I feel like college teams need a players coach, someone they can rally for and play for. I read it best when someone said Kelly's players will not walk through a fire with him, we need a coach who players will do that for. Pete Carroll is a players coach, players would do anything for him and rally around him. All the good coaches are players coaches, they still discipline but they would never use the word they, they use we and take ownership for losses. I know we're talking greats with Urban and Saban but all the greats share this in common.

 

I'm not sure we can get a great, but there are good coaches who have this trait and many other good ones. I bring it up because I know the players quit on Kelly, I get we're young but you could see it in the USC game. They flat out quit, no heart, no emotion, and would not fight for their coach. Kelly is a better coach than Weis but I never saw those teams quit, the players loved Weis and fought for him till the end. Golson ignoring BK is another example of the lack of respect players have for him.

 

Most coaches have players who sing their praises or atleast have nice things to say but I don't see many about Kelly. It looks like he's aged ten years as well and just looks beat/tired all the time, he cannot handle this job. I feel like next years experienced/talented roster will be wasted on a coach we know can't get it done.

You mean this Pete Carroll?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Southern_California_athletics_scandal

I feel like college teams need a players coach, someone they can rally for and play for. I read it best when someone said Kelly's players will not walk through a fire with him, we need a coach who players will do that for. Pete Carroll is a players coach, players would do anything for him and rally around him. All the good coaches are players coaches, they still discipline but they would never use the word they, they use we and take ownership for losses. I know we're talking greats with Urban and Saban but all the greats share this in common.

 

I'm not sure we can get a great, but there are good coaches who have this trait and many other good ones. I bring it up because I know the players quit on Kelly, I get we're young but you could see it in the USC game. They flat out quit, no heart, no emotion, and would not fight for their coach. Kelly is a better coach than Weis but I never saw those teams quit, the players loved Weis and fought for him till the end. Golson ignoring BK is another example of the lack of respect players have for him.

 

Most coaches have players who sing their praises or atleast have nice things to say but I don't see many about Kelly. It looks like he's aged ten years as well and just looks beat/tired all the time, he cannot handle this job. I feel like next years experienced/talented roster will be wasted on a coach we know can't get it done.

 

You think UM and NS are players coaches? You are nuts, NS about killed McCarron on the sidelines several times, plus McCarron threw him under the bus just this year. UM has repeatedly thrown whole position groups under the bus throughout his OSU tenure. I suggest you actually watch how other coaches behave before you post. Nick Saban made a godamn rookie turn to tears in camp while he was at Miami for gods sake. I am not defending BK, but for gods sake maybe some of you people should put down the ****ing BK voodoo doll down and actually look at the outside world before you spew your vomit daily. Nick Saban and UM are twenty times worse Aholes than BK, they just happen to be afforded more options.

You think UM and NS are players coaches? You are nuts, NS about killed McCarron on the sidelines several times, plus McCarron threw him under the bus just this year. UM has repeatedly thrown whole position groups under the bus throughout his OSU tenure. I suggest you actually watch how other coaches behave before you post. Nick Saban made a godamn rookie turn to tears in camp while he was at Miami for gods sake. I am not defending BK, but for gods sake maybe some of you people should put down the ****ing BK voodoo doll down and actually look at the outside world before you spew your vomit daily. Nick Saban and UM are twenty times worse Aholes than BK, they just happen to be afforded more options.

 

Yeah I knew that would happen, yes they are *******s that is not what I'm getting at. Do you ever see people talk highly of BK or say anything nice about him, it happens to those two guys on the daily. Those coaches don't throw players under the bus or anything, nor do their teams quit on them or preform like Kelly's do. I've seen Meyer say the db's need to play better or to the tune of that but nothing near what Kelly has spewed out.

 

Most good coaches are *******s, but you can tell those players would walk through a fire with them and BK's players won't. Being an ******* has nothing to do with a player liking you or not.

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You mean this Pete Carroll?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Southern_California_athletics_scandal

 

So Pete Carroll couldn't walk around with Bush 24/7 and make sure he didn't receive gifts from agents? If your 20 and people are giving you cash and cars or whatever he got you wouldn't take it? Has nothing to do with Carroll or this thread.

I feel like college teams need a players coach, someone they can rally for and play for. I read it best when someone said Kelly's players will not walk through a fire with him, we need a coach who players will do that for. Pete Carroll is a players coach, players would do anything for him and rally around him. All the good coaches are players coaches, they still discipline but they would never use the word they, they use we and take ownership for losses. I know we're talking greats with Urban and Saban but all the greats share this in common.

 

I'm not sure we can get a great, but there are good coaches who have this trait and many other good ones. I bring it up because I know the players quit on Kelly, I get we're young but you could see it in the USC game. They flat out quit, no heart, no emotion, and would not fight for their coach. Kelly is a better coach than Weis but I never saw those teams quit, the players loved Weis and fought for him till the end. Golson ignoring BK is another example of the lack of respect players have for him.

 

Most coaches have players who sing their praises or atleast have nice things to say but I don't see many about Kelly. It looks like he's aged ten years as well and just looks beat/tired all the time, he cannot handle this job. I feel like next years experienced/talented roster will be wasted on a coach we know can't get it done.

 

So what you are saying is we need a coach who turns his head when players are doing wrong. Player coaches are not always the best option. It's like being best friends with your child and trying to discipline them when they do something wrong. Oil and vinegar my friend....

Yeah I knew that would happen, yes they are *******s that is not what I'm getting at. Do you ever see people talk highly of BK or say anything nice about him, it happens to those two guys on the daily. Those coaches don't throw players under the bus or anything, nor do their teams quit on them or preform like Kelly's do. I've seen Meyer say the db's need to play better or to the tune of that but nothing near what Kelly has spewed out.

 

Most good coaches are *******s, but you can tell those players would walk through a fire with them and BK's players won't. Being an ******* has nothing to do with a player liking you or not.

 

Your nuts um throws players and whole position groups under the bus weekly.

Your nuts um throws players and whole position groups under the bus weekly.

 

Don't if I understand this one seems like you are agreeing but disagreeing at the same time. I think he is saying BK throws his players under the bus.

So Pete Carroll couldn't walk around with Bush 24/7 and make sure he didn't receive gifts from agents? If your 20 and people are giving you cash and cars or whatever he got you wouldn't take it? Has nothing to do with Carroll or this thread.

 

He knew about it and was dishonest about it. Decided to leave before the sanctions hit. It's about character.

Your nuts um throws players and whole position groups under the bus weekly.

 

Ok but that doesn't change the fact Meyer's players love him and love to play for him, I don't get that from Kelly's players. Thats the point I'm getting at, forget about all the other problems with Kelly then add on the fact his team doesn't like him and quits on him against USC. What do we have then? A good recruiter and a coach who prepares better and makes better adjustments than Weis?

 

Players don't respond to him, they won't go to war with him.

Edited December 3, 201410 yr by ndomer4

Don't if I understand this one seems like you are agreeing but disagreeing at the same time. I think he is saying BK throws his players under the bus.

 

I'm saying UM alienates his players just as bad if not worse than BK. But yet In the OPs mind UM is a players coach?

Ok but that doesn't change the fact Meyer's players love him and love to play for him, I don't get that from Kelly's players. That the point I'm getting at, forget about all the other problems with Kelly then add on the fact his team doesn't like him and quits on him against USC. What do we have then? A good recruiter and a coach who prepares better and makes better adjustments than Weis?

 

Players don't respond to him, they won't go to war with him.

 

How do you know who quit on who? Did osu quit on urby last year? It's a stupid argument! Ask brian smith and others, a players coach is subjective. I already said my piece with BK, one more year, that's it. I'm just tired of the 60th thread about how all the players quit because BK is the antichrist.

To me it seems like you want a cheerleader, one of those coaches that jumps up and down and praises any player who makes a big play. Kind of like Carroll. Howver UM and NS and more like Kelly than they are different. Kelly let's the staff praise the players and then says "you could have done this better". BK is constantly coaching and letting the staff do the recognition. UM and Ns do the same thing.

Sorry, bro, OSU players did not love Urbie. After he left Florida in shambles, leading the nation in arrests. Letting his homies Hernandez and Harvin do their own thing. He comes into Columbus and suddenly has the revelation to be a tough guy and tries to runoff all of his seniors. Threatened to pull scholies if they missed a practice. He is a hypocrite, now he is a big bad sheriff. Threatens to kick off the team anyone doing drugs, domestic violence. That was rampant in Florida.

 

He recruits thugs, knows when to blackshirt them, knows how to look the other way, keep things under wraps. Like the Carlos Hyde situation, sounds similar to Jameis Winston.

 

Notre Dame needs bad boys and someone to keep them out of jail and hitting people on the football field.

Yeah, i'm going to pile on. Urban, the "players coach" was so mad at Carlos Hyde for punching a girl that he booted two three-star recruits off campus for underage drinking before the season had even started. He even got up and waxed ethical about it at the time. Of course, he only ditched those guys because his next recruiting class was filling up with 5 stars.

 

Nick Saban, the players coach, kicked a kid off the team and revoked his scholarship the day the freshman showed up on campus! He's repeatedly sought and taken commitments only to pull them only because he has better recruits ready to commit.

 

Those guys are celebrated because they win. One of the reasons they win is because the ONLY concern they have for their players is whether or not those players can get them closer to a championship. I don't blame them for it but I certainly don't confuse it with being a players coach.

 

Also, let's not forget that we had a player's coach in Charlie Weis. He bent over backwards to make his players happy and failed because he was a ****** coach (not to mention, because he bothered with trying to make his players happy and let that get in the way of trying to just win).

 

Players may not like Kelly. Kelly may not be a players coach. It may be best for ND to get a new coach. But, the only absolute in this post is that it's fundamentally erroneous.

Saban?

 

Saban is NOT NOT NOT a players' coach!!!

 

Holy jeez!!!! He is brutal on his kids...and dumps them if they can't help the program.

 

Urban is brutal too...might be a little warmer after wins with the camera. And can schmooze with the best but he is tough...

 

Now he lets kids do whatever the F they want to do if they deliver and prepare well....but that's just him having no morals...not being a "player's coach".

 

Players' coach rarely work in college...my God...

 

And they only last a short amount of time in the NFL.

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Players coach . . . That took 4 seconds to find and were the ones I could think off of the top. I'm sure there are others.

I feel like college teams need a players coach, someone they can rally for and play for. I read it best when someone said Kelly's players will not walk through a fire with him, we need a coach who players will do that for.

 

I get what you are saying and agree.

 

David Shaw would be a better example. The Stanford players would run through a wall for this guy and he can appeal to them as players since he played there as well. Sherman calls him a second father...and their relationship spans to when he was a coordinator.

 

To be fair to BK, I also feel he tries to connect to players (EG at least in the '12 show about the lead up to Miami Subway Series game). BK also seems to have his favorites so maybe that puts others on the outskirts.

There is a difference between being a players coach and yelling at players. Those two things aren't mutually exclusive. You can be both.

IDK, every coach I had in baseball in high school and college were task-master, hard-asses. Demanded hard work, nothing less than your best, basically wanted perfection, all that good stuff. And they had teams that played their butts off for them. Not what I'd call players coaches by any means.

 

But, one thing I will say about all of them (and I have NO idea if this is/is not the case w/Kelly), is that as hard on us as they were, they were equally quick to praise when we did things right. If a coach ONLY rides your (a)ss and never praises, that gets old real quick.

I feel like college teams need a players coach, someone they can rally for and play for. I read it best when someone said Kelly's players will not walk through a fire with him, we need a coach who players will do that for. Pete Carroll is a players coach, players would do anything for him and rally around him. All the good coaches are players coaches, they still discipline but they would never use the word they, they use we and take ownership for losses. I know we're talking greats with Urban and Saban but all the greats share this in common.

 

I'm not sure we can get a great, but there are good coaches who have this trait and many other good ones. I bring it up because I know the players quit on Kelly, I get we're young but you could see it in the USC game. They flat out quit, no heart, no emotion, and would not fight for their coach. Kelly is a better coach than Weis but I never saw those teams quit, the players loved Weis and fought for him till the end. Golson ignoring BK is another example of the lack of respect players have for him.

 

Most coaches have players who sing their praises or atleast have nice things to say but I don't see many about Kelly. It looks like he's aged ten years as well and just looks beat/tired all the time, he cannot handle this job. I feel like next years experienced/talented roster will be wasted on a coach we know can't get it done.

 

Pete Carroll cheated. End of discussion. That's a player's coach to you?