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I've posted on this in the past.

 

Brian Kelly is one of the best in college football at building a program.

 

He had never had the chance to sustain a program at the D1 level.

 

He built ND back to prominence. I think the question needs to be asked if he can sustain it. It seems a bit odd that you can do one, but not the other, but some coaches are just that way.

 

Now there are a lot of outside forces, suspensions, injuries etc that come into play. But I think the question needs to be asked. Besides having better athletes in spots, does this program look any further along in year 5 vs year 3?

 

Still turn it over way to much. Still no consistent run game. Still playing to level of the opponent.

 

I guess my biggest concern is that Kelly is a good coach, but not great. Good coaches are hard to fire because they win 8-9 games a year, but the team stays in limbo and never takes that next step. Think Mark Richt, Frank Beamer, Kirk Ferentz etc. nothing wrong with that type of coach, you just have to set your expectations accordingly.

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He is relying on so much youth because there have been lots of people leaving early for the NFL and injuries and recruits that bolted before arriving.

This problem, playing freshmen is going to be a continuing concern. As you bring in better talent, read 5* and high 4*, they leave early. We have always been proud about our graduation ranks, but that was because we had people stay for their senior years. Besides the exceptions, people leave early to play in the NFL if they have the talent.

People keep requesting that we recruit more 5*, but for me that is just going to lead to more people leaving early and more freshmen playing.

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He is relying on so much youth because there have been lots of people leaving early for the NFL and injuries and recruits that bolted before arriving.

This problem, playing freshmen is going to be a continuing concern. As you bring in better talent, read 5* and high 4*, they leave early. We have always been proud about our graduation ranks, but that was because we had people stay for their senior years. Besides the exceptions, people leave early to play in the NFL if they have the talent.

People keep requesting that we recruit more 5*, but for me that is just going to lead to more people leaving early and more freshmen playing.

 

Who left early for the NFL among the defensive front 7? Tuitt is the only one. Lynch is the only transfer and players get hurt on every team throughout their careers. A good-great program would be able to overcome 1 player leaving early, 1 transfer and 2 career ending injuries (Springman and Hounshell.) Yesterday only 2 upperclassman played in the front 7. Why is that? It's not because we recruited too many 4-5 star players as you imply. It's because the staff has not recruited enough depth over the last 5 years.

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but i thought we were an 11-1 team this year? (just lol). We are an 8-9 win talent this season, which has been said for weeks now. Next year we are an 11-12 win team and will prove as much.

 

BK is the best coach that we could hope to ever get considering all the **** he has to deal with. If i were him, Id strongly consider going to Florida (if he fails to make the playoffs next year). Too much talent returning for ND for him to consider leaving.

 

but this thread is truly comical.

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Who left early for the NFL among the defensive front 7? Tuitt is the only one. Lynch is the only transfer and players get hurt on every team throughout their careers. A good-great program would be able to overcome 1 player leaving early, 1 transfer and 2 career ending injuries (Springman and Hounshell.) Yesterday only 2 upperclassman played in the front 7. Why is that? It's not because we recruited too many 4-5 star players as you imply. It's because the staff has not recruited enough depth over the last 5 years.

 

 

 

ND just put 8 players into the NFL dumbass.

 

When was the last time an ND coach has done that in one year? (Answer: never) And you tards want to get rid of the guy. (lol)

 

The delusions are hilarious.

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ND just put 8 players into the NFL dumbass.

 

When was the last time an ND coach has done that in one year? (Answer: never) And you tards want to get rid of the guy. (lol)

 

The delusions are hilarious.

 

I hereby handoff the "Dick of the Week Award" I won a few weeks back to you. Here you go, dick.

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but i thought we were an 11-1 team this year? (just lol). We are an 8-9 win talent this season, which has been said for weeks now. Next year we are an 11-12 win team and will prove as much.

 

BK is the best coach that we could hope to ever get considering all the **** he has to deal with. If i were him, Id strongly consider going to Florida (if he fails to make the playoffs next year). Too much talent returning for ND for him to consider leaving.

 

but this thread is truly comical.

 

I can't comprehend this post (lol). Are you saying him under achieving with the given talent suggests he is the right coach?

 

Which stat measures dumb coaching decisions and fumbling inside the 5 yard line?

 

Who in this thread said they wanted Kelly gone? (Lol, not me)

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I understand that bad losses happen to everyone, it's just a kick to the gut. This ranks right up there with Syracuse, uconn and Tulsa and I had hoped that these types of just flat out horrible losses were behind us but they aren't, that hardly means Kelly can't get it done or all is lost. He's done a helluva job building this program up from the depths of drudgery but now just needs to take that final step, I would like to see how next year goes before any serious discussions are had. If he's a mediocre 8-9 win team again next year then it's obvious he can't get it done at this level.

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I understand that bad losses happen to everyone, it's just a kick to the gut. This ranks right up there with Syracuse, uconn and Tulsa and I had hoped that these types of just flat out horrible losses were behind us but they aren't, that hardly means Kelly can't get it done or all is lost. He's done a helluva job building this program up from the depths of drudgery but now just needs to take that final step, I would like to see how next year goes before any serious discussions are had. If he's a mediocre 8-9 win team again next year then it's obvious he can't get it done at this level.

 

But has he really brought us out from the depths of drudgery? Other than the 12-0 miracle run and Alabama beat down he is 7-5, 8-4, 8-4 and now probably 7-5.

 

Weis was 9-2, 9-3, 3-9, 6-6, and 6-6. So let's throw out Weis' 9-2

 

Kelly averages 7.6 wins a year

Weis averaged 6 wins per year

 

If I throw out worst season they are almost identical

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But has he really brought us out from the depths of drudgery? Other than the 12-0 miracle run and Alabama beat down he is 7-5, 8-4, 8-4 and now probably 7-5.

 

Weis was 9-2, 9-3, 3-9, 6-6, and 6-6. So let's throw out Weis' 9-2

 

Kelly averages 7.6 wins a year

Weis averaged 6 wins per year

 

If I throw out worst season they are almost identical

 

Throwing out 12-0 is pretty significant, also assuming we are going to lose out is a stretch too. But I don't even necessarily mean weis alone, weis did a lot to help the program as a whole too. I meant more of the Davie Ty era

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Throwing out 12-0 is pretty significant, also assuming we are going to lose out is a stretch too. But I don't even necessarily mean weis alone, weis did a lot to help the program as a whole too. I meant more of the Davie Ty era

 

I don't think losing out is a stretch. Louisville's D is legit, and turns out, we aren't very good at holding onto the ball. First time in ND stadium, and I quickly remember losing to UConn and Syracuse with fat bastard.

 

I would say 55/45 we win vs UL and 65/35 we win vs USC.

 

Our kids are down, and we really don't have anything to play for.. We're going bowling, but we're not getting in Jan 1 bowl with 3 losses.

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Who left early for the NFL among the defensive front 7? Tuitt is the only one. Lynch is the only transfer and players get hurt on every team throughout their careers. A good-great program would be able to overcome 1 player leaving early, 1 transfer and 2 career ending injuries (Springman and Hounshell.) Yesterday only 2 upperclassman played in the front 7. Why is that? It's not because we recruited too many 4-5 star players as you imply. It's because the staff has not recruited enough depth over the last 5 years.

 

Nix could have come back... and Williams was a projected SR starter

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