indyirishdad 0 Posted October 13, 2013 Share Posted October 13, 2013 I would like to carry over a conversation from Hawaii's USC thread. The new top 25 just came out. ND is still out of the top 25 with two losses to two top 25 teams. Go figure. Two-loss Florida on the other hand stays in with a loss to an unranked Miami squad (not sure if they were ranked when they beat Florida), two-loss Georgia stays in with a loss to then unranked Missouri, and two-loss Wisconsin stays in with a loss to Arizona State, a team the Irish beat. ND on the other hand loses respect and drops in others receiving votes down to 39 votes. This is pure anti-ND bias plain and simple fella's. It will NEVER change until ND does one of the following: A) Wins a NC soundly B) Joins a conference C) Eliminates the "Notre Dame Rule" with the BCS or (B) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morgandonor 44 Posted October 13, 2013 Share Posted October 13, 2013 They are a bunch of jackasses. How can ND who was right behind Aburun in the rankings fall. Are you serious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corysold 0 Posted October 13, 2013 Share Posted October 13, 2013 Michigan is now unranked. oU is 18. Miami is number 10. Doesn't matter much where they were when they played. So ND has a loss to #18, an unranked team and they are the only D1 team to keep Purdue within 31 points. Why exactly should they be ranked? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
echo88 74 Posted October 13, 2013 Share Posted October 13, 2013 I don't really understand why it matters if we are ranked or not. Would being ranked #23 make you feel better? With the caliber recruiting classes we have been hauling in, if we aren't in the top 10-15 then we might as well be unranked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indyirishdad 0 Posted October 13, 2013 Author Share Posted October 13, 2013 Michigan is now unranked. oU is 18. Miami is number 10. Doesn't matter much where they were when they played. So ND has a loss to #18, an unranked team and they are the only D1 team to keep Purdue within 31 points. Why exactly should they be ranked? http://espn.go.com/college-football/rankings/_/week/1 If they would have been ranked fairly from the get go, and then given the same treatment EVERY other team gets, somewhere in the top 25. I can count at least six teams in the top 25 I would put money on the Irish to beat. Do you disagree with my original post? If so, how? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indyirishdad 0 Posted October 13, 2013 Author Share Posted October 13, 2013 I don't really understand why it matters if we are ranked or not. Would being ranked #23 make you feel better? With the caliber recruiting classes we have been hauling in, if we aren't in the top 10-15 then we might as well be unranked. Echo, I don't disagree with your point. My point is that we continually get shafted. I think it may pertain to the ND Rule in the BCS. Keep us out of the top 8 and we have nothing to stand on. Why does ND need to jump through hoops, and why do we need to hear comments about ND's relevancy in the first place? Musburgers comments last year were defensive in nature. Why? Because people love to hate ND more than any other team in college football. He was defending the fact that the Irish would be playing for a NC to the masses. Were the Irish on par with Bama? Hell no, but they deserved the same shot ANY unbeaten team would have received. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toddrhodes 98 Posted October 13, 2013 Share Posted October 13, 2013 Michigan and ND being unranked is fitting. Both have struggled against weak opponents and neither has really proven anything, outside of being wildly inconsistent and having real troubles in important phases of the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corysold 0 Posted October 13, 2013 Share Posted October 13, 2013 http://espn.go.com/college-football/rankings/_/week/1 If they would have been ranked fairly from the get go, and then given the same treatment EVERY other team gets, somewhere in the top 25. I can count at least six teams in the top 25 I would put money on the Irish to beat. Do you disagree with my original post? If so, how? Sure, some teams are too high. Georgia for one. But that doesn't mean ND belongs. They don't have a win o WR a currently ranked team. They looked average in wins over Purdue and Temple. You say if they had been ranked fairly to start the year. They were a top 20 team. They've since not looked like a top 20 team. How is that unfair? Michigan has looked terrible. Losing to them looks bad. OU just got whooped. Losing to them looks bad. It is what is is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
golson5 221 Posted October 13, 2013 Share Posted October 13, 2013 I would like to carry over a conversation from Hawaii's USC thread. The new top 25 just came out. ND is still out of the top 25 with two losses to two top 25 teams. Go figure. Two-loss Florida on the other hand stays in with a loss to an unranked Miami squad (not sure if they were ranked when they beat Florida), two-loss Georgia stays in with a loss to then unranked Missouri, and two-loss Wisconsin stays in with a loss to Arizona State, a team the Irish beat. ND on the other hand loses respect and drops in others receiving votes down to 39 votes. This is pure anti-ND bias plain and simple fella's. It will NEVER change until ND does one of the following: A) Wins a NC soundly B) Joins a conference C) Eliminates the "Notre Dame Rule" with the BCS or (B) Miami wasn't unranked when the played fl. Florida two losses are much better than ours. Missouri was ranked 25 when the played Georgia and Georgias two losses are also better than ours. Wisconsin got screwed against az st so that is what that is all about. We should be ranked somewhere between 23 - 28. that is fair Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawaiiirish 62 Posted October 13, 2013 Share Posted October 13, 2013 Northern Illinois beat AKRON by 7 points--undefeated or not i just don't get that---an undefeated NI team should just barely SQUEEZE into the top 25---in now solidly is ABSURD. The ND bias is a little overstated the SEC BIAS is the driver---you get LOSS AFTER LOSS IN THE SEC---geez you need to lose 6 games to fall out of the top 25-- Our rating WILL EVEN OUT if we win--if we lose it won't matter much--- If we BEAT USC and take care of the next two to reach 7-2 we will have a nice ranking with BYU & Stanford coming up--- No worries if we win--- aloha's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indyirishdad 0 Posted October 13, 2013 Author Share Posted October 13, 2013 Sure, some teams are too high. Georgia for one. But that doesn't mean ND belongs. They don't have a win o WR a currently ranked team. They looked average in wins over Purdue and Temple. You say if they had been ranked fairly to start the year. They were a top 20 team. They've since not looked like a top 20 team. How is that unfair? Michigan has looked terrible. Losing to them looks bad. OU just got whooped. Losing to them looks bad. It is what is is. I'm with you Cory, but starting out at 14 was BS after playing for a NC, and every team has close wins over inferior opponents. I'm not arguing that ND belongs in the top 25. I am arguing that they should be given the same treatment as others. Instead, they typically get the exact opposite. I think Michigan has an argument to make here as well this season. Good teams find a way to win, and they have won all but one with a loss in 4 OT's. Argue the same stats for an SEC team. NO WAY they would drop out and you know it. How is this fair? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MantyIrish 0 Posted October 13, 2013 Share Posted October 13, 2013 I feel there is generally anti-ND bias out there usually. I look for it always. I feel we are appropriately ranked at around #30 right now. Echo, the reason it matters right now, is because to get to the top 14 by the end of the year.......it would be easier to start now in the top 25 vs 2 weeks from now. That is why people care where we are ranked. IndyIrishDad, I was o.k. with starting the season at 14....we lost Golson and Rees was our starter. With Michigan, Oklahoma, and Stanford on the schedule...there would be ample opportunity to move up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corysold 0 Posted October 13, 2013 Share Posted October 13, 2013 I'm with you Cory,but starting out at 14 was BS after playing for a NC,and every team has close wins over inferior opponents. I'm not arguing that ND belongs in the top 25. I am arguing that they should be given the same treatment as others. Instead, they typically get the exact opposite. I think Michigan has an argument to make here as well this season. Good teams find a way to win, and they have won all but one with a loss in 4 OT's. Argue the same stats for an SEC team. NO WAY they would drop out and you know it. How is this fair? I see your point now. The system isn't right. Georgia loses from #7 I believe and only drops to 15, while Mizzou goes up to 14. Funny how these middle of the road Big 12 teams are suddey powers just two years into the SEC. But, when you've won 7 in a row, I guess you deserve the benefit of the doubt. On e teams start beatin the SEC regularly, it'll change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indyirishdad 0 Posted October 13, 2013 Author Share Posted October 13, 2013 I feel there is generally anti-ND bias out there usually. I look for it always. I feel we are appropriately ranked at around #30 right now. Echo, the reason it matters right now, is because to get to the top 14 by the end of the year.......it would be easier to start now in the top 25 vs 2 weeks from now. That is why people care where we are ranked. IndyIrishDad, I was o.k. with starting the season at 14....we lost Golson and Rees was our starter. With Michigan, Oklahoma, and Stanford on the schedule...there would be ample opportunity to move up. Very nice post Manty. I love your optimism, but we should never accept abuse. I agree that we had plenty of opportunity to climb out of the hole. I just want people to recognize that WE WERE THROWN IN A HOLE. We are accustomed to this treatment as Irish Fans. Our attitudes reflect those of battered women to some extent. They still love us, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parseghians theorem 0 Posted October 13, 2013 Share Posted October 13, 2013 winnng takes care of rankings. so best not to worry too much about it. like echo said, if we were 23 and then lost to USC what the heck does it even matter? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrianKellyWasNotTheMan 12 Posted October 13, 2013 Share Posted October 13, 2013 Let's beat USC before we cry because we aren't in the top25. IMO we don't deserve to be in the top25, now that Michigan isn't in it, and Oklahoma got man handled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
echo88 74 Posted October 13, 2013 Share Posted October 13, 2013 (edited) Echo, I don't disagree with your point. My point is that we continually get shafted. I think it may pertain to the ND Rule in the BCS. Keep us out of the top 8 and we have nothing to stand on. Why does ND need to jump through hoops, and why do we need to hear comments about ND's relevancy in the first place? Musburgers comments last year were defensive in nature. Why? Because people love to hate ND more than any other team in college football. He was defending the fact that the Irish would be playing for a NC to the masses. Were the Irish on par with Bama? Hell no, but they deserved the same shot ANY unbeaten team would have received. Okay where do I start? First, there is no way in hell, even if we were in the top 25 that we can still end up in the top 8. Maybe if we blew the lid off every team left on our sked and took stanford to the woodshed---this clearly wont happen. We get to hear about relevancy because Notre Dame is the most recognizable name in college football. We dominated around the inception of the sport and we have provided some of the most intriguing story lines and participated in some of the most memorable moments in its history. Everyone, haters and fans alike, know that college football is at its best when a team like ND is relevant. We have to hear about relevancy because every time it looks like we have returned to the prominence of the top 10, we get hammered by an opponent in a BCS game. We have no respect in the current game and we continue to show that even when we do briefly garner it, it was never deserved in the first place. Musberger needed to defend it because most of the nation knew that there were a least 3 or 4 teams that were better than Nd--losses or not. We didnt impress in several of our wins and *gasp* we were smoked by a one loss Bama team. Musberger needed to defend it because it wasn't right. Playoffs will eliminate these kinds of situations. When we go undefeated, our relevancy needs to be defended because most of the nation knows that we don't have to take on the SEC (or whatever conference is most dominant) during the regular season. We don't have to play a conference championship and our invitation to upper tier bowl games has a lot to do with money. Even we recognize this. Our schedules usually anchor the sagarin rankings, but at the end of the season most of our "tough" opponents end up with 8 or so wins. We are relevant again when we go toe to toe with a giant on the big stage and actually put up a good fight. Blowouts after January 1st only justify the skepticism. Edited October 13, 2013 by echo88 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Domer Dude 0 Posted October 13, 2013 Share Posted October 13, 2013 Okay where do I start? First, there is no way in hell, even if we were in the top 25 that we can still end up in the top 8. Maybe if we blew the lid off every team left on our sked and took stanford to the woodshed---this clearly wont happen. We get to hear about relevancy because Notre Dame is the most recognizable name in college football. We dominated around the inception of the sport and we have provided some of the most intriguing story lines and participated in some of the most memorable moments in its history. Everyone, haters and fans alike, know that college football is at its best when a team like ND is relevant. We have to hear about relevancy because every time it looks like we have returned to the prominence of the top 10, we get hammered by an opponent in a BCS game. We have no respect in the current game and we continue to show that even when we do briefly garner it, it was never deserved in the first place. Musberger needed to defend it because most of the nation knew that there were a least 3 or 4 teams that were better than Nd--losses or not. We didnt impress in several of our wins and *gasp* we were smoked by a one loss Bama team. Musberger needed to defend it because it wasn't right. Playoffs will eliminate these kinds of situations. When we go undefeated, our relevancy needs to be defended because most of the nation knows that we don't have to take on the SEC (or whatever conference is most dominant) during the regular season. We don't have to play a conference championship and our invitation to upper tier bowl games has a lot to do with money. Even we recognize this. Our schedules usually anchor the sagarin rankings, but at the end of the season most of our "tough" opponents end up with 8 or so wins. We are relevant again when we go toe to toe with a giant on the big stage and actually put up a good fight. Blowouts after January 1st only justifies the skepticism. No way in hell that the Kansas State and Oregon would lose last year and we end up in National Championship. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
echo88 74 Posted October 13, 2013 Share Posted October 13, 2013 No way in hell that the Kansas State and Oregon would lose last year and we end up in National Championship. And if you want to be objective about it, lets pretend we lost one game last year and OSU was bowl eligible. How do you think the nation would've felt about OSU getting a shot at Bama in the title game? Outraged and understandably so. OSU wasn't impressive at all last year and if their undefeated season counted, they would have been at the base of this argument instead of us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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