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Accounting for the transfer in of Avery Sebastian and transfer out of Matt Hegarty, I now count 93 scholarship players. I've broken them out by remaining years of eligibility:

 

1 - Golson, C. Brown, Carlisle, Stanley, Martin, Hounshell*, Okwara, Rabasa, I. Williams, Day, Councell, Grace*, Schmidt, Farley, Shumate, Sebastian, J. Brown

 

2 - Folston, Fuller, Prosise, Robinson, Elmer, Harrell, Rochell, J. Jones, Smith, Turner, Baratti*, Redfield, Butler, Luke, Russell, Daly

 

3 - Zaire, Bryant, Hunter, Heuerman, Luatua, Smythe, Bivin, McGlinchey, McGovern, Montelus, Blankenship, Trumbetti, Cage, Hayes, Matuska, Hill, Onwualu, Randolph, Deeb, Martini, Morgan, Tranquill, Watkins

 

4 - Kizer, VanGorder, Wimbush, Adams, D. Williams, Brent, Holmes, Boykin, Guyton, Sanders, St. Brown, Weishar, A. Jones, Bars, Nelson, Byrne, Mustipher, Ruhland, Hoge, Bonner, J. Williams, Dew-Treadway, Wallace, Mokwuah, Taylor, Tiassum, Tillery, Barajas, Bilal, Coney, Fertitta, M. Williams, Coleman, Crawford, White, Newsome, Yoon

 

*Potential 6th year for medical harship

 

Which means we have 8 players currently in the count who will not be on the roster come August. My guess on who is not:

 

5th years not invited back - Carlisle, Rabasa, I. Williams, Grace, J. Brown, Hounshell, Councell

Transfer - numerous candidates, I'll go with Mark Harrell

 

Other possibilities I could come up with are Baratti to medical scholarship, but based on Kelly's press conference Monday, that sounds like its not happening, Van Gorder coming off scholarship, or another transfer.

 

Anything I've missed on here or any other thoughts?

Edited March 6, 201510 yr by NDMJ1984

I'd guess VanGorder off of scholarship is a virtual lock. I can't imagine they'd bring him back and turn away one of the 5th years you mentioned, any of which are more valuable than a 5th or 6th QB.

I'd guess VanGorder off of scholarship is a virtual lock. I can't imagine they'd bring him back and turn away one of the 5th years you mentioned, any of which are more valuable than a 5th or 6th QB.

 

I would have issue with VanGorder being on scholly and forcing guys like Carlisle, Brown, and Williams not asked back.

How does this process play out? Can they wait until after the spring game to decide who not to have back for a 5th year?

 

I hate to say it, but I would not ask Grace back. Great kid, but I just can't see him be effective. Now, selfishly, if he played this spring and was the best player on the field on D, then heck yeah, bring him back.

 

We are in a good spot when we are trying to decide if we want to bring back Carlisle...

They have until the end of August to pare the roster down to 85 scholarship players.

Is deadline August 1 or September 1?

Is deadline August 1 or September 1?

 

I believe it needs to be 85 when they start pre season practice in August.

Will VanGorder need a scholarship? His dad is an employee of ND and his children get a free ride.

Or does this not apply to athletes?

Will VanGorder need a scholarship? His dad is an employee of ND and his children get a free ride.

Or does this not apply to athletes?

 

Moot question. He gone!

If we already have a thread for this, forgive me and feel free to move it accordingly...

 

Accounting for the transfer in of Avery Sebastian and transfer out of Matt Hegarty, I now count 91 scholarship players. I've broken them out by remaining years of eligibility:

 

1 - Golson, C. Brown, Carlisle, Stanley, Martin, Okwara, Rabasa, I. Williams, Day, Grace*, Schmidt, Farley, Shumate, Sebastian, J. Brown

 

2 - Folston, Fuller, Prosise, Robinson, Elmer, Harrell, Rochell, J. Jones, Smith, Turner, Baratti*, Redfield, Butler, Luke, Russell, Daly

 

3 - Zaire, Bryant, Hunter, Heuerman, Luatua, Smythe, Bivin, McGlinchey, McGovern, Montelus, Blankenship, Trumbetti, Cage, Hayes, Matuska, Hill, Onwualu, Randolph, Deeb, Martini, Morgan, Tranquill, Watkins

 

4 - Kizer, VanGorder, Wimbush, Adams, D. Williams, Brent, Holmes, Boykin, Guyton, Sanders, St. Brown, Weishar, A. Jones, Bars, Nelson, Byrne, Mustipher, Ruhland, Hoge, Bonner, J. Williams, Dew-Treadway, Wallace, Mokwuah, Taylor, Tiassum, Tillery, Barajas, Bilal, Coney, Fertitta, M. Williams, Coleman, Crawford, White, Newsome, Yoon

 

*Potential 6th year for medical harship

 

Which means we have 6 players currently in the count who will not be on the roster come August. My guess on who is not:

 

5th years not invited back - Carlisle, Rabasa, I. Williams, Grace, J. Brown

Transfer - numerous candidates, I'll go with Mark Harrell

 

Other possibilities I could come up with are Baratti to medical scholarship, but based on Kelly's press conference Monday, that sounds like its not happening, Van Gorder coming off scholarship, or another transfer.

 

Anything I've missed on here or any other thoughts?

 

In bold I have guys who I think should be taken off scholarship/ask to take a 5th year

In bold I have guys who I think should be taken off scholarship/ask to take a 5th year

 

Chris Brown is a junior now.

 

Hard not to keep Farley when bringing in Avery Sebastion. Why bring someone in? We need safeties. Baratti is tough. Played early but has injury bug.

Chris Brown is a junior now.

 

Hard not to keep Farley when bringing in Avery Sebastion. Why bring someone in? We need safeties. Baratti is tough. Played early but has injury bug.

 

chris brown is a senior dude.

He's not a 5th year. Brown is guaranteed to stay and would be guaranteed regardless. He's starting

 

Van gorder Rabasa and J Brown are the 3 people who have no chance. now we're at 88. It really comes down to 3 more

He's not a 5th year. Brown is guaranteed to stay and would be guaranteed regardless. He's starting

 

Van gorder Rabasa and J Brown are the 3 people who have no chance. now we're at 88. It really comes down to 3 more

 

Probably one or two underclassmen will transfer. I will go with Farley or Grace as being another not asked back.

Probably one or two underclassmen will transfer. I will go with Farley or Grace as being another not asked back.

I'd be shocked if Farley isn't asked back with our depth situation at safety. Farley can play when he's healthy and hit. I want him back. I have little doubt Jarrett Grace will ever remain healthy. Doubt he comes back, and if he does I'd be surprised if he remains 100% healthy. Honestly think Tevon Coney will be the future at mlb, but I hope he redshirts this year.

Edited March 5, 201510 yr by OKCIrish99

I'd be shocked if Farley isn't asked back with our depth situation at safety. Farley can play when he's healthy and hit. I want him back.

 

I strongly agree with this. Save Schmidt, there's no 5th year I'd want back more than Farley (and that includes Nick Martin and Golson).

 

To clarify an earlier debate, Chris Brown is currently a junior, both athletically and academically. Barring an injury in camp, Fall 2015 will be his 4th and final year of eligibility and academic senior year. So he isn't a candidate to not invite back.

 

Van Gorder will be interesting. I don't believe Kelly has revoked a scholarship without a disciplinary matter behind it. It obviously will have no effect on Montgomery's status, but does set a precedent I'd personally like to see the staff avoid at all cost.