1st down rushing: Purdue

[Parseghians theorem 0]

Just a little stat here from Purdue game.

 

1Q: 4 rushes on first down, 0 yards

(not one first down pass)

 

2Q: 3 rushes on first down, 12 yards

(four first down passes, 0 yards).

 

First half: three points

 

3Q: 2 rushes on first down, -2 yards, TD

4Q: 4 rushes on first down, 21 yards (all came on final drive when running out the clock.

 

Second half: 21 points

 

**Tommy 7-11 on first down throws for 145 yards and 1 TD in second half

[Rattlesnake 54]

Just a little stat here from Purdue game.

 

1Q: 4 rushes on first down, 0 yards

(not one first down pass)

 

2Q: 3 rushes on first down, 12 yards

(four first down passes, 0 yards).

 

First half: three points

 

3Q: 2 rushes on first down, -2 yards, TD

4Q: 4 rushes on first down, 21 yards (all came on final drive when running out the clock.

 

Second half: 21 points

 

**Tommy 7-11 on first down throws for 145 yards and 1 TD in second half

 

Hmmm.. 33 throws and 37 rushes.. and did we win the game? Yes.. So shut the hell up...

 

Looks like we're 21-0 now when rushing more than throwing, Piratey.

 

And do you really want to start a fight picking thread again? After you complained like a little girl about us attacking you last week?

[Rattlesnake 54]

And what do you think opened up the passing game in the second half? What do you think allowed Tommy to throw on first down?

[Parseghians theorem 0]

Hmmm.. 33 throws and 37 rushes.. and did we win the game? Yes.. So shut the hell up...

 

Looks like we're 21-0 now when rushing more than throwing, Piratey.

 

And do you really want to start a fight picking thread again? After you complained like a little girl about us attacking you last week?

 

Notre Dame had 32 throws and 27 rushes before they went into run the clock out mode on the final drive.

First half: 7 rushes for 12 yards excellent?

Is this what opened things up for Tommy in the second half?

Edited September 16, 2013 by Parseghian's theorem

[NDhoosier 1,339]

Hmmm.. 33 throws and 37 rushes.. and did we win the game? Yes.. So shut the hell up...

 

Looks like we're 21-0 now when rushing more than throwing, Piratey.

 

And do you really want to start a fight picking thread again? After you complained like a little girl about us attacking you last week?

 

but we looked pretty bad doing it. It is obvious that we were more successful throwing the ball on 1st down than running it, yet everyone keeps saying "run it down their throats." If you cannot see it and understand it, then I feel sorry for you. That was too close of a game for you to dismiss this stat like it was nothing.

[Rattlesnake 54]

Notre Dame had 32 throws and 27 rushes before they went into run the clock out mode on the final drive.

First half: 7 rushes for 12 yards excellent?

Is this what opened things up for Tommy in the second half?

 

In a 7 point ballgame, "run the clock out mode" was necessary and vital. Don't act like this was a 3 TD ballgame at that point and they were running just to let the time tick.

 

And the threat was there.. So, yes.. It is what opened things up for Tommy.

 

If you attempt to run the football, let's say, 10 times.. And it's not effective (1-2 yds/attempt).. Do you :

A. Abandon the run entirely?

B. Keep running?

 

Hint : the answer is B. If you abandon the run entirely, you are dead in the water. So, even if the rushing game wasn't necessarily effective, it WAS vital to us winning that game because it opened up the passing game. Purdue couldn't drop 8 into coverage because the threat of run was there.. Something it wasn't against Michigan.

[Rattlesnake 54]

but we looked pretty bad doing it. It is obvious that we were more successful throwing the ball on 1st down than running it, yet everyone keeps saying "run it down their throats." If you cannot see it and understand it, then I feel sorry for you. That was too close of a game for you to dismiss this stat like it was nothing.

 

LOL - again, do you not think running the football is only effective if we gain 8 yds/rush?

 

Rushing the football serves more than 1 purpose.. If you abandon it, you will lose.

[piratey 6]

Notre Dame had 32 throws and 27 rushes before they went into run the clock out mode.

First half: 7 rushes for 12 yards excellent?

Is this what opened things up for Tommy in the second half?

 

Cherry picking stats...

 

What is this 7 rushes for 12 yards you speak of? The last drive of the first half was 5 rushes for 19...

 

That "Run out the clock mode" thing? That's the difference in the ball game, you cannot just write it off to suit your needs. We got the ball, up one possession with 7:22 on the clock in the fourth and Cam McDaniel willed this team to a W. This was akin to Hughes against USC in 2010. If we put that ball on that series, there isn't a doubt in my mind Purdue doesn't drive the field for a TD and send the game to OT.

[Parseghians theorem 0]

Cherry picking stats?

 

What is this 7 rushes for 12 yards you speak of? The last drive of the first half was 5 rushes for 19...

 

That "Run out the clock mode" thing? That's the difference in the ball game, you cannot just write it off to suite your needs. We got the ball, up one possession with 7:22 on the clock in the fourth and Cam McDaniel willed this team to a W. This was akin to Hughes against USC in 2010. If we put that ball on that series, there isn't a doubt in my mind Purdue doesn't drive the field for a TD and send the game to OT.

 

 

I'm not cherry picking stats. I'm giving you all first down rushing stats. ND wanted to run the clock out. At Michigan, the threw a bunch at the end of the game because they were losing by more than two scores at multiple times.

 

7 for 12 yards is the first down runs in first half

everyone said run the ball on first down.

 

They did and it left them in:

2nd and 13

2nd and 10

2nd and 9

2nd and 8

2nd and 8

2nd and 6

 

When ND passes on first down, they are trying to beat a D through the air when they might be expecting the run. Even the short screen passes are designed to be a substitute to beat the defense when they stack the box. We just have to block. If we get two, three or four yards on it, it is just like a run on first down.

[stdntDrvr 12]

are you counting the tosses out to Atkinson as passes or runs?

[Parseghians theorem 0]

are you counting the tosses out to Atkinson as passes or runs?

 

I'm using the gamebook.

[nd1baby 0]

PT is clearly the best fisherman on the board.

[VCDomer 75]

Where is the motion on this offense? We seem to just line up in the same formation everytime and run a play. Nothing inventive or creative about this offense. Also, the TJ Jones fielding punts experiment should be over now! Pathetic special teams that actually look worse than last year. Didnt think it was possible.

[NDhoosier 1,339]

LOL - again, do you not think running the football is only effective if we gain 8 yds/rush?

 

Rushing the football serves more than 1 purpose.. If you abandon it, you will lose.

 

dont put words in my mouth to try and make your point seem more credible. I never said abandon the run, nor did I say anything about 8yds/rush is necessary. People need to stop asking for the run on every play like they have been because of two reasons:

1) It is not as successful as it should be to run it that often. When the run is working like it did with Cam on the last drive, then by all means, continue it. It was clear early on that the run was not working, so why keep doing it over and over again? When the run isnt working, you dont abandon it, but you sure as hell dont make it your go to play either.

2) Rees has done very well so far throwing the ball

[Rattlesnake 54]

dont put words in my mouth to try and make your point seem more credible. I never said abandon the run, nor did I say anything about 8yds/rush is necessary. People need to stop asking for the run on every play like they have been because of two reasons:

1) It is not as successful as it should be to run it that often. When the run is working like it did with Cam on the last drive, then by all means, continue it. It was clear early on that the run was not working, so why keep doing it over and over again? When the run isnt working, you dont abandon it, but you sure as hell dont make it your go to play either.

2) Rees has done very well so far throwing the ball

 

When on earth did I (or anybody) say to run the football every play? I said the run is necessary.. and a 52/19 split wouldn't ever be successful with this team.

 

Now, would you say the pass was working against Michigan? And should we have abandoned it because it wasn't? No.

 

You stick to your gameplan.. And that's all I've been saying this whole time. We abandoned the run against Michigan and lost.. We stuck with the run against Purdue and won.

[Parseghians theorem 0]

the original numbers i posted were simply to show the team's lack of success of running on first down. you are free to interpret them however you would like.

 

when we throw efficiently on first down we can make teams pay on first down. teams will have to decide to keep eight in the box if they think we will run it. if they do we have to make them pay. (there was nine in the box on DD 82 yard TD catch). when we throw on first down and burn them defenses have to adjust. and then we are dictating what the defense does. either way, we have to execute better whether it is a run or a pass.

 

but rattle, we know we dont know the gameplan. but you are right that there still has to be a commitment to running the ball. im all for it. but the two work off each other as we already know.

[Rattlesnake 54]

the original numbers i posted were simply to show the team's lack of success of running on first down. you are free to interpret them however you would like.

 

when we throw efficiently on first down we can make teams pay on first down. teams will have to decide to keep eight in the box if they think we will run it. if they do we have to make them pay. (there was nine in the box on DD 82 yard TD catch). when we throw on first down and burn them defenses have to adjust. and then we are dictating what the defense does. either way, we have to execute better whether it is a run or a pass.

 

but rattle, we know we dont know the gameplan. but you are right that there still has to be a commitment to running the ball. im all for it. but the two work off each other as we already know.

 

You mean to tell me you think BK and Martin gameplanned a 3:1 pass to run ratio against UM? There is just no way.. Especially with the front 7 UM was putting on the field..

 

We got down early and we freaked.. Wasn't the first time.. Probably won't be the last time..

 

Contrary to popular belief, teams CAN AND DO come back from deficits while still running the football.

 

But, yes.. You are right about the the rush and the pass working off of eachother - and each being necessary for the other to be successful.. As we made so blatantly clear in the UM game.