or you need to accept that they'll just always be mediocre.

 

But we CAN'T get to the Stanford level. We've tried for over 20 years with 5 different coaches, 3 different athletic directors and 3 presidents. Its systemic. Its the University.

 

The univetsity forces the football program, the football program that made it world famous for the better psrt if a century TO PLAY BY A DIFFERENT SET OF RULES THAN EVEN STANFORD DOES. Let alone the true big boys of Alabama, Ohio State and Michigan. That's what I was trying to get across in my last post. Our rules are so ridiculous that even ACADEMIC schools like Stanford and Vanderbilt say "the hell with that, thst just crazy."

We simply can't get to Stanford's level, let alone Alabama, Ohio State and now Michigan. Our players can't even lift when they want to. They have memberships to local gyms.

 

But we lead the nation in graduation rate. Yay.

[goirish83 0]

But we CAN'T get to the Stanford level. We've tried for over 20 years with 5 different coaches, 3 different athletic directors and 3 presidents. Its systemic. Its the University.

 

The univetsity forces the football program, the football program that made it world famous for the better psrt if a century TO PLAY BY A DIFFERENT SET OF RULES THAN EVEN STANFORD DOES. Let alone the true big boys of Alabama, Ohio State and Michigan. That's what I was trying to get across in my last post. Our rules are so ridiculous that even ACADEMIC schools like Stanford and Vanderbilt say "the hell with that, thst just crazy."

We simply can't get to Stanford's level, let alone Alabama, Ohio State and now Michigan. Our players can't even lift when they want to. They have memberships to local gyms.

 

But we lead the nation in graduation rate. Yay.

 

I hear what you're saying and believe me I agree. I don't know enough about the ins and outs of the program behind closed doors compared to stanford or anyone else. I feel like based on recruiting rankings we have the talent to be a helluva lot better then we are. The talent is there imo to be in that group of teams below osu and bama. Now once they get on campus i have no idea with lifting and whatever else they are handcuffed by but in terms of talent getting on campus I think we have it.

 

I'm with you that there probably needs to be changes beyond even the coaching staff and AD but I just don't see that happening so as a fan what are my options? I can't quite notre dame, it's a drug that I can't just stop cold turkey so for my own health I have to lower my expectations.

Edited November 6, 2016 by goirish83

[Morgandonor 44]

Well, I did wear the green jersey, I didn't bring the brown bag although by the end I could have used it. The moment we went for a FG with just under 7 mins to go I looked at my wife and said that's ball game. We will never get the ball again. To make matter worse...when you see the Size and Speed difference live you want to walk onto the field and punch every ND coach in the face after a loss. The captains standing toe to toe at the coin toss was a joke...looked like David vs Goliath! We failed on so many different levels today it was amazing to watch in person. I don't put it all on Kelly either, the players played with no heart. I understand it's the coaches job to get them ready but they gotta go out and deliver and play with passion. I saw zero passion on the field today, even when we scored a TD it was like...Eh business as usual. At least I wasn't alone, the stadium seemed to be 80% Irish even with a Navy base less than 5 miles from the stadium. If Kelly stays and we don't get a Top Tier DQ next season I fear we are in for more of the same...

 

Lol right after the field goal I got up and walked out.

[NDMJ1984 0]

But we CAN'T get to the Stanford level. We've tried for over 20 years with 5 different coaches, 3 different athletic directors and 3 presidents. Its systemic. Its the University.

 

The univetsity forces the football program, the football program that made it world famous for the better psrt if a century TO PLAY BY A DIFFERENT SET OF RULES THAN EVEN STANFORD DOES. Let alone the true big boys of Alabama, Ohio State and Michigan. That's what I was trying to get across in my last post. Our rules are so ridiculous that even ACADEMIC schools like Stanford and Vanderbilt say "the hell with that, thst just crazy."

We simply can't get to Stanford's level, let alone Alabama, Ohio State and now Michigan. Our players can't even lift when they want to. They have memberships to local gyms.

 

But we lead the nation in graduation rate. Yay.

 

What exactly are these "different rules" that create a systemic bias against the football program?

 

And if we "can't get to Stanford's level", then Brian Kelly must be one hell of a football coach seeing as how every game played against Stanford in the last 5 years was decided by 7 pts or less, including 2 wins.

[Kelly Gruene 26]

But we CAN'T get to the Stanford level. We've tried for over 20 years with 5 different coaches, 3 different athletic directors and 3 presidents. Its systemic. Its the University.

 

The univetsity forces the football program, the football program that made it world famous for the better psrt if a century TO PLAY BY A DIFFERENT SET OF RULES THAN EVEN STANFORD DOES. Let alone the true big boys of Alabama, Ohio State and Michigan. That's what I was trying to get across in my last post. Our rules are so ridiculous that even ACADEMIC schools like Stanford and Vanderbilt say "the hell with that, thst just crazy."

We simply can't get to Stanford's level, let alone Alabama, Ohio State and now Michigan. Our players can't even lift when they want to. They have memberships to local gyms.

 

But we lead the nation in graduation rate. Yay.

 

Stanford wants their players to be able to graduate after 3.5 years, or at least have enough credits to do that. They put a lot of processes in place to make that happen. Is that the same as ND? Harder? Easier? Honestly I don't know what ND requests of their players other than maintaining a fairly nominal GPA.

I'm not sure what ND does that is so different from Vanderbilt and Stanford regarding the programs in general. In my opinion ND just hasn't hired the right coach. Watching Kelly's game-day decisions tells me he's not the right guy, regardless of all the University-based issues surrounding the product he puts on the field.