I think it is clear we have the athletes that is not a debate. But don't our guys look smaller, weak and just not in great shape? I always thought it was a problem but when our guys are studying or doing work sec teams are in the gym or doing speed work. Top athletes come here and don't get better because they don't have the time too.

 

We will never compete with the SEC until things change or else this will never end.

They seem to at Stanford and we just lost to another good academic school. We have the facilities, we have the athletes, we have the coaches, but none of that matters when we make dumb plays on the field and on the sideline. This game was inexcusable and will be used negatively with recruits. Hell, we are doing everything possible to run off two 5 star players in Bryant and Redfield who also happen to be from two of the three best states for prospects.

If we didn't get lucky in those games in 2012 and went 8-4, or say 9-3 then there is not this smoke and mirrors. That schedule was very easy too mind you, is Kelly on the hot seat now? I say yes, 2012 looks like a fluke to me.

I've been saying this. And it's not just physical, they are mentally exhausted. Harbaugh had something going with an old school formula.but.now it's falling apart. It's just too big of.a disadvantage.but hey, we don't want to cheapen anyone's degree now

I've been saying this. And it's not just physical, they are mentally exhausted. Harbaugh had something going with an old school formula.but.now it's falling apart. It's just too big of.a disadvantage.but hey, we don't want to cheapen anyone's degree now

 

If you can't win at all costs then you can't win in College football cause as we've seen teams do win at all costs and it works. Some take it to a new level but the best example is Ohio State, we need to do what they do in a sense.

So what do we do op?

Accept these losses to happen until changes are made, what else can we do? We're only fans. It also doesn't help we are handicapped by a horrid gameday coach, you could go on about the passing, decisions, and how unprepared we were. Signs of terrible coaching.

 

This is exactly like Weis except we are going 8-4 instead of 6-6, take away 2012 and it's not pretty.

Half of alabama's roster carries ND offers.....don't gimme this going to class bull$hit

Half of alabama's roster carries ND offers.....don't gimme this going to class bull$hit

 

Yeah I said talent was not the issue, we have it. What I'm saying is these players don't have the time to workout and train, they're in class or doing homework or studying because schooling is ****ing tough there. SEC schools probably get the odd assignment and test so all time is spent getting healthy, training and probably steroids.

 

We just look small, out of shape, weak. I mean so does Northwestern, watching this SEC ball looks so much differently. There are so many things holding us back and if you can't win at all costs you will be stuck with the pinstripe and .com bowls of the world. The odd time you make a BCS game you get curb stomped.

Yeah I said talent was not the issue, we have it. What I'm saying is these players don't have the time to workout and train, they're in class or doing homework or studying because schooling is ****ing tough there. SEC schools probably get the odd assignment and test so all time is spent getting healthy, training and probably steroids.

 

We just look small, out of shape, weak. I mean so does Northwestern, watching this SEC ball looks so much differently. There are so many things holding us back and if you can't win at all costs you will be stuck with the pinstripe and .com bowls of the world. The odd time you make a BCS game you get curb stomped.

 

Apparently you've never seen Trick Shot Monday.

Apparently you've never seen Trick Shot Monday.

 

Oh I have, another example of wasted time.

I'm an alumn, and was an athlete, so I spent my fair share of time in the Gug. The notion that school work comes at the expense of workouts, treatments, etc. is incorrect. And I don't agree that our team looks any smaller/weaker or any other adjective in reference to a physical disadvantage. We are as physically talented as any in college football. The Florida St. game proved it, and a loss to Northwestern, a school recruiting an inferior athlete with equally demanding academics doesn't make the argument any more credible.

Our academic requirements make recruiting more difficult

 

It is harder on the athletes

 

BUT ITS NOT A VALID EXCUSE OR EXPLANTION for this debacle

 

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I'm an alumn, and was an athlete, so I spent my fair share of time in the Gug. The notion that school work comes at the expense of workouts, treatments, etc. is incorrect. And I don't agree that our team looks any smaller/weaker or any other adjective in reference to a physical disadvantage. We are as physically talented as any in college football. The Florida St. game proved it, and a loss to Northwestern, a school recruiting an inferior athlete with equally demanding academics doesn't make the argument any more credible.

 

What's North westerns record? What's Vanderbilt record? They hitting it out of the park?

Oh I have, another example of wasted time.

 

So the players are never allowed to have any fun. Ya, that will get more recruits to come to ND.

 

*facepalm*

What's North westerns record? What's Vanderbilt record? They hitting it out of the park?

 

How many 4 and 5 star recruits are on their rosters? How many players have each put in the NFL in the past few years? How many players on their current rosters had 50 scholarship offers? How many players on their current rosters can run with Will Fuller? Hell, how many can run with Jaylon Smith?

 

You can compare the academic requirements all you want and state the obvious that all of these schools can't touch half of the ESPN 150. But you simply can't dispute the fact that Notre Dame's roster is as physically talented and conditioned as well as any other in college football, which was the context of the conversation.

 

If you are completely convinced that we look weaker, smaller and slower than the elite teams, so be it. But I'm not, and I believe most fans would agree with me.

I think it is clear we have the athletes that is not a debate. But don't our guys look smaller, weak and just not in great shape? I always thought it was a problem but when our guys are studying or doing work sec teams are in the gym or doing speed work. Top athletes come here and don't get better because they don't have the time too.

 

We will never compete with the SEC until things change or else this will never end.

 

I would agree with this we look like small immature kids. People call you crazy for this but you are dead on. If folks don't see it they are choosing to turn their heads.

Fire Hiestand. I'm tired of watching our guys whiff on pass PRO and get their dicks kicked in the dirt on the effort scale.

 

We can't run block nor can we pass block.

I'm an alumn, and was an athlete, so I spent my fair share of time in the Gug. The notion that school work comes at the expense of workouts, treatments, etc. is incorrect. And I don't agree that our team looks any smaller/weaker or any other adjective in reference to a physical disadvantage. We are as physically talented as any in college football. The Florida St. game proved it, and a loss to Northwestern, a school recruiting an inferior athlete with equally demanding academics doesn't make the argument any more credible.

 

Ok then we just flat out stink. This loss is inexcusable I hope you understand that. There should be no talk of our athletes, what athletes show me one. Northwestern would never beat Alabama, or any top 5 team for that matter if they played 50 straight times. Stop making excuses for a pass poor team. They stink flat out.

I would agree with this we look like small immature kids. People call you crazy for this but you are dead on. If folks don't see it they are choosing to turn their heads.

 

I watch as much college football as anyone, and I completely disagree. The receivers are skinny, but other than that, we are adequately sized. Wasn't the consensus on this board this time last year that Nix and Tuitt were too big?

Ok then we just flat out stink. This loss is inexcusable I hope you understand that. There should be no talk of our athletes, what athletes show me one. Northwestern would never beat Alabama, or any top 5 team for that matter if they played 50 straight times. Stop making excuses for a pass poor team. They stink flat out.

 

I don't disagree that they "stink" and I'm not making an excuse for why we lose. In fact, I'm arguing the opposite. Another poster presented the argument that we can't/won't win because our players are too pre-occupied with academics to reach their peak physical ability. I presented an argument to the contrary, rendering the old adage "we need to loosen academic requirements in order to win," moot.