What is the identity of ND football under BK? Seriously. We have none. To be brutally honest, our identity has been turnovers and poor QB play! These have been constants!

 

 

We're not tough. We're not smart. We're not radical but we're not conservative either. We occasionally rise up against a tough opponent but more frequently sink down to inferior (on paper) opponents.

 

What is our identity?

A lamented fan base...

Our identity is excuses and wait till next year.

Notre Dame's identity is to occasionally tease the hell out of its fan base and make them think they may be finally turning the corner. Then, when they have most of us roped in, they **** the bed. It's like groundhog day for the last 20 years.

We have the identity of an 8 win per season football program which is better then the 7 win season average of the 3 previous regimes but not much.

 

The program as a whole is better now then it was when he got here but in my opinion kelly will never be more then an 8-9 win coach at this level with maybe an occasional tease once every 5 years and thats simply not good enough

We have the identity of an 8 win per season football program which is better then the 7 win season average of the 3 previous regimes but not much.

 

The program as a whole is better now then it was when he got here but in my opinion kelly will never be more then an 8-9 win coach at this level with maybe an occasional tease once every 5 years and thats simply not good enough

 

That's pretty much where I am on this as well. I do think Kelly has done some very nice things, I just have no doubt that he's not going to get Notre Dame the rest of the way there.

We have the identity of an 8 win per season football program which is better then the 7 win season average of the 3 previous regimes but not much.

 

The program as a whole is better now then it was when he got here but in my opinion kelly will never be more then an 8-9 win coach at this level with maybe an occasional tease once every 5 years and thats simply not good enough

 

Agreed. Both CW and BK helped move the program along to at least the Davie level we now find ourselves at after the program-wrecking TW. But that ceiling is not good enough.

 

Surely Jenkins and Swarbrick understand the damage to the brand? Surely they too see the ceiling the program has reached? Surely they don't enjoy losing out on all the bowl and playoffs money due to 8 wins a year, right? Right???

Agreed. Both CW and BK helped move the program along to at least the Davie level we now find ourselves at after the program-wrecking TW. But that ceiling is not good enough.

 

Surely Jenkins and Swarbrick understand the damage to the brand? Surely they too see the ceiling the program has reached? Surely they don't enjoy losing out on all the bowl and playoffs money due to 8 wins a year, right? Right??? ��������

 

Let's hope so.

Agreed. Both CW and BK helped move the program along to at least the Davie level we now find ourselves at after the program-wrecking TW. But that ceiling is not good enough.

 

Surely Jenkins and Swarbrick understand the damage to the brand? Surely they too see the ceiling the program has reached? Surely they don't enjoy losing out on all the bowl and playoffs money due to 8 wins a year, right? Right??? ��������

 

Let's be honest here. As long as the money is rolling in and the graduation rate stays high and the kids stay out of trouble, the administration is happy.

Let's be honest here. As long as the money is rolling in and the graduation rate stays high and the kids stay out of trouble, the administration is happy.

 

Yeah? Will NBC be? Under Armour?

Let's be honest here. As long as the money is rolling in and the graduation rate stays high and the kids stay out of trouble, the administration is happy.

 

The same as they were after weis's fifth year? Think he wasn't graduating his players?

Let's be honest here. As long as the money is rolling in and the graduation rate stays high and the kids stay out of trouble, the administration is happy.

 

That's my point! The money from crappy bowls and non-playoff appearances is chump change! Ya think merch sales are big after 7-5 seasons? Hmmm?

 

This is hitting ND where it lives: in the pocket!

That's my point! The money from crappy bowls and non-playoff appearances is chump change! Ya think merch sales are big after 7-5 seasons? Hmmm?

 

This is hitting ND where it lives: in the pocket!

 

I don't think so. Notre Dame's revenues from donors are a mirror of our country's wealth distribution. They get most of their money from the Top 10% of donors, with the Top 1% donating huge sums. Drops in merchandise sales are a pittance compared to the what people like financier John Jay Jordan, who has given $150M so far, give.

I don't think so. Notre Dame's revenues from donors are a mirror of our country's wealth distribution. They get most of their money from the Top 10% of donors, with the Top 1% donating huge sums. Drops in merchandise sales are a pittance compared to the what people like financier John Jay Jordan, who has given $150M so far, give.

 

You're comparing apples to oranges. Alumni gifts are are what they are, though it's been proven that a winning football season increase alumni donations at every level. ND's brand is hurting, period. And to 98% of the world, ND's brand is ND football. They are costing themselves money by being mediocre. Period.

You're comparing apples to oranges. Alumni gifts are are what they are, though it's been proven that a winning football season increase alumni donations at every level. ND's brand is hurting, period. And to 98% of the world, ND's brand is ND football. They are costing themselves money by being mediocre. Period.

 

I hear where your coming from and sympathize, but ND's conception of what its brand is has changed from elite football based to elite academic based. The trustees and administration do not care that 98% of the world thinks that Notre Dame and football are essentially related imo. And the elite academic brand is doing quite well and is getting better with all the building investment that have been made to support undergraduate programs and graduate research. They have a 9 billion dollar endowment. They don't need football any more as long as they have people like Jordan whose dollars are not conditionally given based on the football brand being excellent.

We have an identity.

 

We are identified as the yongest team in the country.

I hear where your coming from and sympathize, but ND's conception of what its brand is has changed from elite football based to elite academic based. The trustees and administration do not care that 98% of the world thinks that Notre Dame and football are essentially related imo. And the elite academic brand is doing quite well and is getting better with all the building investment that have been made to support undergraduate programs and graduate research. They have a 9 billion dollar endowment. They don't need football any more as long as they have people like Jordan whose dollars are not conditionally given based on the football brand being excellent.

 

I think you are wrong. But you make cogent points.

We have an identity.

 

We are identified as the yongest team in the country.

 

Oh? Is this not Year 5? Why are we the youngest team? You seem to intimate that it's just "the breaks" why we are so young. Funny, I thought in Year 5 of a program you would not have this problem. And ya know what? Good programs don't...

And ripe with excuses as a fan base...

 

Should we prepare the excuses for next year to get them out so we can practice them and grow accustomed to them?

 

Can we use Too young again next year?

Injuries is always an awesome one

Getting back on point here, I ask: what is the identity of this program? We don't play smart. We don't play conservatively. We don't play WÍDE-open either. We aren't tough. We're not exactly soft though. We don't recruit at an elite level. But we don't recruit badly.

 

In a way, I am answering my own question. Our identity is mediocrity. Merely decent. In nearly every way...ugh...

Getting back on point here, I ask: what is the identity of this program? We don't play smart. We don't play conservatively. We don't play WÍDE-open either. We aren't tough. We're not exactly soft though. We don't recruit at an elite level. But we don't recruit badly.

 

In a way, I am answering my own question. Our identity is mediocrity. Merely decent. In nearly every way...ugh...

 

Sounds like how I would describe U of M... SMH