corysold Posted September 29, 2013 Share Posted September 29, 2013 It's odd that after 4 seasons, I don't know what to make of Kelly for certain. There are positives: Undefeated season. Recruiting well. But there are negatives: Only 19-12 without Golson/transcendent D. Lack of development in area of team (QB, LB, DB) There are obviously more on both sides. I don't intend this to be a "fire Kelly" thread, as I don't think he's anywhere near that at this point. I just usually feel after 3-4 seasons you know what you have in a coach. I don't get that feeling with Kelly. On one hand, he got to the title game. On the other, who wouldn't have with that defense. One one hand, he made Golson look pretty good as a RS Frosh. On the other hand, Rees seems to be worse as a senior. One one hand, the recruiting seems to be going well. On the other hand, there is an exodus of players. On one hand, his overall record is pretty solid. On the other hand, consistency seems to be an issue. One one hand, it "appears" ND has talent all over the field. On the other hand, it "appears" that ND is not playing to it's level. Just sort of a conundrum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocketsan Posted September 29, 2013 Share Posted September 29, 2013 He's forever tainted in my eyes with the Tulsa fiasco. If ever the school needed a win, it was after that week that was... to muff that up royally is inexcusable... I might have forgiven him if we'd handed it to Alabama, but we didn't so I'll continue to hang on to that. My take on it is that his inflexibility will be his downfall... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndmike88 Posted September 29, 2013 Share Posted September 29, 2013 He is turning into a Charlie Weis. Great recruiter but can't develop the talent he has. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katzenboyer Posted September 29, 2013 Share Posted September 29, 2013 He's forever tainted in my eyes with the Tulsa fiasco. If ever the school needed a win, it was after that week that was... to muff that up royally is inexcusable... Seriously? He'll be forever tainted because they lost a game his first season where he had to play a true freshman QB who, from reading this board, is the worst QB to ever wear gold and blue? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuterooster Posted September 29, 2013 Share Posted September 29, 2013 The problem I have with the Tulsa game is that Kelly asked Rees to di too much just like Kelly is asking Rees to do more than he is capable of this year. R Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuterooster Posted September 29, 2013 Share Posted September 29, 2013 Sorry, hit a wrong key. Rees could be a serviceable QB in a system like Alabama runs with AJ. Run the ball with a few play action passes. Rees just isn't talented enough to run the type of offense that Kelly wants to run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NDBadaBing Posted September 29, 2013 Share Posted September 29, 2013 Nothing peronal, but the good news for the rest of us is Jack Swarbrick isn't nearly as in decisive as some of the wishy washy fans we have. Brian Kelly is the best thing Notre Dame's got going for itself by a country mile. Our back-up quarterback threw three picks - two of which directly led to 14 points and the other one creating a 14-point swing - and we lost to a top 15 team by exactly 14 points. The fact we were still in that game after giving the ball away three back-breaking times is testitment to how good a coach Brian is. We will soon have our quarterback back, and it will make all the difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katzenboyer Posted September 29, 2013 Share Posted September 29, 2013 Nothing peronal, but the good news for the rest of us is Jack Swarbrick isn't nearly as in decisive as some of the wishy washy fans we have. Brian Kelly is the best thing Notre Dame's got going for itself by a country mile. Our back-up quarterback threw three picks - two of which directly led to 14 points and the other one creating a 14-point swing - and we lost to a top 15 team by exactly 14 points. The fact we were still in that game after giving the ball away three back-breaking times is testitment to how good a coach Brian is. We will soon have our quarterback back, and it will make all the difference. I think that Rees can actually be considered our third-string QB. If Kiel hadn't transferred before Golson's dismissal, he'd be the starter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zemaniak Posted September 29, 2013 Share Posted September 29, 2013 Too easy to blame transfers on the kids being flaky.. 1, 2? Ok... How many before we start questioning how the staff is handling these matters? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NDBadaBing Posted September 29, 2013 Share Posted September 29, 2013 I think that Rees can actually be considered our third-string QB. If Kiel hadn't transferred before Golson's dismissal, he'd be the starter. You sir are correct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katzenboyer Posted September 29, 2013 Share Posted September 29, 2013 Too easy to blame transfers on the kids being flaky.. 1, 2? Ok... How many before we start questioning how the staff is handling these matters? Kiel's transfer had everything to do with the fact that if he stayed, he would only have one season to play because Golson was the entrenched starter. So...no, I don't blame the staff on how this was handled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irishrb Posted September 29, 2013 Share Posted September 29, 2013 I'll agree that I don't feel like I know what we have in Kelly either. He is a proven success everywhere he has gone but right now I see a stubborn man with too much ego to adapt his system, or philosophy of who plays, to serve the better of the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocketsan Posted September 29, 2013 Share Posted September 29, 2013 Seriously? He'll be forever tainted because they lost a game his first season where he had to play a true freshman QB who, from reading this board, is the worst QB to ever wear gold and blue? When all he had to do was line up and kick the field goal for the win? FU(K!NG RIGHT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zemaniak Posted September 29, 2013 Share Posted September 29, 2013 Kiel's transfer had everything to do with the fact that if he stayed, he would only have one season to play because Golson was the entrenched starter. So...no, I don't blame the staff on how this was handled. EG was one run away from a concussion every time he tucked the ball....the guy was scary and would put his body at risk WAY more than he needed to How can Kiel not see that? If not, How could the coaching staff subtly let him know about the possibility? How do you let that kind of talent go? Sometimes, you gotta know how to manipulate...for the greater good What was EV promised? Or he's just a flake, right? Lynch...i can give you Lynch...but still, whole lot of unhappy players here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katzenboyer Posted September 29, 2013 Share Posted September 29, 2013 EG was one run away from a concussion every time he tucked the ball....the guy was scary and would put his body at risk WAY more than he needed to How can Kiel not see that? If not, How could the coaching staff subtly let him know about the possibility? How do you let that kind of talent go? Hindsight is 20/20. What did you want Kelly to do, kidnap Kiel's family? If the kid wants to transfer, you let him transfer. Sometimes, you gotta know how to manipulate...for the greater good So you want Kelly to manipulate the situation to make Kiel stick around, and then bring up EV (who said he was misled about course work/something else at ND)? Hypocrisy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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