Watching TCU over the last few years makes me question many things.

I am NOT a Gary Patterson fan. I believe there are details in his personal life that may be questionable.

What cannot be disputed, however, is his ability to coach.

If you look at his recruits, the VAST majority are 3 star calibre, with a few 4 and 2 stars thrown in the mix.

He rarely if ever brings in the great QB recruit. This year's QB played wide receiver much of last year.

TCU is full of what might otherwise be considered a bunch of misfit toys.

Yet somehow he makes it work more often than not.

You might argue the Big 12 conference is weak on a yearly basis.

Yet, if ND were to beat Oklahoma and Texas in the same season we would be screaming from the rooftops how great ND must be.

Gary Patterson makes chicken soup out of chicken excrement almost every year.

TCU graduates 80% of their players.

It just bugs me that TCU has been able to do so much with so little in the last 5, even 10, years, while ND struggles mightily.

And, while ND did play in the championship game 2 years ago, they didn't finish ranked in the top 2. TCU finished ranked number 2 after beating Wisconsin in the Rose bowl just a few years ago.

Why TCU? Why not Notre Dame ?

Guys, I know Gary Patterson well. He is a man of upstanding character and is very well respected in Fort Worth. He does not make excuses for when the program struggles. As you mentioned earlier he does a great job in coaching up players. His players like to play hard for him. Gary Patterson is your average Joe, he eats with the kids at everyone's favorite breakfast spot Yogis, and his regular he seen around town and is a very approachable person. Character is not an issue with Gary Patterson. Fort Worth is a very small big town and everyone knows everyone. He's a good man.

Guys, I know Gary Patterson well. He is a man of upstanding character and is very well respected in Fort Worth. He does not make excuses for when the program struggles. As you mentioned earlier he does a great job in coaching up players. His players like to play hard for him. Gary Patterson is your average Joe, he eats with the kids at everyone's favorite breakfast spot Yogis, and his regular he seen around town and is a very approachable person. Character is not an issue with Gary Patterson. Fort Worth is a very small big town and everyone knows everyone. He's a good man.

 

He is respected. He can coach. His players absolutely play hard for him. He does a lot of things the right way. Lots of things to like.

And, Fort Worth IS a small big town.

We will just have to disagree on the character issue.

Edited November 28, 201410 yr by Kelly Gruene

What character issues? Two posters have said opposite things, what issues are you talking about?

He seems to love it there so I doubt if he'd ever come here. I would trade him for Kelly in less than a heartbeat. If we threw in Golson, do you think they'd trade? Lol

What character issues? Two posters have said opposite things, what issues are you talking about?

 

The focus of the thread really isn't about character issues. It's about: why can TCU do it while ND can't? TCU takes a bunch of 'nobodies' and turns them into a team that plays 'above their paygrade'. 80% of their kids graduate.

What's up with that?

Unfortunately, like most.coaches, I don't think he would want to put up with the bullshit at Notre Dame. No juco's, no say in player discipline, no oversigning, no courses for athletes, no exceptions in admissions. Kelly is about the best we are going to get and you see where that gets us. 7-5

The focus of the thread really isn't about character issues. It's about: why can TCU do it while ND can't? TCU takes a bunch of 'nobodies' and turns them into a team that plays 'above their paygrade'. 80% of their kids graduate.

What's up with that?

 

You brought up the character issues...please feel free to share if you are going to question a man's character...

The focus of the thread really isn't about character issues. It's about: why can TCU do it while ND can't? TCU takes a bunch of 'nobodies' and turns them into a team that plays 'above their paygrade'. 80% of their kids graduate.

What's up with that?

 

They must not be doing it the right way, since they are winning.

http://collegesportsblog.dallasnews.com/2010/10/gary-patterson-berated-doctor-over-hurt.html/

 

This is my guess as to what hes talking about, I would question his character as well

There are two sides to every story, BJ Catalon, TCU's best running back is now sitting because of a concussion. He is been out three weeks and may not play the rest of the year. I doubt that is what the other poster was talking about because it was really a non-issue. Gary is divorced like 60% of the country so I'm guessing he's not judging from that standpoint either. He is extremely well respected amongst his peers but I guess you can't be liked by everybody. I was at the TCU Texas game yesterday and Gary came to the sidelines and tossed the game ball to the fans. We love the guy! I think Gary would be great at Notre Dame but I'm thrilled we have him at TCU.

Unfortunately, like most.coaches, I don't think he would want to put up with the bullshit at Notre Dame. No juco's, no say in player discipline, no oversigning, no courses for athletes, no exceptions in admissions. Kelly is about the best we are going to get and you see where that gets us. 7-5

 

Sorry, but what you described at ND is not bull$37@! It is called winning the right way and not bending the rules in any way, shape or form.

Basically, this is what is wrong with society in a nutshell today. The difference between right and wrong is no longer black and white but gray. Blur the rules a bit to get to the top any way you can.

Sad, sad times!

He has been in the Big 12 3 years.

 

7-6 overall 4-5 conference his first year.

 

4-8 2-7 last year.

 

Now this year is good. But he isn't exactly rearing it up every year. He has been over .500 1 year out of 3 in conference play.

 

Kelly had unbeaten years in lower levels too with iffy talent, now you all want him gone.

Unfortunately, like most.coaches, I don't think he would want to put up with the bullshit at Notre Dame. No juco's, no say in player discipline, no oversigning, no courses for athletes, no exceptions in admissions. Kelly is about the best we are going to get and you see where that gets us. 7-5

 

You've posted nothing but garbage for a few days...

 

Kelly had unbeaten years in lower levels too with iffy talent, now you all want him gone.

 

I'm not ready to go there. But he needs a huge year next year or the seat will, rightfully in my opinion, get really hot.

 

This has been such a strange year. I haven't fully digested it. I have to see how they finish and I need some detachment to solidify my opinion.

Cory this is a Notre Dame board and not a A Gary Patterson is a great coach board. I could go on forever and talk about statistics and losses and injuries and arrests and ways to discipline about TCU but that is not the point. If TCU and Notre Dame played I do not know who I would root for but what I do know is that we are thrilled with Gary Patterson and have been for a long time. He is well liked, well respected in the community, amongst other coaches and by his players. TCU has nowhere near the tradition Notre Dame has, nowhere near the recruits, and we have a difficult time putting 48,000 people in the stands. Notre Dame regardless of academic requirements has all the talent they need to have 9+ wins every year.

He has been in the Big 12 3 years.

 

7-6 overall 4-5 conference his first year.

 

4-8 2-7 last year.

 

Now this year is good. But he isn't exactly rearing it up every year. He has been over .500 1 year out of 3 in conference play.

 

Kelly had unbeaten years in lower levels too with iffy talent, now you all want him gone.

 

Exactly, well said

Not to take anything away from TCUs season, but didn't half of the team get caught up in some sort of drug use/drug selling scandal a few years back? What ever happened with that?

Do you guys want to talk about TCU football? Do you want to know what happened to years ago?

Do you guys want to talk about TCU football? Do you want to know what happened to years ago?

 

I would like to know about the drug scandal. Im not bashing either, just curious as to what it was all about?

I would like to know about the drug scandal. Im not bashing either, just curious as to what it was all about?

 

Agree. For some reason I formed the opinion that Patterson turned a blind eye with this. I have absolutely nothing to back this up with Though. Just got an uneasy feeling from the media outlets at the time. For all I know he could be ST. Christopher.