Average 8.6 wins a year for 5 years. That's what Kelly has done at ND. And that's giving him one more win this season. That's Notre Dame football. And all of the fans who are content with this and always saying wait until next year, they are part of the problem of mediocrity at ND.

 

This crap doesnt get tolerated at other places who have high expectations for their football program.

The state of Notre Dame football has nothing to do with fans. The market has spoken when it comes to the head coaching job at Notre Dame. None of the elite coaches will touch it with a ten foot pole, because there are way to many obstacles to success. If this was 1966, Saban and Meyer would be drooling for the job. Today? Well, you know the answer.

For the 13 years before that we averaged 7 wins a season. It's a significant upgrade and shows progress, you don't just throw that all away because of 2 bad losses

That's what Kelly has done at ND. And that's giving him one more win this season. That's Notre Dame football. And all of the fans who are content with this and always saying wait until next year, they are part of the problem of mediocrity at ND.

 

This crap doesnt get tolerated at other places who have high expectations for their football program.

 

I'm just asking because I really don't know...

Are there really college football programs that fired their head coaches who averaged 8.6 wins per season in their first 5 years?

They actually fired them after 5 years, or 6 years?

I am not aware of any but would like to know which ones did.

I'm just asking because I really don't know...

Are there really college football programs that fired their head coaches who averaged 8.6 wins per season in their first 5 years?

They actually fired them after 5 years, or 6 years?

I am not aware of any but would like to know which ones did.

 

Do you honestly think that Ohio State, Michigan, Oklahoma, Texas, USC, Florida, etc would put up with 8.6 wins a year over a 5 year span? Why should ND?

 

Just FYI, Auburn fired Chizik TWO years after winning it all and Lloyd Carr was basically 9-3 every year after winning it all.

Edited November 17, 201410 yr by Irish Storm

Do you honestly think that Ohio State, Michigan, Oklahoma, Texas, USC, Florida, etc would put up with 8.6 wins a year over a 5 year span? Why should ND?

 

Just FYI, Auburn fired Chizik TWO years after winning it all and Lloyd Carr was basically 9-3 every year after winning it all.

 

I can't speak for the others, but Oklahoma fans around here are tired of 15 years of 10+ wins per year, four NC appearances and 1 NC. Many are begging Florida to snatch Stoops up.

Do you honestly think that Ohio State, Michigan, Oklahoma, Texas, USC, Florida, etc would put up with 8.6 wins a year over a 5 year span? Why should ND?

 

Just FYI, Auburn fired Chizik TWO years after winning it all and Lloyd Carr was basically 9-3 every year after winning it all.

 

In those 2 years chizik was 8 - 5 and 3 - 9 and the program was in quick decline. Carr retired. Come here with better than that.

 

On second thought just go away.

Do you honestly think that Ohio State, Michigan, Oklahoma, Texas, USC, Florida, etc would put up with 8.6 wins a year over a 5 year span? Why should ND?

 

Just FYI, Auburn fired Chizik TWO years after winning it all and Lloyd Carr was basically 9-3 every year after winning it all.

 

You didn't answer the question I posed.

I really am interested in what you said as you started this thread.

 

You did bring up Chizek, but he was fired under different circumstances. Other than his championship year, Auburn was 19-19 under him, 7-17 in SEC play, and that team was in serious decline (outscored 150-21 in the last 3 SEC games under him; 3-9 in his last season). In his 4 seasons as Auburn coach he averaged 8.2 wins per season.

Carr coached at Michigan for 12 years. They didn't fire him after 5 years.

 

So, are there ANY college teams that fired a head coach who averaged 8.6 wins per season for his first 5 or 6 seasons? ANY at all? 8.6 is the number you came up with, not me, so please help me understand.

You didn't answer the question I posed.

I really am interested in what you said as you started this thread.

 

You did bring up Chizek, but he was fired under different circumstances. Other than his championship year, Auburn was 19-19 under him, 7-17 in SEC play, and that team was in serious decline (outscored 150-21 in the last 3 SEC games under him; 3-9 in his last season). In his 4 seasons as Auburn coach he averaged 8.2 wins per season.

Carr coached at Michigan for 12 years. They didn't fire him after 5 years.

 

So, are there ANY college teams that fired a head coach who averaged 8.6 wins per season for his first 5 or 6 seasons? ANY at all? 8.6 is the number you came up with, not me, so please help me understand.

 

Not to mention we still have 3 games left this year and he is counting this year as 7 wins. A better question is how many coaches have been fired after going 26-8 in there last 34 games? Look BK coached probably his worst game ever this weekend, but BK is no where close to the hot seat nor should he be. I'm not sure why I felt the need to post this as the OP is the only one saying this.

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In those 2 years chizik was 8 - 5 and 3 - 9 and the program was in quick decline. Carr retired. Come here with better than that.

 

On second thought just go away.

 

John Coopers last 8 seasons before being fired.

10–1

9–4

11–2

11–1

10–3

11–1

6–6

8-4

 

And Carr was 'retired'. That better tough guy?

John Coopers last 8 seasons before being fired.

10–1

9–4

11–2

11–1

10–3

11–1

6–6

8-4

 

That better tough guy?

 

And 2-9 against michigan? Could have had something to do with it!

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Not to mention we still have 3 games left this year and he is counting this year as 7 wins. A better question is how many coaches have been fired after going 26-8 in there last 34 games? Look BK coached probably his worst game ever this weekend, but BK is no where close to the hot seat nor should he be. I'm not sure why I felt the need to post this as the OP is the only one saying this.

 

That's not true. I gave Kelly the benefit of the doubt and gave him one more win this season for a total of 8.

 

Fans like some of you guys are part of the problem: minimal expectations.

And 2-9 against michigan? Could have had something to do with it!

 

But it's still FAR better than ND's last 8 seasons. You guys would be dancing in the streets for an 8 year run like that. It got him fired.

You didn't answer the question I posed.

I really am interested in what you said as you started this thread.

 

You did bring up Chizek, but he was fired under different circumstances. Other than his championship year, Auburn was 19-19 under him, 7-17 in SEC play, and that team was in serious decline (outscored 150-21 in the last 3 SEC games under him; 3-9 in his last season). In his 4 seasons as Auburn coach he averaged 8.2 wins per season.

Carr coached at Michigan for 12 years. They didn't fire him after 5 years.

 

So, are there ANY college teams that fired a head coach who averaged 8.6 wins per season for his first 5 or 6 seasons? ANY at all? 8.6 is the number you came up with, not me, so please help me understand.

 

Frank Solich 's 6 easons at Nebraska:

 

9-4

12-1

10-2

11-2

7-7

9-3

 

 

9.6 win average for Solich: fired

9.2 win average over last 5 seasons for Cooper: fired

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But it's still FAR better than ND's last 8 seasons. You guys would be dancing in the streets for an 8 year run like that. It got him fired.

 

I live in columbus and can tell you his firing was about michigan. Now, another year or two at 6-6 or 8-4, it would have happened anyway, but we digress.

That's not true. I gave Kelly the benefit of the doubt and gave him one more win this season for a total of 8.

 

Fans like some of you guys are part of the problem: minimal expectations.

 

Maybe I'm not freaking out because I thought we'd be a 8-4/9-3 team this year. I'm not sure what you expected, but we're an extremely young team. Now I definitely didn't think we'd lose to NW and that loss is 100% on Kelly, but one game isn't enough to cost him his job. If we struggle next year with all we have returning then it's time to be concerned.

Frank Solich 's final t seasons at Nebraska:

 

12-1

10-2

11-2

7-7

9-3

 

Fired

 

How did that work out for them?

How did that work out for them?

 

He wanted one example. I gave him to legit examples. It worked out for Ohio State, it hasn't for Nebraska.

Don't really dish. Someone woodcut you are cousins sod she. Siege wowo bobbed I disks dindu nothin.

 

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He wanted one example. I gave him to legit examples. It worked out for Ohio State, it hasn't for Nebraska.

 

No, you gave me one example.

Cooper averaged 7 wins a year in his first five years. That's what I was asking, the FIRST five years. That's the point here, I thought. Kelly has 8.6 wins per year (by your generosity) in his first 5 years.

So, from what you are telling us, the only example of a team firing a coach who averaged more than 8.6 wins per season in his FIRST five years was Nebraska (that was a good find, by the way).

And it really didn't work out well for Nebraska after that.

Here's pretty much what this is all about. Most thought we'd be a 9-10 wins even with the frozen 5. We all knew we'd be young on the defense. We lost Nix and Tuitt etc.

 

THEN we start going on a winning streak even without our frozen 5 and looking pretty good the first 6 games. We all know we beat Florida State and even with the "loss" we ALL started to dream and dream BIG. Injuries started racking up especially with Schmidt and our true young colors are showing through. Yes, Everett seems to be taking a step back with all the damn turnovers BUT like I said in my thread, 40 points a game and even with the offensive troubles we should be able to beat anybody! But, our defense has 1, 1 upperclassman on it and the rest are extremely talented but wet behind the ears, lacking the start numbers and need to physically mature. This is now who we are and the Playoff dreams were dashed. Yes, Kelly had a bad coaching game and we truly could have still won if he would have made just one of a couple of decisions. He is not perfect but he has given ND Football it's first undefeated season in over 25 years! He has brought consistency and respect back to the program.

 

I hate the old "wait until next year" but it is what it is. We know we have a pretty damn good coach and lots of young talent. We get the frozen 5 back, Golson with another years experience and the lines get another Longo year. Relax! The future (with Brian Kelly) looks excellent! Try and enjoy it!