Posted November 25, 201410 yr This will really make you scratch your head. http://www.csnchicago.com/notre-dame/notre-dame-not-giving-demoted-max-redfield-elijah-shumate I don't even know how you are supposed to feel as a player. Wow.
November 25, 201410 yr Collinsworth with one good arm is better than Shumate with two? Both Shumate and Redfield aren't practicing well enough to get any reps in the game on defense? OK... At this point can I safely say that BK is not the greatest motivator in the world?
November 25, 201410 yr I've never been a huge fan of coaches that make personnel decisions based on practice because there are have been players that didn't practice well but still played well in games and vice versa.
November 25, 201410 yr I've never been a huge fan of coaches that make personnel decisions based on practice because there are have been players that didn't practice well but still played well in games and vice versa. I was one of those in soccer. Never practiced all that well, but I did very well in games. The rush just got to me. Almost lost my starting job because of practice. Then the coach told me he was crazy to ever consider benching me... Getting a hat trick will do that for ya I guess. God, I miss competitive soccer.
November 25, 201410 yr Let's see how much BK wants to win this game against usc. IF he wants to win, Redfield and Shumate need to play. They have basically had a 2 game suspension for not practicing well. Sure they have missed assignments, but who on this defense hasn't. Right now, they are better options than Tranquill and Collinsworth.
November 25, 201410 yr I don't see all of the hate on Kelly. If you watch the ASU game Elijiah and Max have a ton of growing up to do. It's part of the maturation process.
November 25, 201410 yr This is the one thing that's annoyed me more than losing because it makes no sense. It's as if we're trying to lose. They're better, so they should play. Hoosier I miss college soccer too man. I liked soccer more than football and ice hockey. Just loved playing it with my teammates. But I've known so many guys that just came alive during games in college and were lazy in practice. It still doesn't make sense to me, but some guys need to know it really matters in order to flip that switch. Been a sad couple of weeks for Irish fans. Sickening. I don't think I've ever been more disappointed with Irish football. Hopefully we beat SC. I would be content with a win over the Cali boys.
November 25, 201410 yr This is a case where coach should've been vagued and very undetailed. No need to offer up these details whatsoever, everyone kinda looks bad on these statements except for Collinsworth and Drue
November 25, 201410 yr In my opinion Coach Kelly was very gentle and nice to the young team. It hasn't worked out because all of the mental mistakes haven't been cleaned up. He is now turning to tough love for better or worse. Can't keep doing the same gentle approach.
November 25, 201410 yr In my opinion Coach Kelly was very gentle and nice to the young team. It hasn't worked out because all of the mental mistakes haven't been cleaned up. He is now turning to tough love for better or worse. Can't keep doing the same gentle approach. Both are good players. I think they pulled up a little on some plays in games and coaches is making a point it is 100% all the time. If you are not giving 100% the players that are will. He'd try to make each kid reach his potential.
November 25, 201410 yr Reading that I now truly believe Kelly has no fricken idea what he's doing. Or maybe he does: This from Eric Hanson "The best parallel to this situation came in 2010, and there was a happy ending in that instance. Linebacker Brian Smith and running back Robert Hughes were both slow to buy into Kelly and his philosophy. That’s a line you can’t cross with him. It’s non-negotiable, right or wrong. Playing a less-experienced or less-talented player in the interim or inciting an eventual transfer by a player is a consequence Kelly is willing to live with for the greater good of the team. Eventually Smith and Hughes became two of the key figures in ND’s late-season resurgence in 2010, and to this day thank Kelly for the hard line he took four years ago with both of them."
November 25, 201410 yr I don't see all of the hate on Kelly. If you watch the ASU game Elijiah and Max have a ton of growing up to do. It's part of the maturation process. Benching players because they have to show more in practice and need to get better on the field, but leaving a turnover machine in and not benching him for a series or two is contradictory. Its sets a double standard.
November 25, 201410 yr In my opinion Coach Kelly was very gentle and nice to the young team. It hasn't worked out because all of the mental mistakes haven't been cleaned up. He is now turning to tough love for better or worse. Can't keep doing the same gentle approach. See... Everett Golson for the contradiciton
November 25, 201410 yr In a vacuum, all the points here would be sound. And, if football teams existed in a vacuum, all of us would be viable alternatives to Kelly. When you lose a TON of leadership on the defense over the course of the year, someone like collinsworth takes on an added level of importance. We have NOONE to act as field general if you take Austin off the field. Jaylon smith and/or day are your next best options and neither of them is very good for various reasons. This is why the loss of Schmidt is doubly painful. And, to compare this to Golson is silly. There are few if any parallels between Golson/Zaire and our safety situation. On its surface, sure, it all sounds like it's apples to apples. But, the offense has its share of challenges and its a helluva lot more challenging to cover for deficiencies at QB than it is safety. And, of course, that's working under a model where you're operating in a vacuum. If kelly has no frickin' idea about what he's doing after THIRTY years straight of coaching, what the hell do we know? That's not to say he's infallible, clearly he's far from that, but only to point out that all of our answers seem wonderful because they have yet to play out. Is now the time to trot out Andrew Hendrix, Sophomore Zeke Motta, Sophomore Harrison Smith? all of whom were thrust into lineups out of desperation and all of who earned the ire of the irish faithful.
November 25, 201410 yr Shumate & Redfield played pretty well during the first seven games...... Maybe they stunk it up against ASU but this NOT PRACTICING WELL seems like some kind of punishment for an ASU game that was pretty poor in many respects..... Collinsworth and Tranquill have been REALLY BAD---- The irony here is that these last two games WERE so CLOSE ....simply letting our best two safeties continue to play might very well have been the WINNING DIFFERENCE! We could be 9-2 instead of 7-4 without this DISCRETIONARY switch from our two best safeties to a freshman and a guy coming off serious injury.... HEAD SCRATCHER is a very generous assessment of the coach The DISTURBING thing here is that this entire seasons TURN SOUTH seems like it may have been prevented by a FEW NORMAL DECISIONS BY THE COACH INSTEAD OF HIS INTUITION RUNNING WILD Go for one when you should Take a knee and burn all but 20 seconds Leave your best players IN THE FREAKIN GAME irrespective of your practice complaints Keep the original holder and make him keep the gloves.... THOSE FEW THINGS.....Irrespective of turnovers/ injuries/suspensions etc And most likely the season would have been salvaged---9-2 SOME REALLY DUMBFOUNDING AND STUPID MOVES BY KELLY IN THE SECOND HALF OF THIS SEASON.... aloha
November 25, 201410 yr SOME REALLY DUMBFOUNDING AND STUPID MOVES BY KELLY IN THE SECOND HALF OF THIS SEASON.... aloha The understatement of the season.
November 25, 201410 yr Benching players because they have to show more in practice and need to get better on the field, but leaving a turnover machine in and not benching him for a series or two is contradictory. Its sets a double standard. Probably. But I also think the QB position is such a remarkably different animal it's virtually a given the handling of it would seem contradictory compared to others. It's just something you have to weigh and balance. And while the double-standard might seem glaring from the outside, I think the team itself understands EG is the leader of this team so I don't believe anyone is grumbling about him being handled differently than others.
November 25, 201410 yr Benching players because they have to show more in practice and need to get better on the field, but leaving a turnover machine in and not benching him for a series or two is contradictory. Its sets a double standard. It is not a contradiction... he values commitment to his program / values over physical competence. if you're going to "miss" ... he'd rather you miss because of lack of talent than lack of effort or commitment.
This will really make you scratch your head.
http://www.csnchicago.com/notre-dame/notre-dame-not-giving-demoted-max-redfield-elijah-shumate
I don't even know how you are supposed to feel as a player. Wow.