Brian Kelly's seat is now warm.

 

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The first part of your post made me think you are now echo88's disciple, but then your last paragraph made me think you had a point. I hope you are not implying this is some how BKs fault.

 

You are assuming in this post and the next I am a societal conformist. I am not. I am simply pointing out the way things in the real world operate. Most of us are on the inside looking in, and that makes it difficult for us to recognize this for what it is.

 

If this pattern of events happened at any other school, as many posters have already pointed out, ND fans would be screaming foul. Who do YOU think we would point our fingers at? The players? The Dean? The University? I argue they would be pointed at the Head Coach.

 

Brian Kelly is THE GUY. He IS responsible for his players the same as managers are responsible for their employees, or parents their children. That is LIFE brother. Although I don't agree with this set of rules, I don't ignore them, and I surely don't cry about them, lol.

You are assuming in this post and the next I am a societal conformist. I am not. I am simply pointing out the way things in the real world operate. Most of us are on the inside looking in, and that makes it difficult for us to recognize this for what it is.

 

If this pattern of events happened at any other school, as many posters have already pointed out, ND fans would be screaming foul. Who do YOU think we would point our fingers at? The players? The Dean? The University? I argue they would be pointed at the Head Coach.

 

Brian Kelly is THE GUY. He IS responsible for his players the same as managers are responsible for their employees, or parents their children. That is LIFE brother. Although I don't agree with this set of rules, I don't ignore them, and I surely don't cry about them, lol.

 

Most of us are on the inside looking in? Hmmmm? Lost me there. The analogy you draw between an employer and employees and parents/children is a stretch. I get the conclusion you are trying to draw but I don't agree with the basis of it. The football players are not employees. If a parent has to rely on a coach of the sport their child received a scholarship to a major university from to parent them and somehow monitor them in ways to prevent them from doing stupid things ... Then shame on that parent for not doing their job.

Wrong, and that is unfortunate in this situation. Brian Kelly is responsible for his team. What the article discusses, and I must agree with, is a pattern has clearly formed. Whether or not BK could have prevented ANY of these issues no longer matters.

 

- He is the coach.

 

- These issues occurred under his watch.

 

- He should be held accountable.

 

The court of public opinion matters, and BK knew what he was signing up for. With that being said, I believe the University is handling the situation exactly as they should. What BK needs to worry about is everybody else. Hot seats are created by fans and the media. BK seems unable to stay out of the spotlight and that is a PROBLEM. Unlucky, unfortunate, cursed? What difference does it make?

 

Kelly is responsible for this team as far as practicing and playing football. These are young men, not kids. They have a great opportunity to get a degree from ND for playing a game. They know exactly what is expected of them.

If players cheat because they can`t pass without cheating is bad but if he cheats because he is to lazy or that he is out chasing girls, he deserves what ever happens.

 

Statements like "It occurred under his watch and "he should be held accountable" is just Bull ****.

You seem to have all of the answers, name a couple of things that Kelly could have done to prevent this from happening. Remember he has 100 players.

 

Kelly is doing what he is getting paid for and is doing a very good job.

You are assuming in this post and the next I am a societal conformist. I am not. I am simply pointing out the way things in the real world operate. Most of us are on the inside looking in, and that makes it difficult for us to recognize this for what it is.

 

If this pattern of events happened at any other school, as many posters have already pointed out, ND fans would be screaming foul. Who do YOU think we would point our fingers at? The players? The Dean? The University? I argue they would be pointed at the Head Coach.

 

Brian Kelly is THE GUY. He IS responsible for his players the same as managers are responsible for their employees, or parents their children. That is LIFE brother. Although I don't agree with this set of rules, I don't ignore them, and I surely don't cry about them, lol.

 

This same thing happened at Auburn about four years ago. All of the blame was put on the Professor that blew the whistle. Not the coach or players.

She even got death threats and was forced to resign.

I'll say it again, the priests should not be running the school. Knowing Bible versus doesn't qualify you to run the operations of a prestigious university.

 

Good grief, Elder, what planet are you from?

The Holy Cross order founded Notre Dame. Father Sorin purchased the land on which he he built the University of Notre Dame in 1842 and was the first president. A Holy Cross priest has always served as president and always will. Holy Cross priests made Notre Dame the prestigious university it is today.

God, Country, Notre Dame!!!!!

Brian Kelly's seat is now warm.

 

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It is not Official! Al Lesar has nothing to do with ND and after the hatchet job, he probably will not be invited to the cook out.

 

What decent coach would take the job? None!

They will have the same rules as Kelly.

There is no doubt BK is responsible for his team and the actions of his players. He does not strike me as a coach who minces words. I am sure the policies of BK and ND are crystal clear. He is, however, one man who cannot possibly supervise the actions of all his 18-23 year old players at once. Sometimes people make dumb decisions, but THEY must be held accountable for THEIR own decisions.

 

I believe that UND and BK have handled all of the negative issues extremely well. They haven't just swept things under the carpet like other schools do. You can say this is because ND is under a microscope of constant scrutiny, but I believe it is because they truly hold a higher standard. People may not agree with the consequences handed down to players, but at least the school took the initiative to reprimand their students.

 

Students who come to Notre Dame need to understand what it means to be a part of such a great university. Thousands of extremely qualified people apply to get in each year. Most will not make the cut. Many of those who come in on sports scholarships would not be there if it wasn't for their superior athletic talent. Don't get me wrong, I love having good athletic teams. I'm not even saying they shouldn't be there academically. Our graduation rates prove that we can help athletes who need the academic help. They just need to achieve their degree legitimately. They need to appreciate the value of a degree from the University of Notre Dame. I don't believe these incidents truly damage the integrity of Notre Dame. At the end of the day, nobody demonstrates accountability any better than Notre Dame.

 

Looking forward to a fun season! GO IRISH!

Kelly is doing what he is getting paid for and is doing a very good job.

 

I guarantee Kelly has specific verbiage in his contract pertaining to academic standards. He may even have academic performance based incentives, many coaches do. That makes it his responsibility in at least some respect. Similarly, he is the CEO of the football program and responsible for the players and their actions to some extent.

 

What ultimately matters is the scope of the issue, and whether Kelly knew anything about it or should have known something about it through his oversight responsibilities.

Most college coaches are control freaks. They have a general idea of what is going on with all of their players.

I guarantee Kelly has specific verbiage in his contract pertaining to academic standards. He may even have academic performance based incentives, many coaches do. That makes it his responsibility in at least some respect. Similarly, he is the CEO of the football program and responsible for the players and their actions to some extent.

 

What ultimately matters is the scope of the issue, and whether Kelly knew anything about it or should have known something about it through his oversight responsibilities.

 

Next time he should write the papers.

I'll say it again for those who disagree. Anybody who thinks BK will not be held accountable for EVERYTHING his team does is living in a dream. Of course BK can't sit with each of them all the time, duh. Although he didn't drink the alcohol, punch the cop, cheat, etc., let's observe how long the University will tolerate much more of this crap.

 

If this thing plays out and there isn't a miraculous reversal of fortune for the players who are sitting out right now, ALL FOUR OF THEM, let's take a poll about BK's future. Give this poll not to the die-hards here, but to the general population of ND Fans and Alums. His seat just got warm, period. It is not too difficult to go online and read.

 

Did I mention I like BK? I do. A lot.

 

I want him to do a better job of keeping his team out of the GD spotlight for a season. JUST ONE ****ING SEASON! I was so pumped for the Rice game and this just took the wind out of my sails. I pray Chiro is right.

I think BK will be held accountable by the different media outlets more so than by Notre Dame. If he has set ground rules for these kids about no cheating, stealing, lying etc. and they choose to break that during their own time, it's hard for me to put the blame on Kelly.

You are assuming in this post and the next I am a societal conformist. I am not. I am simply pointing out the way things in the real world operate. Most of us are on the inside looking in, and that makes it difficult for us to recognize this for what it is.

 

If this pattern of events happened at any other school, as many posters have already pointed out, ND fans would be screaming foul. would point our fingers at? The players? The Dean? The University? I argue they would be pointed at the Head Coach.

 

Brian Kelly is THE GUY. He IS responsible for his players the same as managers are responsible for their employees, or parents their children. That is LIFE brother. Although I don't agree with this set of rules, I don't ignore them, and I surely don't cry about them, lol.

 

I actually think the opposite would happen. If this happened at OSU, say, I bet most ND fans would think, "Wow, they're actually taking this situation seriously? Good for them, finally."

ND better get a National Championship out of Kelly because they've lost a ton in regards to standards.

 

No they haven't. The only difference in standards today compared to the past is media hyperbole. If you knew anything about ND's football program history, you'd know that there were player scandals much worse than these academic situations. The big difference is that the media wasn't ubiquitous back then and ND had more institutional control of the information they shared because they needed the football money. They do not need football like they used to. So, they grandstand to the media when they don't have to.

 

If Notre Dame was true to its Catholic mission, it would have lesser academic standards and bring in more inner city students to the school. Then, they would educate them in practical high school level teaching/coaching and send the graduates back to the inner city to be positive role models. Instead, the new ND-always conscious of its Stanford wannabe nature- trumpets its academic virtue unnecessarily to stroke its own ego.

I'll say it again, the priests should not be running the school. Knowing Bible versus doesn't qualify you to run the operations of a prestigious university.

 

Yes, my money says the message-board know-it-all knows who ought to run a university. Not the Oxford-educated priest who has spent his entire life in academia.