While EG was somewhat better, Kelly don't seem to have a lot of faith in Malik. I never believed the hype cbk was dishing out over the spring, summer and fall about how close the competition was but damn. BK had a short leash in the past and yanked EG for far less reckless play. He benched the holder and still not sure what elijah and max did so bad. Just seems like he don't have much faith in Zaire which is odd since they were "neck and neck" for so long.

I've wondered that myself and think it's odd that Kelly, who has shown no compunction regarding swapping out QBs in the past, would not at least sit Golson for a series or two when his head clearly wasn't in the game like the first half yesterday.

 

Maybe all the hype back in the spring was his way of giving the impression that he wasn't handing the starter job to Golson on a silver platter following his suspension. As you said, if they were truly neck and neck, there is no reason to not give him a shot in some of these games where Golson has been terrible about turning the ball over which has been most of the past month and a half.

I'll say this. Kelly knew what He had in Hendrix and Crist, and knew that Golson wasn't ready in 2011. The only question is why didn't he give Gunner a chance? So far from far I'll have to say he's been spot on about his QBs. My guess is that Malik is simply not ready.

Golson is our best chance to win... That's why Kelly sticks with him.

If he thought for a second MZ would win us games he would be in already.

if we lose to SC because of TO issues, look for BK to open the competition for the bowl game.

Personally, I think Golson is too comfortable being "the guy". With nobody nipping at his heels, he continues to make critical errors. I am absolutely baffled that he wasn't pulled in the Northwestern game. 20 turnovers in the last 8 games is the sign of somebody that isn't playing like they are scared for their job. Doesn't have to be the entire game or half, but put the next guy in for several series, if for nothing else, to send a very clear message. I'm tired of the "he understands that he cannot turn the ball over" routine. He understood that in 7th grade. This is major D1 football. Turn it over, sit. Not very difficult IMHO.

Personally, I think Golson is too comfortable being "the guy". With nobody nipping at his heels, he continues to make critical errors. I am absolutely baffled that he wasn't pulled in the Northwestern game. 20 turnovers in the last 8 games is the sign of somebody that isn't playing like they are scared for their job. Doesn't have to be the entire game or half, but put the next guy in for several series, if for nothing else, to send a very clear message. I'm tired of the "he understands that he cannot turn the ball over" routine. He understood that in 7th grade. This is major D1 football. Turn it over, sit. Not very difficult IMHO.

 

I agree with this, especially after the sideline display on Saturday. I though the way he kept turning away from CBK and trying to walk away was totally disrespectful. if that was my Mom I woulda been slapped. Golson is a problem right now. He doesn't seem to be as mature as everyone previously thought coming off the suspension.

Golson is our best chance to win... That's why Kelly sticks with him.

If he thought for a second MZ would win us games he would be in already.

 

I know... it's just weird how close they were suppose to be talentwise in the pre season.

I though the way he kept turning away from CBK and trying to walk away was totally disrespectful.

 

did you catch BK say 'don't you f@#$ing walk away from me' during the game?

did you catch BK say 'don't you f@#$ing walk away from me' during the game?

 

He's been doing that since the day he stepped on campus and BK is responsible for that because he hasn't done anything about it...

He's been doing that since the day he stepped on campus and BK is responsible for that because he hasn't done anything about it...

 

I kind of feel like it is a personality issue with Golson. I don't think it is intentionally disrespectful or anything of the sort. He strikes me as a real introvert, an odd choice for a ND QB, but there it is. Some of the awe shucks people see and the walking away from confrontation, that isn't him blowing BK off, that is just him avoiding something he doesn't know how to handle.

 

He has always struck me as shy and quiet. I understand, I do the same things. I hate to see lost games because of TOs, but it is what it is. These guys are not machines you know, they have personalities (And personality issues) too. A recruit is like a boat, try to take just part of him and the whole thing sinks.

 

BK is not the kind of guy for someone like Golson, plain and simple. He doesn't have the patience to coach a kid out of this slump. He has been patient, for sure, but I don't think he knows how to get EG back on his feet.

 

And not just BK, tons of other D1 coaches can say the same thing, but he is just his second year in, expectations are high because his first year was huge, but our defense was a monster in 2012 and Tommy could come in as a cooler if things starting going wrong, both of those things are gone. Frankly, I think ND needs to frontload their schedule better. Their conditioning is not good enough right now to have the back end of their schedule be heavy. The O-line is battered, our defense is a wreck, we are swapping out pieces at game 11, that is not good.

 

All that said, we expected more from Golson than we got because he looked great his first couple of games back and he looked great in 2012, but this is what we have.

 

I don't see him or BK being in a different role next year than they are, ride the ship and let's hope the work pays off. Let's get some bodies in their on defense for the love of sweet merciful God, I am starting to think I want Robinson out there in coverage.

I kind of feel like it is a personality issue with Golson. I don't think it is intentionally disrespectful or anything of the sort. He strikes me as a real introvert, an odd choice for a ND QB, but there it is. Some of the awe shucks people see and the walking away from confrontation, that isn't him blowing BK off, that is just him avoiding something he doesn't know how to handle.

 

He has always struck me as shy and quiet. I understand, I do the same things. I hate to see lost games because of TOs, but it is what it is. These guys are not machines you know, they have personalities (And personality issues) too. A recruit is like a boat, try to take just part of him and the whole thing sinks.

 

BK is not the kind of guy for someone like Golson, plain and simple. He doesn't have the patience to coach a kid out of this slump. He has been patient, for sure, but I don't think he knows how to get EG back on his feet.

 

And not just BK, tons of other D1 coaches can say the same thing, but he is just his second year in, expectations are high because his first year was huge, but our defense was a monster in 2012 and Tommy could come in as a cooler if things starting going wrong, both of those things are gone. Frankly, I think ND needs to frontload their schedule better. Their conditioning is not good enough right now to have the back end of their schedule be heavy. The O-line is battered, our defense is a wreck, we are swapping out pieces at game 11, that is not good.

 

All that said, we expected more from Golson than we got because he looked great his first couple of games back and he looked great in 2012, but this is what we have.

 

I don't see him or BK being in a different role next year than they are, ride the ship and let's hope the work pays off. Let's get some bodies in their on defense for the love of sweet merciful God, I am starting to think I want Robinson out there in coverage.

 

You may be right here... but that's why we have more than 1 QB. It's BK's job to do his best to put the kid in position to succeed.... which BK has done with Golson. Golson has to take it upon himself to progress and fix the issues. If he doesnt, I have no problem with BK making a change at the QB position. As other's have stated, Bk can only make that move if someone else gives them a better chance at winning the game.

You may be right here... but that's why we have more than 1 QB. It's BK's job to do his best to put the kid in position to succeed.... which BK has done with Golson. Golson has to take it upon himself to progress and fix the issues. If he doesnt, I have no problem with BK making a change at the QB position. As other's have stated, Bk can only make that move if someone else gives them a better chance at winning the game.

 

Agreed. If BK isn't the kind of guy to make EG the QB he needs him to be move on to the next guy. Can't afford to spend another year rebuilding only to send our pet project off to the NFL.

Agreed. If BK isn't the kind of guy to make EG the QB he needs him to be move on to the next guy. Can't afford to spend another year rebuilding only to send our pet project off to the NFL.

 

Show me a coach who dumped his QB who in his second year of playing is doing this:

 

20th in passing efficiency nationally (147.8 rating)

5th in points responsible for per game (20.5) (Mariotta is 1st at 22.9/gm)

8th in total offense

8th in TD passes

 

Kelly's not dumping Golson, nor should he. Golson needs to improve his situational judgement. It's not unreasonable to think he will.

Show me a coach who dumped his QB who in his second year of playing is doing this:

 

20th in passing efficiency nationally (147.8 rating)

5th in points responsible for per game (20.5) (Mariotta is 1st at 22.9/gm)

8th in total offense

8th in TD passes

 

Kelly's not dumping Golson, nor should he. Golson needs to improve his situational judgement. It's not unreasonable to think he will.

 

But his turnovers and mental mistakes are atrocious. This thread has gotten a little off topic. Not saying EG should be replaced, but malik must be really far behind if he can't come in for an obvious struggling EG to allow him to refocus.

 

We probably would have won those games if rees was here to come in.

But his turnovers and mental mistakes are atrocious. This thread has gotten a little off topic. Not saying EG should be replaced, but malik must be really far behind if he can't come in for an obvious struggling EG to allow him to refocus.

 

We probably would have won those games if rees was here to come in.

 

Which is why I said he needs to improve his situational judgement. Many of Golson's mistakes come out of situations where there are atrocious breakdowns by our tackles. They get beat badly. Golson has to react to a defender running freely at him. Instead of just taking the sack, or quickly throw the ball away, he tries to make a play and fails. Saturday, with one exception, he did a better job of accepting that in those situations he needs to take a loss, protect the ball and live for the next down.

Which is why I said he needs to improve his situational judgement. Many of Golson's mistakes come out of situations where there are atrocious breakdowns by our tackles. They get beat badly. Golson has to react to a defender running freely at him. Instead of just taking the sack, or quickly throw the ball away, he tries to make a play and fails. Saturday, with one exception, he did a better job of accepting that in those situations he needs to take a loss, protect the ball and live for the next down.

 

The defensive ends run past our tackles because the know golson doesn't step up in the pocket. He fades back, so you can't really blame it all on the tackles.

 

Personally, I don't think they use his running enough. They're trying to make him a pocket QB and has stripped him of his natural instincts. IMO.

The defensive ends run past our tackles because the know golson doesn't step up in the pocket. He fades back, so you can't really blame it all on the tackles.

 

Personally, I don't think they use his running enough. They're trying to make him a pocket QB and has stripped him of his natural instincts. IMO.

 

I agree with this opinion. He seems to be very indecisive and dances around too much. I think he is trying to be something he is not. He is overthinking it.

They're trying to make him a pocket QB and has stripped him of his natural instincts. IMO.

 

This is my belief really since we've seen the onslaught of the bad side of EG....turnover city. Prior to all the TO problems, it really looked to me that he was at his best when he would use his natural instincts to bail out of the pocket at the first sign of pressure. Is that "wrong?" I guess so, when it comes down to textbook ways to play the position, but I think they were drilling in to him so much to STAY in the pocket, that it got him fighting natural instincts so much that it's messing with his mind....kinda like asking a guy who already hits .300 in his own unorthodox way, in favor of the textbook way to bat. Or....i don't know shite! That could be too.

The defensive ends run past our tackles because the know golson doesn't step up in the pocket. He fades back, so you can't really blame it all on the tackles.

 

Personally, I don't think they use his running enough. They're trying to make him a pocket QB and has stripped him of his natural instincts. IMO.

 

Sometimes that's the case, like all young QB's he's working on his pocket awareness, but there are also times-like against Lville- where Lombard got beat so badly that there was no pocket, just a straight line shot at Golson.

 

I think they should run him more to have an actual spread option running attack. It makes no sense to me to act like you're running a spread running attack when the QB keeps so rarely. However, I am glad they are working with him as a pocket QB as well as rolling him out. If you roll him out all the time you limit the field. From the pocket he scan the entire field.

Edited November 25, 201410 yr by Frankus

I think we should all chill on the let's pull Golson talk. I have been guilty of it but lets go back and look at some games, he's done enough to win them all. There were some bad games, the int's have been bad and the fumbles you think they'd be under control by now.

 

Some of the blame goes to the o-line though, some goes to the defense and alot goes to coaching. That o-line, team and coaches knew ASU would blitz their asses off and they didn't come prepared. Heck it took us till the Louisville game to get a hard count going, so now they hopefully can audible and call some hot routes.

 

I can't believe the fumbles haven't been fixed but he has been pretty good minus those and a few picks. Look at all the other issues with this team, plus other than Fuller we have no consistent threat. Plus teams know we won't commit to the run, he's working with what he's got and he's doing a pretty good job.

 

When it's going bad blame the qb and when it's going good blame the qb, if it weren't for Golson we'd have lost a few more this year.