Shamrocker Posted September 24, 2013 Share Posted September 24, 2013 (edited) And the NCAA continues to be a joke. Instead of 15 scholarships each of the next two years, they'll have 20 next year and the full 25 amount the following year. Post season ban will probably be lifted after this season as well. http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/2013/09/24/ncaa-executive-committee-to-gradually-restore-penn-state-scholarships/2860989/ Edited September 24, 2013 by Shamrocker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcgov12 Posted September 24, 2013 Share Posted September 24, 2013 You know what? I'm ok with that decision....I just can't stand listening to all these "joebots" out here in PA that automatically say this is because the ncaa has found fault in the Freeh report. They don't want to hear that it's because psu has tried to move forward from the paterno era and followed through on 115 of the 119 recommendations. All I get to hear now is how the next move is to reinstate joepas wins. I hope that never happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockets Revenge Posted September 25, 2013 Share Posted September 25, 2013 I think the NCAA finally realized they were out of their jurisdiction on this one. I agree with your assessment fo the NCAA as a joke at this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corysold Posted September 25, 2013 Share Posted September 25, 2013 The NCAA is a joke because of themselves. If they were simply consistent across the board, you could at least aaa that about them. Reggie Bush takes money, drop the hammer. DJ Fluker takes money, move on, nothing to see here. De Bryant lies about something not illegal, full season suspension. Manziel lies about something illegal, one half. They are a joke of their own making. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parseghians theorem Posted September 25, 2013 Share Posted September 25, 2013 agree on everything u said cory but there is no proof for manziel case. dealers wont talk and NCAA has no subpoena powers. he was suspended a half for breaking spirit of rule. we know he signed but there is no proof he profited. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockets Revenge Posted September 25, 2013 Share Posted September 25, 2013 (edited) agree on everything u said cory but there is no proof for manziel case. dealers wont talk and NCAA has no subpoena powers. he was suspended a half for breaking spirit of rule. we know he signed but there is no proof he profited. So what is the excuse for DJ Fluker?? Yahoo printed receipts and phone records. They don't need proof beyond a resonable doubt. The NCAA isn't a court of law. They are the sole decider much like Roger Goodell in the NFL. The problem, as Cory stated, is that the NCAA isn't consistent. Some cases (Reggie Bush, Dez Bryant) get the book thrown at them while others (Cam Newton, JFF, DJ Fluker, and SEC school) get a free pass. Edited September 25, 2013 by Rocket's Revenge Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotty88 Posted September 25, 2013 Share Posted September 25, 2013 They are soul suckers much like Roger Goodell in the NFL. fixed it for you why apply the sanctions only to lift them early? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockets Revenge Posted September 25, 2013 Share Posted September 25, 2013 fixed it for you why apply the sanctions only to lift them early? Well you are entitled to your opinion. I like Roger Goodell. He holds NFL players accountable for their on & off field actions. They are role models whether or not they like it or want to be. It comes with the territory. I don't believe the NCAA should have imposed sanctions on Penn State in the fist place. In my opinion it was a kne-jerk reaction and out of their jurisdiction. A lot of the NCAA's recent actions don't make any sense. Why suspend JFF for 1/2 game if he didn't break any rules? Why does NCAA need proof to suspend him? Why did they rule in <2 weeks yet Miami case has been open 3 years? Etc..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotty88 Posted September 25, 2013 Share Posted September 25, 2013 Well you are entitled to your opinion. I like Roger Goodell. He holds NFL players accountable for their on & off field actions. They are role models whether or not they like it or want to be. It comes with the territory. I don't believe the NCAA should have imposed sanctions on Penn State in the fist place. In my opinion it was a kne-jerk reaction and out of their jurisdiction. A lot of the NCAA's recent actions don't make any sense. Why suspend JFF for 1/2 game if he didn't break any rules? Why does NCAA need proof to suspend him? Why did they rule in <2 weeks yet Miami case has been open 3 years? Etc..... I think Goodell has done the league well for the most part. I just question some of the rule changes, thoughts of lengthening the season with all these injury concerns. The NFL is a cash grab, NCAA is no different. I think the NCAA had to punish Penn State, at least in some form. You can't cover up crimes in the name of football, especially violent, sexual crimes against kids. Something had to change that culture in Happy Valley and for me it's hard to believe it has changed in this small amount of time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NDhoosier Posted September 25, 2013 Share Posted September 25, 2013 I think Goodell has done the league well for the most part. I just question some of the rule changes, thoughts of lengthening the season with all these injury concerns. The NFL is a cash grab, NCAA is no different. I think the NCAA had to punish Penn State, at least in some form. You can't cover up crimes in the name of football, especially violent, sexual crimes against kids. Something had to change that culture in Happy Valley and for me it's hard to believe it has changed in this small amount of time. Goodell is not the one pushing the rule changes, it is the former players who are suing the NFL for being too "violent" and all that concussion stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotty88 Posted September 25, 2013 Share Posted September 25, 2013 Goodell is not the one pushing the rule changes, it is the former players who are suing the NFL for being too "violent" and all that concussion stuff. ok, not a fan of Goodell internationalizing the game and do not like how he has been deemed judge, jury, and executioner. He has too much power.....is that better? lol Too much power can be a bad thing.....think Joe Pa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jfschellcrna Posted September 25, 2013 Share Posted September 25, 2013 most people around here know how much i loathe PSU, but they seriously got a raw deal........... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlirish Posted September 25, 2013 Share Posted September 25, 2013 However, their lawyers with some help from the Big Ten got it reduced. If this would have happened to a smaller program or program without the support of a big conference, they would be finished. This probation not only effects PSU, but it also effects the Big Ten's pocket books. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockets Revenge Posted September 25, 2013 Share Posted September 25, 2013 However, their lawyers with some help from the Big Ten got it reduced. If this would have happened to a smaller program or program without the support of a big conference, they would be finished. This probation not only effects PSU, but it also effects the Big Ten's pocket books. So what would have happened if the NCAA gave Penn State the death penalty last year then came back this week and recanted and said, "Oh sorry. We were wrong. You can start your football program back up immediately." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shamrocker Posted September 25, 2013 Author Share Posted September 25, 2013 most people around here know how much i loathe PSU, but they seriously got a raw deal........... Whether you agreed with the punishment or not, since when does the NCAA reduce sanctions 1 year after handing them down? Why didn't they reduce USC's sanctions midway through? Why don't they reinstate Jim Tressel? You get a punishment, you serve it. Plain and simple. At the time I was surprised by the severity of the punishment, but I applauded the NCAA for taking such a harsh stance. After all the man raped a boy on campus and they all covered it up. The NCAA was clearly grand standing when they handed down that punishment and now that the dust has settled and people have forgotten about Sandusky the NCAA is quietly giving back Penn State all those scholarships. Instead of losing 20 total scholarships next year and the year after, they'll be losing just 5 total scholarships. That's a huge difference. What has Penn State done in one year to warrant that? Maybe its the two pending lawsuits against the NCAA from PSU supporters? There's no consistency with the NCAA. Eddie Vanderoos gets to play this year, meanwhile Davonte Neal had two appeals to play this year denied, even though he has a child in Arizona. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stdntDrvr Posted September 25, 2013 Share Posted September 25, 2013 Whether you agreed with the punishment or not, since when does the NCAA reduce sanctions 1 year after handing them down? Why didn't they reduce USC's sanctions midway through? because USC hired Lane Kiffin...I realize that he should be punishment enough, but I think they're not reducing their sanctions simply because USC was stupid enough to hire him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
da coach Posted September 26, 2013 Share Posted September 26, 2013 The summary judgement and disciplinary action applied by the ncaa were administered in cooperation and agreement without stated opposition by the Penn State University board of trustees. For a reduction in punishment to occur, it was done proactively by the ncaa and approved by mark Emmert. The ncaa has been getting killed by the "joe bots", Jay Bilas and other talking heads meanwhile the networks want their alumni association (largest in the nation) - The ncaa is under no requirement and their reaction to pressure can only be viewed as a major concession to the networks...particularly abc/espn and the big ten network who carry the primary broadcast rights and share revenues from these telecasts... The big ten network is not growing as rapidly as they'd hoped... Expansion into the Northeast with Rutgers and Maryland is only able to reach revenue promises and expectations by having a competitive penn state regional rivalry...Few programs bring the numbers the way Penn State does...If there is a national interest or story to create or accelerate that is where the big networks come in to do a redemption piece and reinvigorate a cash cow audience. Sadly, all of this is gathering news and the ongoing trials of the administration who covered up and conspired to conceal information facilitating future sexual assaults upon minors and alleged to have occurred in your grounds...is not yet on the national networks agenda. Some will say the outrage and vitriol died with Paterno, while publicity zealots keeping the argument alive in an attempt to restore/protect the football program and the Paterno legacy still fill twitter timelines and lust for the national spotlight. So in the end, I ask you...how do you feel about the job mark Emmert is doing? Does he reflect the leadership and standards of the ncaa ? That job should have gone to Evan Bayh and get away from the university presidents going forward...the job simply has too much at stake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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