Oklahoma State in Trouble

[Donjuan 16]

Making the cover of Sports Illustrated isn't always a good thing.

 

[el senor domer 0]

YIKES.....You think Mike Gundy will do this again?

 

[corysold 0]

Yawn...

 

Miami was in big trouble.

 

Oregon was in big trouble.

 

North Carolina was in big trouble.

 

Auburn was in big trouble.

 

Ole Miss was in big trouble.

 

Johnny Football was in big trouble.

 

Nothing ever happened from the "big trouble".

 

Wake me when the NCAA actually goes something.

[piratey 6]

Yawn...

 

Miami was in big trouble.

 

Oregon was in big trouble.

 

North Carolina was in big trouble.

 

Auburn was in big trouble.

 

Ole Miss was in big trouble.

 

Johnny Football was in big trouble.

 

Nothing ever happened from the "big trouble".

 

Wake me when the NCAA actually goes something.

 

I would have argued with you but the Johnny Football half game suspension broke me.

[Rocketsan 881]

At least they had the decency to step up for the victims of Penn State...

[Rockets Revenge 0]

The article aleges the violations occured between 2001-2007 and says, "You have a successful program that got good very fast, but there is an underbelly to that," Jon Wertheim, executive editor at Sports Illustrated, told ABC News.

 

OSU W-L record since 1998:

 

1998– 5–6 (3–5)

1999– 5–6 (3–5)

2000– 3–8 (1–7)

2001– 4–7 (2–6)

2002– 8–5 (5–3) — Houston Bowl vs. Southern Miss 33–23 (W)

2003– 9–4 (5–3) — Cotton Bowl Classic vs. Ole Miss 28–31 (L)

2004– 7–5 (4–4) — Alamo Bowl vs. Ohio State 7–33 (L)

2005– 4–7 (1–7)

2006– 7–6 (3–5) — Independence Bowl vs. Alabama 34–31 (W)

2007– 7–6 (4–4) — Insight Bowl vs. Indiana 49–33 (W)

2008– 9–4 (5–3) — Holiday Bowl vs. Oregon 31–42 (L)

2009– 9–4 (6–2) — Cotton Bowl Classic vs. Ole Miss 21–7 (L)

2010– 11–2 (6–2) — Alamo Bowl vs. Arizona 36–10 (W)

2011– 12–1 (8–1)- Fiesta Bowl vs. Stanford 41-38 (W)

2012- 8-5 (5-4)

 

I don't see the reflection of "got good very fast" in their record during the time frame of the allegations. The jump appears to be between 2009 & 2010 and only lasts 2 years - 2010 & 2011. I surmise that jump is probably more related to 1 or 2 great recruiting classes (Brandon Weeden, Dez Bryant, & Justin Blackmon come to mind) and /or a great coordinator hire. Dana Holgerson was OC in 2010 & 2011 which coincides with their big jump in offensive output and 2-3 more wins per year. He left for WVU in 2012 and their offensive out put and wins dropped. Dana Holgerson has led prolific offenses everywhere he has been (Texas Tech, Houston, OSU, WVU) so this makes sense to me.

 

I think it is more likely somebody at SI has a bone to pick/grudge with T Boone, Mike Gundy, or somebody else on the OSU athletic staff.

 

The authors of the SI article , George Dohrman & BJ Schecter, have a history of making allegations of college sports impropriety...Minnesota BB, UCLA BB, LSU FB, etc. Also, Mike Griffith, president of the Football Writers Association of America, called Gundy's behavior "completely inappropriate." after his "I'm a Man!!!" tirade over an article written by Jenni Carlson of The Oklahoman in 2007. I'm thinking the combination of an axe to grind against Mike Gundy and SI always looking to drive magazine sales in competition with the ESPN/ABC/GO.com comglomorate may have led to this study/article/allegation.

Edited September 10, 2013 by Rocket's Revenge

[IrishGuy 199]

So....OSU will self impose a 2 year bowl ban and reduce scholarships by 3 for 3 years and then in a couple of years (or 3) we will hear that the NCAA didn't find any solid evidence and has decided not to impose any further sanctions.

 

Sadly, I am probably not far off on how it'll play out.

 

On a side note, until the NCAA gets some form of legal power they will continue to be a joke. I mean seriously.....all you really need to do is tell them to **** off and they have nothing. They cannot serve subpoenas or require you to participate in an investigation....and they cannot punish you for not being helpful to their investigation.....in all honesty, I am surprised they have been able to impose any sanctions given the current legal environment.

[irishwavend 710]

At least they had the decency to step up for the victims of Penn State...

 

I pretty much agree with everything regarding the apathy of the NCAA discussed in this post, but I have to take exception to this. The Penn State sanctions were nothing but a PR stunt by the NCAA because they didn't have jurisdiction over the issue and they knew it.

 

A probate court has no jurisdiction over a capital murder case, and a tax court has no jurisdiction over a domestic battery case. It's the same, here.

 

The NCAA had zero place doing anything to Penn State.

[Rockets Revenge 0]

I pretty much agree with everything regarding the apathy of the NCAA discussed in this post, but I have to take exception to this. The Penn State sanctions were nothing but a PR stunt by the NCAA because they didn't have jurisdiction over the issue and they knew it.

 

A probate court has no jurisdiction over a capital murder case, and a tax court has no jurisdiction over a domestic battery case. It's the same, here.

 

The NCAA had zero place doing anything to Penn State.

 

100% AGREE!! The Penn State issue was/is MUCH larger than the National Collegiate Athletic Association. It is more of a criminal court, civil court, and university accredidation issue.

[Donjuan 16]

Penn State IS the very definition of lack of 'institutional control'... There's zero argument in my book for suggesting otherwise, especially reading how the climate of football was more important than reporting child abuse by a football coach.

[Rocketsan 881]

Penn State IS the very definition of lack of 'institutional control'... There's zero argument in my book for suggesting otherwise, especially reading how the climate of football was more important than reporting child abuse by a football coach.

 

Agreed...college football trumped all...

[IrishGuy 199]

100% AGREE!! The Penn State issue was/is MUCH larger than the National Collegiate Athletic Association. It is more of a criminal court' date=' civil court, and university accredidation issue.[/quote']

 

Though I completely agree that the issue was much larger than the NCAA and that the penalties imposed were merely a PR move.....there NCAA did have some jurisdiction in the matter as covering up the crimes committed unfairly benefited the football program (the whole university really).

 

The NCAA imposed penalties as if it were the legal system and used the horrific nature of the crimes and the emotion of the public as justification for how large those penalties were.

[Rockets Revenge 0]

Penn State IS the very definition of lack of 'institutional control'... There's zero argument in my book for suggesting otherwise, especially reading how the climate of football was more important than reporting child abuse by a football coach.

 

If this is your argument then shouldn't they have at least received the death penalty in football if not all sports? Isn't child molestation/abuse much, MUCH worse than SMU paying players?

 

The cover-up benefited MUCH more than just the football program. It benefited the entire university and its reputation. So if you agree on this, how can they be acredited to meet higher required standards?

 

All of the culpable parties are gone from PSU. The current NCAA penalties and even the civil penalties/judgements are not affecting them. They are mostly affecting student athletes & coaches that had nothing to do with the abuse or the cover up. I don't see the big deterent to other programs thinking of covering up something similar in the future. Shut down football (or all athletics for that matter) for a period of time or yank some accredidation. That will get the attention of other universities. The penalty needs to be so severe that no other university will want to entertain the idea of covering anything similar up in the future.

[Donjuan 16]

I agree that PSU's penalty should have been more severe than SMU's. It's sad to think the NCAA 'settled' with them...

[BI5224 0]

So Les Miles was the head coach from 2001 - 04 and the issues started in 2001. Coincidence?

[Rockets Revenge 0]

So Les Miles was the head coach from 2001 - 04 and the issues started in 2001. Coincidence?

 

Look at my email above. OSU's record during that time frame doesn't correlate with the big bump that SI suggests.

[Donjuan 16]

Look at my email above. OSU's record during that time frame doesn't correlate with the big bump that SI suggests.

 

Isn't the point that Okie State broke the rules though??