DamshaBua Posted September 20, 2013 Share Posted September 20, 2013 http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/9698504/arian-foster-says-took-benefits-playing-tennessee-volunteers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackIrish42 Posted September 20, 2013 Share Posted September 20, 2013 I absolutely agree with everything he said in the article. Good for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Domer Dude Posted September 20, 2013 Share Posted September 20, 2013 God forbid someone have to work hard to get ahead in life. Welcome to the world of a normal college kid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moostache Posted September 20, 2013 Share Posted September 20, 2013 (edited) So, for the "the players DESERVE money" crowd, how exactly is this money to be paid out? I hear tons of "these kids deserve to be paid" arguments and almost NONE of them actually address the stickiest of stickies....HOW? Proportionally to production...complete with goals, performance reviews, probationary periods and formal terminations? Are disputes to be arbitrated by the NLRB or some other government agency or his that crack group of go-getters in the NCAA offices shown so much competence that everyone is totally OK with THEM adjudicating disputed releases or payment structures? For High school kids, does that 5th star from some no-name recruiting service in Iowa entitle them to MORE money than say a reserve player entering their junior year? How do the juniors and seniors who have put so much in already by that point or a three-star overlooked Tight End like a Tyler Eifert DESERVE less than the supposedly can't miss 5 star running back like a James Aldridge or the sure-fire round one pick to be at quarterback like a Jimmy Clausen or a Dayne Crist? And does anyone doubt for one second that if paying players were legal that the bidding wars would replace recruitment and the highest bidder and largest signing bonus would get the player? How then does that serve the golden goose of college football....where at least the illusion of a somewhat even playing field exists for the Michigan States and Texas Techs and Virginia Techs of the world? The paying of players opens Pandora's box and ends college football EVERYWHERE. Does anyone REALLY want a world where the top 10-20 programs in the nation buy all the best High school and transfer players while the lower tier schools try to scrimp by on the left-overs while trying to scrap up the dollars to pay even those schleps? Now, if someone wants to invest the capital to create an NFL developmental league for players age 17 to 21 who have graduated High School or earned a GED, I say let them...if getting kids to play for a year by year pittance versus the long-range rewards of a college education and degree for a more secure future were such a winning idea, there would have been minor league football in places like Scranton, Durham and Fort Wayne decades ago... Its a losing proposition. Players get free room and board, tuition, tutors, athletic trainers and doctors and a host of other benefits that the general population student is not getting. Yes, the scholarships could be increased - across the board - to provide better off-season options and assistance to players, but then the penalties for programs caught paying extra need to be utterly extreme - first offense = forfeiture of all games in season, all coaches involved or implicated get probation and a second violation becomes a 10 year ban, second offense = 5 year scholarship reduction to 2/3rd's of all other schools, all coaches involved or implicated in the school's second violation receive 5 year bans, all those PERSONALLY implicated a second time receive 10 year bans; 3rd offense = death penalty, lifetime coaching bans. The rules need to be enforced in draconian fashion and the players given benefits to cover the totality of their college experience - including meager off-season stipends for ALL players, but the same for water polo and tennis as for football and basketball.... Don't like it? Don't accept it....band together with your fellow oppressed athletes and form your own professional minor leagues. Edited September 20, 2013 by moostache Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frankus Posted September 20, 2013 Share Posted September 20, 2013 The problem is, if the universities pay the athletes, they athletes will still get paid by the boosters, who will pay to gain a competitive advantage.. Until there are serious financial penalties to both the athletes and the schools, the players will take the money. Foster is sneering at the NCAA. That's how toothless they are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawaiiirish Posted September 20, 2013 Share Posted September 20, 2013 Its hard not to be sympathetic to the plight of an athlete in the description he describes, that should be mitigated. And even for a millionaire like Mr. Foster he does show the courage of his convictions to put himself out in front of an unpredictable press and public. That said there are endemic problems involved in paying athletes. IMO there should be included IN ALL D1 football schollies an allowance for all basics but staying in the low 3 figures, that would address the issues Foster decribes. Given the overall ABSURD cost of tuition adding what would be a few thousand over a 4 year period it should not be that big a deal. There are other issues though that surface in this conundrum, what about the other D1 sports, why should football players be the only ones getting the allowance?--If you just be lassiez faire and let MANZEL go to the open market for million dollar endorsement deals what would that do to the CIRCUS that college football has become in some ways, and how much of that money should A&M be entitled to?---If you just let boosters and market forces work directly on players then you just FALL OFF THE EDGE and the joke recruitment is now would be put on STERIODS as coaches have to PITCH HOW MANY BUCKS YOU CAN REEL IN! There are no easy answers--I think some kind of baseline stipend that covers any HARDSHIPS -- maybe something that needs to be applied for, but is easy to get ,for any athletes in any D1 sport if they can show hardship necessity. Since Jim Thorpe this has been an issue, its likely not going away soon. aloha's GO IRISH BEAT MSU!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corysold Posted September 21, 2013 Share Posted September 21, 2013 How did he have no food if a scholarship is full room and board? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeaverND Posted September 21, 2013 Share Posted September 21, 2013 How did he have no food if a scholarship is full room and board? Because he is lying/exaggerating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pregame Posted September 21, 2013 Share Posted September 21, 2013 God forbid someone have to work hard to get ahead in life. Welcome to the world of a normal college kid. Ya because a college kid would lose eligibility if he accepted tacos from his professor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pregame Posted September 21, 2013 Share Posted September 21, 2013 I absolutely agree with everything he said in the article. Good for him. He's a bright, thoughtful dude. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jfschellcrna Posted September 21, 2013 Share Posted September 21, 2013 I absolutely agree with everything he said in the article. Good for him. i call bullshit.............. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pregame Posted September 21, 2013 Share Posted September 21, 2013 How did he have no food if a scholarship is full room and board? I was thinking the same thing. Maybe their food plan is based on a price per meal (hence the $87 a week). ND players get a certain amt of dormer dollars which is money used at on campus spots, maybe he meant something similar to that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Domer Dude Posted September 21, 2013 Share Posted September 21, 2013 (edited) This is stupid...He can go home and stay with mama...because kids thing they should have everything cause I made it in the pro's. Hello...what was your mama giving you at home...My boy is in the pro's dammit...He deserves everything and I owe nothing...The school can pay for his a$$ cause I am priveledged now don't you know... Beyond stupid... Edited September 21, 2013 by Domer Dude Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pregame Posted September 21, 2013 Share Posted September 21, 2013 This is stupid...He can go home and stay with mama...because kids thing they should have everything cause I made it in the pro's. Hello...what was your mama giving you at home...My boy is in the pro's dammit...He deserves everything and I owe nothing...The school can pay for his a$$ cause I am priveledged now don't you know... Beyond stupid... You mad, bro? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parseghians theorem Posted September 21, 2013 Share Posted September 21, 2013 lots of college kids have nothing. he admitted to breaking the rules. there is no way you can pay players. once you do you create uncapped uncontrollable situation. and cheating and corruptness and scandal will become even more prevalent. boosters pay top recruit to come to school $5 million? and he hasnt proven anything? what if that kid leaves? can never transfer schools? boosters just stuck wasting money? not to mention you bring big money into this and where does it stop? you only introduce cheating on a larger scale ... and do you only pay FB players?? someone brought up title IX and it is the best point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irishrush Posted September 21, 2013 Share Posted September 21, 2013 I was thinking the same thing. Maybe their food plan is based on a price per meal (hence the $87 a week). ND players get a certain amt of dormer dollars which is money used at on campus spots, maybe he meant something similar to that? Me, too. I had a schollie at ND. When I moved off campus, all the money that went to room and board went in my pocket. I can't remember, but it was probably several thousand dollars 20 years ago. For a college kid, I was rich biatch. I lived in a modest apartment and didn't eat out all the time, etc. I am sure these kids probably want to live in top notch places and blow their money on electronics, clothes, etc. That is where they have to have better oversight from someone in the program - counselors, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrishGuy Posted September 21, 2013 Share Posted September 21, 2013 How did he have no food if a scholarship is full room and board? because he used that money for clothes, entertainment, going out, alcohol....etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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