Was reading a couple posts about JUCO's and forgot why we can't recruit them can someone enlighten me on it? This is when we are really missing guys like Fox, Springmann, Hounschell, an the 5 who could have been replaced by JUCO players maybe.

 

If it's true most teams especially top teams are using these guys to fill holes and start then why aren't we? I'd like to see the reason for this and hopefully we can do something to stop handcuffing ourself.

Juco's are extremely important.

 

Example, your 2 senior starting DT/DE graduate or enter the draft and your left with 2 soph. and 2-3 incoming Freshmen. Instead of playing a sophomore or freshmen you can plug in a JUCO who have been playing for 2 years already.

 

Guys like Saban, Miles, and many other's fight for top JUCO's every year because they depend on them to fil in the holes left by leaving players.

 

Plus most of these JUCO's are former 3-5* guys

 

Just to name a few, Cam Newton, Aaron Rogers, Keyshon Johnson, Corey Dillon, Cortez Kennedy

Edited November 18, 201410 yr by IrishFan33

How many of those guys would pass admissions? I don't have a problem with it as long as the kids can keep up academically.

Plus you can tell these freshman are small and haven't had the years of proper weight training. We get pushed around out there cause we're young, if we had some JUCO's to fill these spots we wouldn't be so bad maybe.

 

I know Bill Snyder makes a living off JUCO's, maybe it's time to start adding 3-4 every year.

 

Here's a list of potential guys we're missing. From 2013 I see names like Nick Marshall, Cameron Artis-Payne, Randy Gregory, Corey Smith, Deon Long.

Edited November 19, 201410 yr by ndomer4

Juco's are extremely important.

 

Example, your 2 senior starting DT/DE graduate or enter the draft and your left with 2 soph. and 2-3 incoming Freshmen. Instead of playing a sophomore or freshmen you can plug in a JUCO who have been playing for 2 years already.

 

Guys like Saban, Miles, and many other's fight for top JUCO's every year because they depend on them to fil in the holes left by leaving players.

 

Plus most of these JUCO's are former 3-5* guys

 

Just to name a few, Cam Newton, Aaron Rogers, Keyshon Johnson, Corey Dillon, Cortez Kennedy

 

 

I'd like to add that ppl like Saban do not necessarily recruit for position players. I remember him recruiting 4 or 5 qb's when coaching lsu. Why 5 qbs? Simple, he was recruiting ATHLETES! Pure athletes that he could form to fit his puzzle. Recruit 32 of these caliber kids, write off 14 as inelegible or not necessary to the team, bring in a few JUCO's & voila! Minor league NFL team to compete for a NC.

How many of those guys would pass admissions? I don't have a problem with it as long as the kids can keep up academically.

 

 

And THERE'S a huge part of the problem, brotha!

Plus you can tell these freshman are small and haven't had the years of proper weight training. We get pushed around out there cause we're young, if we had some JUCO's to fill these spots we wouldn't be so bad maybe.

 

I know Bill Snyder makes a living off JUCO's, maybe it's time to start adding 3-4 every year.

 

Here's a list of potential guys we're missing.

 

 

Do yoy remember "chestertonlep" from notredamefans.com? They used to do "before & afters" of Irish players. A simple freshman & senior pic photoshopped. RIDICULOUS! Especially the lineman & LB's.

Juco's are extremely important.

 

Example, your 2 senior starting DT/DE graduate or enter the draft and your left with 2 soph. and 2-3 incoming Freshmen. Instead of playing a sophomore or freshmen you can plug in a JUCO who have been playing for 2 years already.

 

Guys like Saban, Miles, and many other's fight for top JUCO's every year because they depend on them to fil in the holes left by leaving players.

 

Plus most of these JUCO's are former 3-5* guys

 

Just to name a few, Cam Newton, Aaron Rogers, Keyshon Johnson, Corey Dillon, Cortez Kennedy

 

This is absolutely correct. It's one of the very last things we need to start doing(we actually do take some JUCO's but it's very rare,currently). A great deal of JUCO's would not be able to gain admission due to their course loads, but several would and it would be a very valuable tool to fill needs, quickly.

great thread and a great point.

 

are there any other schools that don't allow jucos?

 

who is the last national title winner that didn't allow jucos?

I never recuited JUCOs in NCAA football. I just redshirted every freshman and had about 15 5th year seniors stomping everyone when I won 60 national titles in a row the other 7 players you might ask? Oh nothing, just RS juniors aka seniors.

I never recuited JUCOs in NCAA football. I just redshirted every freshman and had about 15 5th year seniors stomping everyone when I won 60 national titles in a row the other 7 players you might ask? Oh nothing, just RS juniors aka seniors.

 

I like your strategy, would you like the HC position at ND?

Alabama brought in 4 JC's this year- two Defensive Linemen, One Offensive Linemen and one Tight End.

I was gonna start a new thread about how many scholarship players ND has at this moment and link the a Subwaydomer.com piece on it.

 

But I hate starting threads, so I'll just tuck it in here. JUCO's would help! Or something, or ANYTHING would help when you consider after transfers, injuries, academics, medical hardships, going pro.....ND has about 70 healthy scholarship players right now. 70. With no JUCO's and no oversigning, and 4 year scholarships, thats kind of like being on self imposed NCAA sanctions.

 

I would cry but I have no tears left.

 

http://subwaydomer.com/2014-articles/cause-and-effect-the-code-of-85.html

Forgive my ignorance, but aren't most kids in JUCO because they didn't qualify academically for whatever college they were hoping to attend?

 

So then We assume they are going to qualify for and succeed at ND?

Forgive my ignorance, but aren't most kids in JUCO because they didn't qualify academically for whatever college they were hoping to attend?

 

So then We assume they are going to qualify for and succeed at ND?

 

Yes....most are JUCOs for academic reasons, and a large portion of the remainder are there because of issues like getting kicked out of school.

 

ND does indeed allow JUCO transfers. ND does not recruit JUCOs. 99.9% of JUCOs do not / can not / will not qualify because JUCOs do not typically stay "on track" with NDs course requirements (remember, ND requires actual majors, and a HUGE chunk of these dudes are "undecided" or "general studies" 2+ years into their college career and taking classes that are...well...lets just say they are classes that probably aren't even offered at ND).

I like your strategy, would you like the HC position at ND?

 

http://deadspin.com/man-applies-for-und-head-coach-job-cites-playing-madde-1481626884

http://deadspin.com/man-applies-for-und-head-coach-job-cites-playing-madde-1481626884

 

lol, A for effort on that one!

I know Cody isn't a JUCO but look at what a big impact, when healthy, he has had. Having the ability to be able to find JUCO's has the potential to be huge for a couple of years, when needed.

Yes....most are JUCOs for academic reasons, and a large portion of the remainder are there because of issues like getting kicked out of school.

 

ND does indeed allow JUCO transfers. ND does not recruit JUCOs. 99.9% of JUCOs do not / can not / will not qualify because JUCOs do not typically stay "on track" with NDs course requirements (remember, ND requires actual majors, and a HUGE chunk of these dudes are "undecided" or "general studies" 2+ years into their college career and taking classes that are...well...lets just say they are classes that probably aren't even offered at ND).

 

Can anybody confirm if ND does not allow JC transfers into Mendoza or the architecture school?

I know Cody isn't a JUCO but look at what a big impact, when healthy, he has had. Having the ability to be able to find JUCO's has the potential to be huge for a couple of years, when needed.

 

That's not an apples to apples comparison. Riggs played 4 years in the SEC, more experience against way better competition than any JUCO.

That's not an apples to apples comparison. Riggs played 4 years in the SEC, more experience against way better competition than any JUCO.

 

Ya, I get that, but you can still find players similar to Cody who have not only experience, but the opportunity to grow into their bodies and be valuable players to your team.