There is no need for a coaching change or sweeping changes in the program.

 

Everything ND needs to win 11, 12 games next year either boarded a bus outside the Coliseum late Saturday afternoon or was sitting back home in South Bend.

 

It was a bitterly frustrating year on so many levels, but you simply can't discount the toll the suspensions and injuries took on a very young team.

 

As I stood on the sideline yesterday I was astonished by how many true freshmen and backups were playing on defense. There is no way you can dip that deep into your depth chart and expect to compète.

 

For me the biggest disappointment was the regression of EG. He simply looked lost yesteray, and it's a look he's worn for a few weeks now.

 

He truly needs to take a step back and regroup. Whether he does or not remains to be seen.

 

On the flip side, Malik played, acted and looked the part of a quarterback a team can easily rally around. I reject the notion there was little to play for when he came in. He had EVERYTHING to play for and he responded when called upon.

 

He either wins the job or pushes EG to another level. ND benefits either way

 

The team I saw yesterday across the board just seemed emotionally and physically spent. Considering everything they've been through and how depleted they are, that isn't a big surprise.

 

On tip of that, they were down to backups of backups across the baits defensively.

 

I fully expect them to regroup over the next month and thus offseason and come back ready to contend for a playoff spit next season.

 

The talent is there, even if a lot of it was holed up in the emergency ward.

 

The coaching is there too.

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good post

 

until he proves it otherwise I'm all but done with EG

he does look confused, removed and uninterested even

 

I'm on the fence and in the wait and see boat about everything with ND football at the moment. I think it's a dumpster fire right now considering the losses, who they lost to and how they lost.

What exactly did the offense "go through" to make them perform so terribly yesterday? It was basically the same lineup that started the season. So, they had 12 games together to gel. The weather was perfect for a passing offense. With all that game experience and consistency, along with the weather, it was perfect conditions for this offense to win the game, or at least compete. Instead, they S$it the bed. There's no excuse for that. None.

lol, our fans have no expectations.

What exactly did the offense "go through" to make them perform so terribly yesterday? It was basically the same lineup that started the season. So, they had 12 games together to gel. The weather was perfect for a passing offense. With all that game experience and consistency, along with the weather, it was perfect conditions for this offense to win the game, or at least compete. Instead, they S$it the bed. There's no excuse for that. None.

 

I'd agree. Had ND lost 49-42, oh well, the D was young and injured.

 

The offense looked worse than the D and there is no excuse for that. The OLine has regressed. The QB regressed. The WR regressed. Other than Folston and maybe Fuller, can you point to one guy on offense who was better at years end?

 

5 years in and Kelly has an excuse for 4 of them. Maybe he doesn't need to be fired, but at some point he has to be held accountable. Everything can't just be bad luck. It isn't bad luck he developed basically 0 talent outnof the St and Jr classes other than a few lineman. It isn't bad luck he only recruited 1 MLB his first two years here, while he was running a 3-4 by the way. It isn't bad luck he is now 0-4 on QB development.

 

At some point it is all "bad luck" because the guy making the luck isn't as good as we thought.

 

Could be Kelly gets it all turned around, but 5 years is a pretty big sample size. Most coaches only last around 8.

Keep telling yourself these things, whatever helps you sleep at night I guess.

 

I am done with Kelly, never liked him that much and this season just did it for me. The team has quit on him, they aren't playing for him or buying into whatever he's selling. He is not a great coach and will never win a championship, he should be at a low level BCS school not ND.

 

He's a bum and if you see it otherwise your either hoping he does good cause you don't want a coaching change or just blind. Next year will be a wash with this staff, 8 wins is their ceiling and there is not tons of talent or depth either. USC has boatloads more talent than us.

 

If Wisconsin can do what they do there is no reason we can't win 10 games a year with a power run game. I can say we have more talent than them, it comes to coaching then and ours are not very good at all. BVG was with the fricken Jets last year for crying out loud.

Keep telling yourself these things, whatever helps you sleep at night I guess.

 

I am done with Kelly, never liked him that much and this season just did it for me. The team has quit on him, they aren't playing for him or buying into whatever he's selling. He is not a great coach and will never win a championship, he should be at a low level BCS school not ND.

 

He's a bum and if you see it otherwise your either hoping he does good cause you don't want a coaching change or just blind. Next year will be a wash with this staff, 8 wins is their ceiling and there is not tons of talent or depth either. USC has boatloads more talent than us.

 

If Wisconsin can do what they do there is no reason we can't win 10 games a year with a power run game. I can say we have more talent than them, it comes to coaching then and ours are not very good at all. BVG was with the fricken Jets last year for crying out loud.

 

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What exactly did the offense "go through" to make them perform so terribly yesterday?.

 

 

I'm glad you asked this.

 

If you go look at the open forum there is a thread in which grown men are discussing when they finally fell upon an emotional coping mechanism to deal with the ups and downs of a season they are so passionately invested in.

 

And how in their 20's ND losses would ruin them through the rest of the weekend and into the following week.

 

It's so interesting that they brought this subject up as I sometimes wonder if they realize the same type of toll a season takes on young players.

 

And I wonder why they dismiss the role those emotions can take on players while openly admitting they themselves are deeply affected by the roller coaster ride of a season.

 

Anyway, to answer your question I think the offense and team that showed up yesterday was emotionally spent from a series of gut wrenching losses and a ton of injuries.

 

It sucks. It's disappointing. You wish it didn't happen.

 

But I really believe this season simply caught up with a bunch of kids.

I'm glad you asked this.

 

If you go look at the open forum there is a thread in which grown men are discussing when they finally fell upon an emotional coping mechanism to deal with the ups and downs of a season they are so passionately invested in.

 

And how in their 20's ND losses would ruin them through the rest of the weekend and into the following week.

 

It's so interesting that they brought this subject up as I sometimes wonder if they realize the same type of toll a season takes on young players.

 

And I wonder why they dismiss the role those emotions can take on players while openly admitting they themselves are deeply affected by the roller coaster ride of a season.

 

Anyway, to answer your question I think the offense and team that showed up yesterday was emotionally spent from a series of gut wrenching losses and a ton of injuries.

 

It sucks. It's disappointing. You wish it didn't happen.

 

But I really believe this season simply caught up with a bunch of kids.

 

Isn't that the coaches job to make sure that doesn't happen?

 

Sure, come out flat vs Northwestern or something after a long year, I get it.

 

This was their biggest rival.

Isn't that the coaches job to make sure that doesn't happen?

 

Sure, come out flat vs Northwestern or something after a long year, I get it.

 

This was their biggest rival.

 

When you were a 19 year old kid were your parents/teachers/leaders completely in control of your emotions?

When you were a 19 year old kid were your parents/teachers/leaders completely in control of your emotions?

 

Well there you have it. We don't have tough young men who represent the Fighting Irish. We have weak, emotionally fragile kids in need of a hug.

 

God I hate the pu$$ification of our culture.

I'm glad you asked this.

 

If you go look at the open forum there is a thread in which grown men are discussing when they finally fell upon an emotional coping mechanism to deal with the ups and downs of a season they are so passionately invested in.

 

And how in their 20's ND losses would ruin them through the rest of the weekend and into the following week.

 

It's so interesting that they brought this subject up as I sometimes wonder if they realize the same type of toll a season takes on young players.

 

And I wonder why they dismiss the role those emotions can take on players while openly admitting they themselves are deeply affected by the roller coaster ride of a season.

 

Anyway, to answer your question I think the offense and team that showed up yesterday was emotionally spent from a series of gut wrenching losses and a ton of injuries.

 

It sucks. It's disappointing. You wish it didn't happen.

 

But I really believe this season simply caught up with a bunch of kids.

 

Wow. Just...wow. Are you being serious? I am really asking. This is such utter nonsense!

 

I also notice how you fail, yet again, to address how the poor, poor young players have had to play due to the failure of the COACHING STAFF to recruit and develop the junior and senior classes! Who else is this on in Year Five? How can you excuse the SAME things over and over again? Mediocre recruting, terrible QB development, lack of toughness, mental AND physical (save for '12 which we now see was basically due to T'eo & Kap) have been constants throughout these 5 years. Along with TO's. How blind must one be not to see these clearly?

 

The other constant over these 5 years, at least on this board amongst some of you is to praise BK when we win and blame the players when we lose. Which says something, I think...

Edited November 30, 201410 yr by BlackIrish42

When you were a 19 year old kid were your parents/teachers/leaders completely in control of your emotions?

 

At 19 you would lay down vs your biggest rival because you lost the weeks before?

 

USC has had injuries, is on probation, had the same record as ND, lost on a Hail Mary that cost them a shot at the conference title, had got blown out vs their other rival 1 week prior and they had no issue being up for the game.

 

Honestly. The USC and ND seasons are like mirror images.

 

Lost players to things beyond their control. Check.

 

Devastating last second loss to cost them season goals. Check.

 

Have to play a bunch of young players. Check.

 

Yet, they were excited and kicked ND's *** up and down the field.

Edited November 30, 201410 yr by corysold

This board needs to learn to embrace some middle ground. One minute ESPN is conspiring to screw us out of the playoffs. Now it's fire everyone and start over. I bet I can count the amount of regular poster who aren't grey or bald on one hand.

 

This team was always a year away and combine that with injuries, 2 new coordinators, the loss of key players to suspensions, and injuries, this what you get.

 

I also think this squad lost a little bit of spirit after the FSU game. They were robbed

 

And the coaching wasn't great. Kelly should have pulled Golson before he was totally destroyed mentally, Poor play calling and not have a DC who can adjust his strategy. By midseason my daughter knew all you had to do was go uptempo to beat our defense

 

I hope next year Kelly learns to make his best players and playmakers captains and not just give to someone as some type of gesture.

 

Next year will be better. I no longer expect a playoff run--too much bad luck.

 

With a reasonably healthy squad, we should be top 10 imo.

There is no need for a coaching change or sweeping changes in the program.

 

Everything ND needs to win 11, 12 games next year either boarded a bus outside the Coliseum late Saturday afternoon or was sitting back home in South Bend.

 

It was a bitterly frustrating year on so many levels, but you simply can't discount the toll the suspensions and injuries took on a very young team.

 

As I stood on the sideline yesterday I was astonished by how many true freshmen and backups were playing on defense. There is no way you can dip that deep into your depth chart and expect to compète.

 

For me the biggest disappointment was the regression of EG. He simply looked lost yesteray, and it's a look he's worn for a few weeks now.

 

He truly needs to take a step back and regroup. Whether he does or not remains to be seen.

 

On the flip side, Malik played, acted and looked the part of a quarterback a team can easily rally around. I reject the notion there was little to play for when he came in. He had EVERYTHING to play for and he responded when called upon.

 

He either wins the job or pushes EG to another level. ND benefits either way

 

The team I saw yesterday across the board just seemed emotionally and physically spent. Considering everything they've been through and how depleted they are, that isn't a big surprise.

 

On tip of that, they were down to backups of backups across the baits defensively.

 

I fully expect them to regroup over the next month and thus offseason and come back ready to contend for a playoff spit next season.

 

The talent is there, even if a lot of it was holed up in the emergency ward.

 

The coaching is there too.

 

Bwaa Hahahaha hahaha.

 

This is going the extra mile to avoid admitting you were wrong.

This board needs to learn to embrace some middle ground. One minute ESPN is conspiring to screw us out of the playoffs. Now it's fire everyone and start over. I bet I can count the amount of regular poster who aren't grey or bald on one hand.

 

This team was always a year away and combine that with injuries, 2 new coordinators, the loss of key players to suspensions, and injuries, this what you get.

 

I also think this squad lost a little bit of spirit after the FSU game. They were robbed

 

And the coaching wasn't great. Kelly should have pulled Golson before he was totally destroyed mentally, Poor play calling and not have a DC who can adjust his strategy. By midseason my daughter knew all you had to do was go uptempo to beat our defense

 

I hope next year Kelly learns to make his best players and playmakers captains and not just give to someone as some type of gesture.

 

Next year will be better. I no longer expect a playoff run--too much bad luck.

 

With a reasonably healthy squad, we should be top 10 imo.

 

You hope he learns next season? He's had 20 ****ing years to learn how to delegate captains. He's had 5.****ing years to get this figured out here. Would you guys stop making excuses for this guy. It really is embarrassing to have other fan bases call us the Fighting Excuses. And they are.right.

You hope he learns next season? He's had 20 ****ing years to learn how to delegate captains. He's had 5.****ing years to get this figured out here. Would you guys stop making excuses for this guy. It really is embarrassing to have other fan bases call us the Fighting Excuses. And they are.right.

 

Kelly is never going to get it done, so we agree there. However, who the hell cares what other fan bases think?

I bet I can count the amount of regular poster who aren't grey or bald on one hand.

 

First off it's FOLLICLY CHALLENGED, not bald. Second, it's a serious affliction that effects millions of Americans a year and hampers their ability in bars with women half their age. It's no laughing matter bro. Currently the only cure is a basebald cap, and that is only temporary. We need to come together as a society and crush this epidemic. Ebola, eschmola. GIVE ME HAIR.

 

As far as Kelly is concerned, unless the leopard changes his spots, ND has reached it's ceiling under him. Sure he might go on another season for the ages, but I think it'll end with an *** whooping just like the last one did. The guy is a good coach, but not a great coach. The complete inability to change your offensive strategy when it's not working, and continuing to blindly insert a turnover prone QB, he's lost my confidence. He does have a great head of hair though.

There is no need for a coaching change or sweeping changes in the program.

 

Everything ND needs to win 11, 12 games next year either boarded a bus outside the Coliseum late Saturday afternoon or was sitting back home in South Bend.

 

It was a bitterly frustrating year on so many levels, but you simply can't discount the toll the suspensions and injuries took on a very young team.

 

As I stood on the sideline yesterday I was astonished by how many true freshmen and backups were playing on defense. There is no way you can dip that deep into your depth chart and expect to compète.

 

For me the biggest disappointment was the regression of EG. He simply looked lost yesteray, and it's a look he's worn for a few weeks now.

 

He truly needs to take a step back and regroup. Whether he does or not remains to be seen.

 

On the flip side, Malik played, acted and looked the part of a quarterback a team can easily rally around. I reject the notion there was little to play for when he came in. He had EVERYTHING to play for and he responded when called upon.

 

He either wins the job or pushes EG to another level. ND benefits either way

 

The team I saw yesterday across the board just seemed emotionally and physically spent. Considering everything they've been through and how depleted they are, that isn't a big surprise.

 

On tip of that, they were down to backups of backups across the baits defensively.

 

I fully expect them to regroup over the next month and thus offseason and come back ready to contend for a playoff spit next season.

 

The talent is there, even if a lot of it was holed up in the emergency ward.

 

The coaching is there too.

 

You made no critique of the coaching, play calling or defensive scheme. If what you wrote is your only defense of this season's outcome, I feel your opinion is a short sighted.

 

And ps ... I read your opening post and responded before I read any others. Just wanted you to know I wasn't piling on.

Edited December 1, 201410 yr by VCDomer

lol, our fans have no expectations.

 

Where have you been buddy? You act like we've enjoyed the recent success of Ohio State or Texas.

 

We haven't won a NC since 88 if you can't remember and our program has been just short of a dumpster fire for the better part of 96 - 2011.

 

We are managing our expectations. If you think a 5 year revolving door for every coach who can't get a championship is a bit ludicrous.

 

We are clearly trending in the right direction and just suffered a beat down which shook the confidence of even the most optimistic of us.

 

Re-f*cking- lax troll.

Edited December 1, 201410 yr by JTennant