What's the highest you can see a 9-3 ND team ranked

[ndomer4]

Was reading Gen Wocsiesichowski (sure I spelt that wrong) half season report thing on ESPN. One of the things he is certain of is Notre Dame will squeak into a BCS bowl. Now I don't think a 10-2 ND team will squeak into in, I think they would get in easily.

 

I know the ND rule is if they go atleast 9-3 and are in the top 14 they are eligible for a BCS bowl. Now I believe if we`re in the top 14 we will make a BCS game somehow. ND is too big of a draw and too much money to give up taking them in a game.

 

I can`t picture a scenario however where we could get into the top 14 at 9-3. I can see us in the 15-25 range unless the chips fell into favor for us bigtime. Anyone have a scenario where they can see this happen?

[Parseghians theorem]

Was reading Gen Wocsiesichowski (sure I spelt that wrong) half season report thing on ESPN. One of the things he is certain of is Notre Dame will squeak into a BCS bowl. Now I don't think a 10-2 ND team will squeak into in, I think they would get in easily.

 

I know the ND rule is if they go atleast 9-3 and are in the top 14 they are eligible for a BCS bowl. Now I believe if we`re in the top 14 we will make a BCS game somehow. ND is too big of a draw and too much money to give up taking them in a game.

 

I can`t picture a scenario however where we could get into the top 14 at 9-3. I can see us in the 15-25 range unless the chips fell into favor for us bigtime. Anyone have a scenario where they can see this happen?

 

 

we best be rooting for fresno state to lose, i think.

zero scenarios involve us losing to anyone but stanford on the road.

if we play tough against them at their place and lose we'd have a shot.

a loss against USC takes away every top 25 vote we have now and ZERO matchups to earn much respect the rest of the season

[ndomer4]

we best be rooting for fresno state to lose, i think.

zero scenarios involve us losing to anyone but stanford on the road.

if we play tough against them at their place and lose we'd have a shot.

a loss against USC takes away every top 25 vote we have now and ZERO matchups to earn much respect the rest of the season

 

Makes a good point. Well if we have to lose a game then we better hope Stanford runs the table, they also play a very good UCLA team this weekend.

[hawaiiirish]

We aren't going to the BCS even if we reach 9-3-- a BIG IF--but who really cares--the BSC is DEADSYSTEM WALKING---lets win as many as we can--lets win a bowl game --- NEXT YEAR WE SHOOT FOR A TOP 4 FINISH AND WINNING THE FIRST TOURNAMENT__--- led by the sparkling play of Everett Golson of course--

 

aloha's

[smaster]

We aren't going to the BCS even if we reach 9-3-- a BIG IF--but who really cares--the BSC is DEADSYSTEM WALKING---lets win as many as we can--lets win a bowl game --- NEXT YEAR WE SHOOT FOR A TOP 4 FINISH AND WINNING THE FIRST TOURNAMENT__--- led by the sparkling play of Everett Golson of course--

 

aloha's

 

Sounds like you're mailing it in. That's not the Hawaii I know!

[Parseghians theorem]

We aren't going to the BCS even if we reach 9-3-- a BIG IF--but who really cares--the BSC is DEADSYSTEM WALKING---lets win as many as we can--lets win a bowl game --- NEXT YEAR WE SHOOT FOR A TOP 4 FINISH AND WINNING THE FIRST TOURNAMENT__--- led by the sparkling play of Everett Golson of course--

 

aloha's

 

only biff tannen can predict the sports future ....

[hawaiiirish]

Just trying to be realistic---we have a history with the BCS--- we went twice with 9 wins and both times it was a mistake---we went to the title game undefeated and that was not a stellar showing---

 

There is a built in bias against 9 win teams and ND is not going to break that in the last year given our BCS history.

 

Geez we are not even in the top 25--we have played sketchy looking football and lost to the two highest rated teams we played----we are going to IMPRESS NOBODY beating AF/Navy/Pitt---even USC is a mess and everyone knows it----

 

Talking BCS at 9-3 IMHO is beyond fanciful---that means we lose again--- either this week where we drop to #45--or at the end of the season when we play BYU or Stanford----that loss would UNDO much of the rankings progress we made in the games coming up.

 

There simply is NO WAY sans running the table and going 10-2 --- and THAT likely would not even get us into the top ten but would get us in the top 14 and strong BCS consideration.

 

Its a fete accompli that we CANNOT gain BCS with another loss---

 

But I reiterate-- who really cares---ANY BOWL WILL DO AS LONG AS WE WIN IT!!!!

 

BCS is TOAST ---it is sort of worthless unless you are in the title game---

 

My eyes are on the 2014 tournament--- that will have ALL THE SPORTS WORLD at attention--- the lowest game in the last BCS post season is just not something to get worked up about irrespective of the fact we need 10-2 to have that shot anyhow.

 

No worries--better days ahead---lets just BEAT USC and the rest will play out as its meant to.

 

aloha's go irish!

[Parseghians theorem]

Hawaii, you forget the people who run these games LOVE money.

If we are eligible for a BCS game, we will get picked.

 

only way we get bumped is if Fresno St pulls a Northern Illinois and gets high enough where they are, by rule, given an at-large spot.

 

10-2 and we are probably a lock.

9-3 is dependent on beating USC, as I said above.

[Grace Flanner]

Its a fete accompli that we CANNOT gain BCS with another loss---

 

But I reiterate-- who really cares---ANY BOWL WILL DO AS LONG AS WE WIN IT!!!!!

 

I'm pretty sure the administration cares. The payout difference is substantial. If ND does not go to a BCS game, they receive 1/66th of BCS revenue, maybe about $2 million. Playing in a BCS game provides them with about $6.7 - 7 million.

So there's that.

[piratey]

Just trying to be realistic---we have a history with the BCS--- we went twice with 9 wins and both times it was a mistake---we went to the title game undefeated and that was not a stellar showing---

 

There is a built in bias against 9 win teams and ND is not going to break that in the last year given our BCS history.

 

Geez we are not even in the top 25--we have played sketchy looking football and lost to the two highest rated teams we played----we are going to IMPRESS NOBODY beating AF/Navy/Pitt---even USC is a mess and everyone knows it----

 

Talking BCS at 9-3 IMHO is beyond fanciful---that means we lose again--- either this week where we drop to #45--or at the end of the season when we play BYU or Stanford----that loss would UNDO much of the rankings progress we made in the games coming up.

 

There simply is NO WAY sans running the table and going 10-2 --- and THAT likely would not even get us into the top ten but would get us in the top 14 and strong BCS consideration.

 

Its a fete accompli that we CANNOT gain BCS with another loss---

 

But I reiterate-- who really cares---ANY BOWL WILL DO AS LONG AS WE WIN IT!!!!

 

BCS is TOAST ---it is sort of worthless unless you are in the title game---

 

My eyes are on the 2014 tournament--- that will have ALL THE SPORTS WORLD at attention--- the lowest game in the last BCS post season is just not something to get worked up about irrespective of the fact we need 10-2 to have that shot anyhow.

 

No worries--better days ahead---lets just BEAT USC and the rest will play out as its meant to.

 

aloha's go irish!

 

I agree fully that a 9-3 ND won't sniff the top 14 and even if they were top 14, our selection would be a definite surprise. Let's crunch some numbers.

 

So I am not going to predict a NCG, just locks for the BCS. Clemson, tOSU, Oregon, Alabama, Louisville. I think Baylor wins the Big12. That's the six auto bids. With 4 spots left, one spot is kept warm for [insertSECTeam], another spot for [Winner of UCLA/Stanford] and then [Loser of this Weekends, Clemson/FSU game] That leaves one spot. Does it go to an undefeated Fresno State? I highly doubt another Big12 or B1G team qualifies. If I had to pick a team? Michigan State if they beat Michigan, no tOSU or Wisky sets them up for a 10 win season if they win at home against scUM.

 

 

But Hawaii. If you think a 10-2 Irish team isn't top 10, you're nuts. Losing early like we did, an extending winning streak, that's the blue print. Ending the season with a win over a ranked team? Top 10 for sure. Remember that they won't be voting to keep us out of the top spot. They'll slide an 8-2, 9-2, 10-2, Irish in a top 10 ranking.

[Parseghians theorem]

I agree fully that a 9-3 ND won't sniff the top 14 and even if they were top 14, our selection would be a definite surprise. Let's crunch some numbers.

 

So I am not going to predict a NCG, just locks for the BCS. Clemson, tOSU, Oregon, Alabama, Louisville. I think Baylor wins the Big12. That's the six auto bids. With 4 spots left, one spot is kept warm for [insertSECTeam], another spot for [Winner of UCLA/Stanford] and then [Loser of this Weekends, Clemson/FSU game] That leaves one spot. Does it go to an undefeated Fresno State? I highly doubt another Big12 or B1G team qualifies. If I had to pick a team? Michigan State if they beat Michigan, no tOSU or Wisky sets them up for a 10 win season if they win at home against scUM.

 

 

But Hawaii. If you think a 10-2 Irish team isn't top 10, you're nuts. Losing early like we did, an extending winning streak, that's the blue print. Ending the season with a win over a ranked team? Top 10 for sure. Remember that they won't be voting to keep us out of the top spot. They'll slide an 8-2, 9-2, 10-2, Irish in a top 10 ranking.

 

if we are eligible 9-3 ND goes over Sparty.

way more ND fans than Sparty fans to buy tickets and bowl swag ...

[97domer]

10-2 - we definitely go to a BCS (but I don't see a chance of us going 10-2)

9-3 - no chance we go to a BCS, but maybe I'll get my dream of stomping Florida in a non-BCS game

[Parseghians theorem]

i havent mapped out the scenarios of a 9-3 ND bcs team.

but why are people saying no chance?

 

I will say this. I think it is total BS that Sparty has more votes than ND in both polls.

The only ranked team they played, the lost to ... NOTRE DAME.

 

And they defeated Western Michigan, Youngstown St. and South Florida to start the season.

 

Notre Dame has played three ranked teams this season (1-2).

Edited October 16, 2013 by Parseghian's theorem

[corysold]

Going by the USA today poll, most seasons, the highest ranked 3 loss teams comes in between 12 and 16.

 

Now that isn't the BCS, but I didn't look at that fully.

 

However in:

 

2012 Oregon St was #14 at 9-3.

2011 Baylor was #16 at 9-3. Two teams were #12 and #13 at 10-3.

2010 Nebraska was #16 at 9-3.

2009 Va Tech was #12, LSU #13 at 9-3.

2008 Oregon was #13 at 9-3.

2007 Florida was #12 at 9-3.

 

So there is precedent for a 9-3 team to be ranked in the top 14, the question is whether ND has the resume to be that team. I don't think so at this point.

[Parseghians theorem]

thanks for that, Corey. Good info.

 

I think we can only lose to Stanford and have a shot. but it stinks losing to them even close because it would be a loss happening so late.

 

Would be hard to be at like No. 15-17, lose to Stanford and then jump.

but also hard to imagine losing to USC or any other team and then having stanford being a big enough jump

 

but maybe voters forget the past? Say ND lost to USC and then won out going 9-3. Beat an 11-1 Stanford team on the road. We'd be 8-3 heading in, maybe out of top 25 anyway or slightly in, but even a stanford win doesn't jump us into BCS contention.

 

9-3 is a stretch most likely.

[Katzenboyer]

I think Wojo's article assumes that for ND to "sneak" into the BCS, it would need to win out.

 

A 9-3 ND team isn't going to a BCS Bowl, IMO. And that may be a good thing, because I think we'd get stomped.

[Rockets Revenge]

Beat an 11-1 Stanford team on the road. We'd be 8-3 heading in, maybe out of top 25 anyway or slightly in, but even a stanford win doesn't jump us into BCS contention.

 

9-3 is a stretch most likely.

 

If ND beats Stanford they won't be 11-1. They would be 10-1 (assuming they beat Oregon) going in and 10-2 after ND beat them which would pull ND's SOS down more than an 11-1 Stanford.

 

With all the negative ND bias, especially by the SEC voters/coaches, I don't see a scenario with ND getting into the top 14 at 9-3 this year.