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I support Brian Kelly and hope he stays and improves both as a coach . I think he has improved the competitiveness of the program. The blowouts losses where we were not competitive have largely disappeared. We are a better conditioned program and even while decimated by injuries still are competitive.

 

That being said, a couple of things concern me. One is the way he handled the holder/Brindza situation. Kyle Brindza has been a reliable kicker throughout his career who will leave ND with kicking records. Yet, late in his senior year Kelly seemingly said to Brindza "I'm making a change, deal with it". Though younger players need to understand that there are rules and practices that are not negotiable, a 4th year player-particularly a skill position player where the margin for error is small- needs to be treated differently imo. Brindza should have been consulted and I think Kelly should have deferred to his opinion of what the best course of action should be after the Arizona game. He had earned that respect over 4 years, but I don't think Kelly gave it to him, which is troubling. We all know what the result was.

 

The other thing that troubled me was Cam McDaniel's fumble against Northwestern. When you're building a successful program, your seniors must be reliable in game closing situations. They deliver. All the time. That's how it works with successful programs. The fact that 4 years into the program Cam didn't deliver concerns me. Older players must deliver, and both Cam and Brindza did not down the stretch resulting in two losses that should have been wins. Whatever the reasons are for this, Kelly needs to find out. He'll never have a consistently successful program without the older guys delivering in the clutch. He has taken a step backward this year. Let's hope its a one year anomaly in an upward trending program.

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Save for one season, Kelly has been very average. Hire Petrino, Patterson, etc.

Save for one season, Kelly has been very average. Hire Petrino, Patterson, etc.

 

Petrino, are you serious?

Petrino, are you serious?

 

Sure, he's a winner. Patterson, Dantonio and even Butch Jones while we are at it.

These are the only coaches I would prefer to Kelly

 

Stoops- OU

Petersen- UW

Sumlin- A&M

Meyer- OSU

Saban- Bama

Malzahn- Auburn

Mullen- MSU

Dantonio- MSU

Patterson- TCU

Graham- ASU

Bielema- Arkansas

 

Anyone have any others...I think the only one we have a "good" chance at getting on that list is Graham

The fumble against NW bothered me a ton.

 

Ball security is the reason he should ever see the field. He is supposed to be reliable. If he's going to fumble in a critical situation, I can't justify why he plays at all. He is clearly the least talented back in the rotation.

 

I'd have no problem if he watches from the sidelines when I am there tomorrow. In fact., I'd prefer it.

These are the only coaches I would prefer to Kelly

 

Stoops- OU

Petersen- UW

Sumlin- A&M

Meyer- OSU

Saban- Bama

Malzahn- Auburn

Mullen- MSU

Dantonio- MSU

Patterson- TCU

Graham- ASU

Bielema- Arkansas

 

Anyone have any others...I think the only one we have a "good" chance at getting on that list is Graham

 

Sadly probably not one on that list would take the job.

These are the only coaches I would prefer to Kelly

 

Stoops- OU

Petersen- UW

Sumlin- A&M

Meyer- OSU

Saban- Bama

Malzahn- Auburn

Mullen- MSU

Dantonio- MSU

Patterson- TCU

Graham- ASU

Bielema- Arkansas

 

Anyone have any others...I think the only one we have a "good" chance at getting on that list is Graham

 

I have to see Sumlin do more without Johnny before I can lump him in and I saw the Todd Graham debacle that was his term at Pittsburgh hes not a program builder at all dont believe the hype.

 

The others I would agree with but lets not forget Kelly was these guys before he came here and look what happened. And sadly as others have said it would be highly unlikely any of these guys would take the job if offered

Sure, he's a winner. Patterson, Dantonio and even Butch Jones while we are at it.

 

Seriously? GET THE F*** OUT OF HERE. We beat Dantonio the last couple years...

 

Did you wake up and were like, Damn I had too much turkey. I think I need to troll DD all day?

 

Butch Jones followed Brian Kelly in his last two stops and had less success with a fully stocked cupboard, relatively speaking.

 

Butch Jones will be out in 2 more years at Tennessee. You can put that in writing.

Save for one season, Kelly has been very average. Hire Petrino, Patterson, etc.

 

Petrino could win 5 national title in a row and he would not be able to sniff the ND job with his track record of jumping from program to program and private life travails.

The fumble against NW bothered me a ton.

 

Ball security is the reason he should ever see the field. He is supposed to be reliable. If he's going to fumble in a critical situation, I can't justify why he plays at all. He is clearly the least talented back in the rotation.

 

I'd have no problem if he watches from the sidelines when I am there tomorrow. In fact., I'd prefer it.[/quote

 

Take it easy on the kid. He has been as reliable a back for four years as anyone. Spectacular? No. But very, very reliable when asked to carry the load. We are all human and make mistakes -- daily. That fumble crushed him. Also, did you see him weeping on the sidleines after the loss to L'ville?

He's a true Domer. Cut him some slack!

Seriously? GET THE F*** OUT OF HERE. We beat Dantonio the last couple years...

 

Did you wake up and were like, Damn I had too much turkey. I think I need to troll DD all day?

 

Butch Jones followed Brian Kelly in his last two stops and had less success with a fully stocked cupboard, relatively speaking.

 

Butch Jones will be out in 2 more years at Tennessee. You can put that in writing.

 

And Dantonio ' s team has had a enter team the last two years. Only reason we beat them last year was because of all those pi calls. They had a better year last year and certainly a better one this year. Butch Jones has UT playing much better now. He's doing it the right way by building a.foundation. He's also not going through Qb's like water.

 

Kelly has.been here FIVE years now. His program should be humming right now. It's on life support. We are tired of the excuses. You don't hear any excuses from Ohio State do you? They lost their starting QB weeks before the season and had to use a freshmen. They are still killing it.

Petrino could win 5 national title in a row and he would not be able to sniff the ND job with his track record of jumping from program to program and private life travails.

 

lol. if Petrino won 5 national titles in a row, he'd probably just stay at louisville.

 

but i get your point.

And Dantonio ' s team has had a enter team the last two years. Only reason we beat them last year was because of all those pi calls. They had a better year last year and certainly a better one this year. Butch Jones has UT playing much better now. He's doing it the right way by building a.foundation. He's also not going through Qb's like water.

 

Kelly has.been here FIVE years now. His program should be humming right now. It's on life support. We are tired of the excuses. You don't hear any excuses from Ohio State do you? They lost their starting QB weeks before the season and had to use a freshmen. They are still killing it.

 

If you have such a hard on for OSU, then by all means dump the Irish and just become one of them.

Out of the numerous of "ND Sucks" and "Fire Kelly" threads currently within our 3 page deep, Revolver has to pick the one offering support of the coaching staff to rain down more of the same. You know, because it hasn't been heard before.

 

And comparing OSU's bullshet schedule & healthy defense to ND's current crap of affairs is asinine. ND's probably the most unlucky team I have ever seen...

And Dantonio ' s team has had a enter team the last two years. Only reason we beat them last year was because of all those pi calls. They had a better year last year and certainly a better one this year. Butch Jones has UT playing much better now. He's doing it the right way by building a.foundation. He's also not going through Qb's like water.

 

Kelly has.been here FIVE years now. His program should be humming right now. It's on life support. We are tired of the excuses. You don't hear any excuses from Ohio State do you? They lost their starting QB weeks before the season and had to use a freshmen. They are still killing it.

 

So we can't make excuses but you can make excuses as to why Dantonio's team lost? Make excuses that we were screwed by refs who didn't call offensive PI on their whole ****ing team during a fake FG.

 

You can not use your bullshit as both a sword and a shield.

 

Maybe you're just on one, because we all get that way but you're being extra trollish today.

 

OSU lost their starting QB who is backed up by someone better than Tommy Rees. They didn't lose 15 key players to suspension and injury either before the season or during. Also their QB is arguably the younger version of his predecessor where as Tommy Rees was clearly a different type of QB than EG.

 

I get that you're tired of excuses. We all are, but facts are facts. You can be mad that Everett is not tough enough to hold onto the ball, because ultimately that comes back on the head coach. If you want to bitch and moan that he didn't have enough control over the kids that were kicked off, then sure...

 

We have our gripes with coach, and I have a lot of them, but the main thing that we have now and we haven't in over 12 years is that our kids are fighting hard no matter the circumstances and we are playing highly ranked teams in competitive games.

 

We are not getting mercy killed by the beavers 41-9, losing 38-0 to a Rival Michigan team or embarrassed 38-0 by FSU after we pull out a fluke.

 

Your argument for Butch Jones will need another season to prove your point. If your point is that they look good in losses, seems a bit stupid given the context of your trolling. They were beat handily by Oklahoma and Alabama. They were lucky that Bama got up big early and changed the playcalling complexion of the game. Bama took their foot off the gas pedal.

 

However, if you've watched more Tennessee games than I have and know more about the program to inherently "FEEL" that they are trending in the right direction, why don't you trade your blue and gold for some volunteer orange.

 

I know for sure that I won't miss you.

 

There are 20 reasons for both sides of the fence, but what you can't BS is your eye test. If you feel that without a few turnovers and some better injury luck that we wouldn't be in the playoff discussion, then I can't really help you.

Sure, he's a winner. Patterson, Dantonio and even Butch Jones while we are at it.

 

What the hell has butch jones ever done?

Save for one season, Kelly has been very average. Hire Petrino, Patterson, etc.

 

Wow...excellent insight... I mean are you F'ing kidding...? Hire Petrino? U may as well throw in Butch Davis or Lane Kiffin or Pete Carroll or any other coach without any character. Your analysis is superficial and weak about Kelly being average, too. You're only going on record? Awesome...glad you're showing capability for higher thought.

Revolver, although I don't agree with everything, has a point when he said: "it's been five years, the program should be humming". Can anyone really disagree with that? Look at guys like Stoops, Saban, Miles, Meyers, Spurrier, Carrol, Chip Kelly, Harbaugh, Fisher, Briles and their first 5 years.

 

I'm not saying that BK should be fired. The program has improved. That does't mean we're ever going to see a consistent 10+ winning seasons again. And I realize that some of the coaches/programs mentioned above come at the expense of other things that ND is not willing to negotiate on; however, if that's your excuse/reason, then it's a good chance we'll never see 10+ wins as the norm regardless of the HC.

 

I'm just saying the OP is not crazy for saying that 5 years is time enough to be "humming" as a program when it's clear other top tier programs have done so.

Notre Dame doesn't have the reload capability, in my opinion, when early departures happen.

 

and we we suffer massive injuries, the lack of depth hurts us even more in the course of the season.

 

Hopefully, this nucleus can stay together.

 

Kelly's teams have always been pretty decent defensively at ND, and this year we are giving up points not seen. And haven't crunched the numbers but are we averaging a high in points per game on offense under BK even with all the turnovers.

 

I go back to this. The game so much about making plays on the field. When you miss opportunities it costs you. We have missed too many in the second half.

Notre Dame doesn't have the reload capability, in my opinion, when early departures happen.

 

and we we suffer massive injuries, the lack of depth hurts us even more in the course of the season.

 

so you agree it's obvious BK needs to recruit better

hard to have dependable depth when each recruiting class is so top heavy, having 10 players with verbals ranked as 3 stars this early puzzles me

(again it's easy to question the depth under the circumstances)

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