Was bored and thought this was interesting. Not trying to make any type of big point here...

 

OFFENSE

POSITION, PLAYER, YEAR, RIVALS STARS, RIVALS POINTS

NOTRE DAME---------------------OSU

QB Golson, SR, 3, 5.7--------------QB Barrett, SO, 4, 5.9

QB Zaire, SO, 4, 5.9---------------QB Jones, JR, 3, 5.7

RB Foston, SO, 4, 5.9--------------RB Elliot, SO, 4, 6.0

RB Bryant, SO, 5, 6.1--------------RB Samuel, FR, 4, 6.0

LT Stanley, JR, 4, 5.8--------------LT Decker, JR, 4, 5.8

LG Martin, SR, 3, 5.6---------------LG Price, SO, 4, 5.8

C Hegarty, SR, 4, 5.9--------------C Boren, JR, 3, 5.6

RG Elmer, SO, 4, 6.0---------------RG Elfen, JR, 3, 5.5

RT Lombard, SR, 4, 5.8-------------RT Baldwin, SR, 3, 5.7

TE Koyack, SR, 4, 5.9--------------TE Huerman, SR, 3, 5.7

WR Fuller, SO, 4, 5.8---------------WR Spencer, SR, 3, 5.7

WR Brown, Jr, 3, 5.7----------------WR Smith, SR, 3, 5.7

WR Robinson, SO, 4, 5.8------------WR Thomas, JR, 4, 5.8

 

5 STARS 1-----------------------------5 STARS 0

4 STARS 9-----------------------------4 STARS 6

3 STARS 3-----------------------------3 STARS 7

AVERAGE PTS 5.84---------------------AVEARGE PTS 5.76

 

DEFENSE

NOTRE DAME-------------------OSU

DE Rochell, SO, 4, 5.9-----------------DE Bosa, SO, 4, 6.0

DT Day, JR, 4, 5.8---------------------DT Washington, JR, 5, 6.1

DT Jones, JR, 4, 5.8-------------------DT Bennett, SR, 4, 6.0

DE Trumbetti, FR, 3, 5.7---------------DE Miller, SR, 4, 5.8

LB Smith, SO, 5, 6.1-------------------LB Grant, SR, 5, 6.1

LB Schmidt, SR, 2, 5.4-----------------LB Perry, JR, 4, 5.8

LB Onwualu, SO, 4, 5.8----------------LB Lee, SO, 3, 5.7

CB Luke, SO, 4, 5.9-------------------CB Apple, SO, 4, 5.9

S Schumate, JR, 4, 5.8----------------S Powell, JR, 3, 5.7

S Redfield, SO, 5, 6.1-----------------S Bell, SO, 5, 6.1

CB Riggs, SR, 4, 5.9-------------------CB Grant, SR, 4, 6.0

CB Butler, SO, 3, 5.6------------------CB Reeves, Jr, 4, 5.8

 

5 STARS 2------------------------------5 STARS 3

4 STARS 7------------------------------4 STARS 7

3 STARS 2------------------------------3 STARS 2

2 STARS 1

AVERAGE PTS 5.82-----------------------AVERAGE PTS 5.91

a really nice post, man!

I cringe every time I see guys that we had committed or were close on starring for other teams.

 

Decker was committed until Meyer signed, right?

I am pretty sure that we were close with Elliot, too.

 

I saw Mattingly playing well for Oregon, too.

Average pts for offense and defense are pretty equal. What's the difference between the 2 programs????

I cringe every time I see guys that we had committed or were close on starring for other teams.

 

Decker was committed until Meyer signed, right?

I am pretty sure that we were close with Elliot, too.

 

I saw Mattingly playing well for Oregon, too.

 

Yep. I still remember him saying even late in the process that he was 100% Irish, and then.....................he wasn't.

Yep. I still remember him saying even late in the process that he was 100% Irish, and then.....................he wasn't.

 

It wasn't only Meyer coming to OSU... It was also Warriner leaving ND to go to OSU.

It wasn't only Meyer coming to OSU... It was also Warriner leaving ND to go to OSU.

 

True, and Tim Hinton's departure for OSU as well.

Posts like these make my eyes bleed.

 

ND has as much raw talent as the National Champion, who won despite playing their 3rd QB.

 

Meanwhile, ND was 8-5 because of "injuries".

 

Wake up folks.

Posts like these make my eyes bleed.

 

ND has as much raw talent as the National Champion, who won despite playing their 3rd QB.

 

Meanwhile, ND was 8-5 because of "injuries".

 

Wake up folks.

 

it is quite eye opening, right?

 

the only thing in this equation that stands out is maybe not all "stars" are created equal? and I mean recruiting stars.

 

even with the defense we should have been at worst 9-3 (and would have played another SEC team in bowl game?)

it is quite eye opening, right?

 

the only thing in this equation that stands out is maybe not all "stars" are created equal? and I mean recruiting stars.

 

even with the defense we should have been at worst 9-3 (and would have played another SEC team in bowl game?)

 

Nope. All stars are created equal, it is how they are molded at the next level that is the difference.

 

Ohio St. manhandled Oregon last night. ND's O-line has every bit the talent, if not more, but they are asked to pass block instead. Sad.

Yea, stuff like this...and watching with my eyeballs last night, doesn't make me to hopeful. Even if next years schedule or 2016 sets up nicely, you're still talking about beating two highly ranked teams and I'm not sure ND has what it takes. Personally, I don't think ND could have beaten Bama, Oregon, OSU or TCU even if they had everyone they had when they played FSU.

 

I don't claim to be a scout or a coach and would love for some of you to prove me wrong (no sarcasm; I really would like to hear any rebuttals) , I just don't see the same thing on the field (I seldom see ND dominate and push people around) when I watch ND play as some of these other teams.

Edited January 13, 201510 yr by OKLAHOMAIRISHFAN

Nope. All stars are created equal, it is how they are molded at the next level that is the difference.

 

Ohio St. manhandled Oregon last night. ND's O-line has every bit the talent, if not more, but they are asked to pass block instead. Sad.

 

Just because two people are given five yellow stars does not mean they have the same potential, the same talents or the same ceilings.

 

I think what you said about development is very important.

 

But we know BK has the ability, intelligence and staff to get the team to a national title game right? many of those guys were on 2012 staff. why were they good enough then but not good enough now?

Average pts for offense and defense are pretty equal. What's the difference between the 2 programs????

 

Depth for one. If you extend that list out into the 2 or 3 deep you'll notice some separation of talent (ranking). Also look at all the players on our defense that were hurt.

 

James Onwualu rating is for WR so his score taints the scorecard a little.

Just because two people are given five yellow stars does not mean they have the same potential, the same talents or the same ceilings.

 

I agree. And it's also about how you fit. If Ezekiel Elliott came to ND I don't think he would have bulked up and be lowering his head and running up the gut the way he's doing in Columbus.

 

He'd be trying to become a good blocker like cam:(

I should remind people with a semi-healthy team we kicked LSU's butt all over the field with about the youngest team in the country.

 

Turnovers and injuries were the story of the season. $hit happens. The only disappointment this year was really too many t.o.'s from a qb who has a history of few.

 

Next years will be interesting.

I agree. And it's also about how you fit. If Ezekiel Elliott came to ND I don't think he would have bulked up and be lowering his head and running up the gut the way he's doing in Columbus.

 

He'd be trying to become a good blocker like cam

 

Also, still trying to understand the ever complicated playbook

I should remind people with a semi-healthy team we kicked LSU's butt all over the field with about the youngest team in the country.

 

Turnovers and injuries were the story of the season. $hit happens. The only disappointment this year was really too many t.o.'s from a qb who has a history of few.

 

Next years will be interesting.

 

Next year will tell me alot for sure. We beat LSU by 3 points in the final seconds. That's not kicking their butt all over the field in my book. And we showed a completely different offensive gameplan that wasn't on anyone's scouting report. But you have to give Kelly and co. props implementing it.

Depth for one. If you extend that list out into the 2 or 3 deep you'll notice some separation of talent (ranking). Also look at all the players on our defense that were hurt.

 

James Onwualu rating is for WR so his score taints the scorecard a little.

 

Depth plays into it as does coaching.

Depth plays into it as does coaching.

We have the 10th ranked recruiting class over the last 5 years. Depth shouldn't be an issue and any issue in depth goes back on the coaches, they've been here 5 years now, plenty of time to build their team and fill out the depth charts.

We have the 10th ranked recruiting class over the last 5 years. Depth shouldn't be an issue and any issue in depth goes back on the coaches, they've been here 5 years now, plenty of time to build their team and fill out the depth charts.

 

Though I mostly agree....

 

ND suffered a historically high number of injuries. I believe the stat they showed in the LSU game was something like 18 injuries resulting in missed games, and 14 resulted in significant missed time. During the U$C game, the announcer mentioned that ND was playing guys that were not even on his roster sheet....

 

Though I give the coaches a small break, I do believe the defensive system is too complex (and too risky) and this was the main reason the D sucked at a historic level of suck.

We have the 10th ranked recruiting class over the last 5 years. Depth shouldn't be an issue and any issue in depth goes back on the coaches, they've been here 5 years now, plenty of time to build their team and fill out the depth charts.

 

right on man.

but remember that number doesn't account for people leaving early.

 

if we had tuitt and nix and russell and ishaq defense has more depth and can fight off injuries a little better. even having kendall moore helps.

 

every team has early departures and injuries, but not everyone has the immediate depth or ability to pull super talented depth consistently.