Tommy must throw downfield to soften defenses

[OklahomaIrish 0]

It all changed when Tommy threw downfield to Chris Brown. Purdue was jumping our shorter routes. We kept trying to dink and dunk and as long as we did that we were going to lose the game. We saw it against Temple. Tommy has really become a better downfield passer. DeVaris Daniels is impossible to stop if he has single coverage and you can't just turn Chris Brown loose.

 

As Brown develops, look out. This game didn't have to be that close. Hopefully we have learned our strengths. Stretch that field vertically and then other things will open up. We still don't have a mobile quarterback, but I don't think Golson would be more accurate on those deep balls. I was a Tommy basher. Thank God we have Tommy.

 

When teams are playing us like Purdue I want to go deep on the first play of the game. Even if we don't hit it those defensive backs have to play it safe. It was a good win. Just watched Wisconsin blow the game to Arizona State to set up a big game in Arlington. I will be there. Let's get rolling!!!

[1qa 0]

Agree... But the question is why didn't we try deep more often, especially against Temple or Michigan.

 

I think the concern is still Tommy's downfield accuracy.

 

It hurts to think that we can't get some decent QB depth.

[The Gold Helmets 0]

He has to throw deep even if he doesn't complete them often because this offense has proven it can't run effectively when defenses load the box.

 

Enough with the WR screen and running into a stacked line of scrimmage, if a D is going to play this way throw deep first to set up the rest of the offense.

[ohioirishfan 0]

I'm so tired of the wr bubble screen. Why don't we ever run a slant on third and five? It is less predictable than the bubble screen we always use.

[Parseghians theorem 0]

i think ive said this before but ive been in the room when martin has said he isnt a big fan of the slant because of the high pick 6 capability.

[dylanbg20 0]

I'm so tired of the wr bubble screen. Why don't we ever run a slant on third and five? It is less predictable than the bubble screen we always use.

 

I'm pretty sure they ran a slant pretty early in the game and the receiver (Amir?) got drilled pretty good

[jon33dn 0]

This is true and has been for 3 years with Rees.

 

It's encouraging to see them throw long in the first few games, but why did ND spend three quarters of the game throwing lateral passes and running into numbers... it's mind boggling.

[Domer Dude 0]

Purdue Post Game:

 

"We knew exactly what they were going to run"

 

http://www.wlfi.com/sports/purdue-falls-to-notre-dame-31-24

[corysold 0]

i think ive said this before but ive been in the room when martin has said he isnt a big fan of the slant because of the high pick 6 capability.

 

This isn't true. Slants should be thrown near the middle of the field. A poorly thrown slant can be picked, but it isn't likely returned for a TD.

 

Pick 6's happen on the throw to the boundary, like we almost saw last night, when a DB undercuts the route and gets to the ball before the WR.

 

If Martin doesn't like a slant because of potential pick 6's, it says a lot of why the offsense is averaging 25 ppg.

[Parseghians theorem 0]

This isn't true. Slants should be thrown near the middle of the field. A poorly thrown slant can be picked, but it isn't likely returned for a TD.

 

Pick 6's happen on the throw to the boundary, like we almost saw last night, when a DB undercuts the route and gets to the ball before the WR.

 

If Martin doesn't like a slant because of potential pick 6's, it says a lot of why the offsense is averaging 25 ppg.

 

I'm just telling you what came out of the man's mouth.

[corysold 0]

I'm just telling you what came out of the man's mouth.

 

Never said it didn't. Just said its wrong.

[Domer Dude 0]

Kelly post game:

 

http://www.wlfi.com/sports/purdue-falls-to-notre-dame-31-24

[Parseghians theorem 0]

Never said it didn't. Just said its wrong.

 

I just don't think throwing slants will all of a sudden make us average 45 points per game. Can I prove this to you for 100 percent fact. Of course not.

 

But you can't say Martin is wrong either because it is just his opinion.

ND uses it's WR screens and short passes as a substitution for the running game.

 

8 guys in the box, snap it and get rid of it quickly and get a few yards. Same as a run. You beat the pressure and possibly only have to beat one guy for a larger gain. If Niklas or others could execute their blocking better on these we'd see better results. Remember TJ on the throw against Temple? We blocked and he ran for 50 yards.

[AlabamaDuck 0]

When the defense puts 8-9 players in the box it is almost impossible to run against and the same is true with slants,

Last year when Pitt stacked the box on Rees it showed other teams how to beat him and that is what teams are doing. Roll out passes, option runs and mid to long passes can beat it.

We will see the same next week

[corysold 0]

I just don't think throwing slants will all of a sudden make us average 45 points per game. Can I prove this to you for 100 percent fact. Of course not.

 

But you can't say Martin is wrong either because it is just his opinion.

ND uses it's WR screens and short passes as a substitution for the running game.

 

8 guys in the box, snap it and get rid of it quickly and get a few yards. Same as a run. You beat the pressure and possibly only have to beat one guy for a larger gain. If Niklas or others could execute their blocking better on these we'd see better results. Remember TJ on the throw against Temple? We blocked and he ran for 50 yards.

 

You are right. I can't say his opinion is wrong. But it is. A slant is not susceptible to pick 6's unless he doesn't know how to teach it.

 

I find it hilarious that he wouldn't throw a slant because of the threat of having it returned, but he'll let Tommy throw floaters to the sideline for 6 yard stick routes, which was almost returned for a TD last night and is 10 times more likely to be returned for a TD than a simple slant.

 

No, a slant won't suddenly turn ND into Oregon. But if an OC won't throw a slant because of some crazy notion it might be returned for a TD, it explains to me why ND's offense has been mediocre 4 years running.

[Parseghians theorem 0]

You are right. I can't say his opinion is wrong. But it is. A slant is not susceptible to pick 6's unless he doesn't know how to teach it.

 

I find it hilarious that he wouldn't throw a slant because of the threat of having it returned, but he'll let Tommy throw floaters to the sideline for 6 yard stick routes, which was almost returned for a TD last night and is 10 times more likely to be returned for a TD than a simple slant.

 

No, a slant won't suddenly turn ND into Oregon. But if an OC won't throw a slant because of some crazy notion it might be returned for a TD, it explains to me why ND's offense has been mediocre 4 years running.

 

it is that he prefer not to throw them, especially with younger QBs (golson).

and a slant is if you throw it and it gets tipped by hand at the LOS and is taken the other way. Or if you read the defense wrong and a linebacker undercuts the pass and takes it to the house. Not saying it happens all the time, but it is susceptible to pick 6.

[IrishItalian15 0]

Kelly post game:

 

http://www.wlfi.com/sports/purdue-falls-to-notre-dame-31-24

 

Who taught Coach Hazell how to shape the bill of his hat?

[corysold 0]

it is that he prefer not to throw them, especially with younger QBs (golson).

and a slant is if you throw it and it gets tipped by hand at the LOS and is taken the other way. Or if you read the defense wrong and a linebacker undercuts the pass and takes it to the house. Not saying it happens all the time, but it is susceptible to pick 6.

 

Every throw can be picked 6 if the defense reads it and the ball is thrown poorly.

 

But it doesn't matter what I think. If Chuck Martin thinks a slant is a dangerous throw then so be it. I respect his opinion on the matter, and after all, he's the D1 OC, not me.

 

But it is still one of the dumbest things I've ever heard of a coach saying and it makes me question the legitimacy of the entire staff if this thinking is prevelant and allowed.

 

A D1 OC suggesting a slant is too dangerous goes miles in explaining why NDs offense has sucked for four seasons. Feel free to tell him thr next time you're in a meeting together.

[Parseghians theorem 0]

Every throw can be picked 6 if the defense reads it and the ball is thrown poorly.

 

But it doesn't matter what I think. If Chuck Martin thinks a slant is a dangerous throw then so be it. I respect his opinion on the matter, and after all, he's the D1 OC, not me.

 

But it is still one of the dumbest things I've ever heard of a coach saying and it makes me question the legitimacy of the entire staff if this thinking is prevelant and allowed.

 

A D1 OC suggesting a slant is too dangerous goes miles in explaining why NDs offense has sucked for four seasons. Feel free to tell him thr next time you're in a meeting together.

 

 

trust me, the staff gets plenty of letters from yahoos thinking they know more about football than the coaching staff that took us to a NCG. Carry on.

[corysold 0]

trust me' date='the staff gets plenty of letters from yahoos thinking they know more about football than the coaching staff that took us to a NCG. Carry on.[/quote']

 

If the staff thinks averaging 25 points per game is sufficient, then they deserve the firing they'll be getting in 3 seasons.

 

I'm glad the staff thinks getting kicked around by 40 points in the title game somehow suggests they are doing something correct.

 

You seem to be pretty close to the staff. Why don't you send them some tape of Alabama vs Texas A&M so they can see what big boy football looks like.

 

And BTW, what route was it that TJ caught vs Stanford in OT last year to win the game?

Edited September 15, 2013 by corysold

[Island Domer 0]

^^^^

Opinions, this place would be Nothing without them.

 

We are all yahoos. That's why we check this site everyday!

[Parseghians theorem 0]

If the staff thinks averaging 25 points per game is sufficient, then they deserve the firing they'll be getting in 3 seasons.

 

I'm glad the staff thinks getting kicked around by 40 points in the title game somehow suggests they are doing something correct.

 

You seem to be pretty close to the staff. Why don't you send them some tape of Alabama vs Texas A&M so they can see what big boy football looks like.

 

And BTW, what route was it that TJ caught vs Stanford in OT last year to win the game?

 

It was a slant. But I think I said he just doesn't like them. and I mentioned also with young quarterbacks throwing them. And you and I both agreed slant passes aren't going to revolutionize the offense.

 

Flat out, most of the ineptness is on the players not executing well enough. It just is. Fumbles, dropped passes, missed blocks. We can run on the final drive of game but not for the first 54 minutes?

 

People WANT to stop our run. They will do everything they can to stop the run. And we RAN into the defense over and over in the first half and got freaking stoned every time (seven first down runs).

 

ALL coaches will take what the defense gives them. We brought 8&9 in the box against bama and they TORCHED us with the pass. McCarron threw 18 of his 28 passes in the title game in the first half. Threw for 160 yards and a touchdown.

and granted they still ran it against us very well, but their O-line last year is stronger than our o-line this year.

 

and they already have the tape ... probably

[Frankus 210]

Purdue Post Game:

 

"We knew exactly what they were going to run"

 

http://www.wlfi.com/sports/purdue-falls-to-notre-dame-31-24

 

Yet, we had 4 dropped passes in the first quarter that would have moved the chains and given us a chance to score, had 400 total yards in the game, and scored 24 offensive points that could have been 31 had we wanted to score at the end. So, its kind of silly to throw those quotes out there when they didn't stop us, we stopped ourselves.

[ndomer4 532]

I never understood why we weren't throwing deep all game against Purdue because we sure as hell couldn't run against them. The deep ball to Brown and Daniels were nice balls and they were wide open, yet those were the only deep balls I can remember.

[BlackIrish42 0]

Every throw can be picked 6 if the defense reads it and the ball is thrown poorly.

 

But it doesn't matter what I think. If Chuck Martin thinks a slant is a dangerous throw then so be it. I respect his opinion on the matter, and after all, he's the D1 OC, not me.

 

But it is still one of the dumbest things I've ever heard of a coach saying and it makes me question the legitimacy of the entire staff if this thinking is prevelant and allowed.

 

A D1 OC suggesting a slant is too dangerous goes miles in explaining why NDs offense has sucked for four seasons. Feel free to tell him thr next time you're in a meeting together.

 

Watch the NFL. Slants all the time. It's because the QB's are taught how to throw a slant, i.e. low! They are the safest passes there is, hence their use in the NFL and against us! Furthermore if the slant is run correctly and the throw is low, as it should be, the chance of pass interference by the defender is greater. See Russell, Kevaire.

 

This infallible coach stuff is growing really ****ing tiresome. We have shown numerous examples of fallibility in this coaching staff in the last two games.

Edited September 15, 2013 by BlackIrish42