IrishItalian15 Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 For the past month or so I have had an inclination that the "fast break," up tempo style of offense that BK used to run at Cincy would be a staple this year. I have 4 main reasons that I feel this way. 1. Rees being the QB instead of Golson. Don't get me wrong, I wish Golson was still the QB. However, last season it seemed to take forever for Golson to understand what play was being called and get it to the offense. Rees has a much better understanding of the play being called/signaled, as was shown last year. 2. The depth at the skill positions on offense. 5 deep at RB and 8-9 deep at WR show that the fast paced offense is sustainable while keeping players that are fresh on the field. 3. The 2-3 deep depth on defense. Running the up tempo offense means more time on the field for the defense. Having this amount of depth (for the first time since BK has been at ND) is essential to maintaining this style of play. 4. I Read BK's statement about his confidence that ND will score more points than last year. Anyone else have the same feeling that I do? Do we come out of the gate against Temple and drop 50+ points? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davislove Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 For the past month or so I have had an inclination that the "fast break," up tempo style of offense that BK used to run at Cincy would be a staple this year. I have 4 main reasons that I feel this way. 1. Rees being the QB instead of Golson. Don't get me wrong, I wish Golson was still the QB. However, last season it seemed to take forever for Golson to understand what play was being called and get it to the offense. Rees has a much better understanding of the play being called/signaled, as was shown last year. 2. The depth at the skill positions on offense. 5 deep at RB and 8-9 deep at WR show that the fast paced offense is sustainable while keeping players that are fresh on the field. 3. The 2-3 deep depth on defense. Running the up tempo offense means more time on the field for the defense. Having this amount of depth (for the first time since BK has been at ND) is essential to maintaining this style of play. 4. I Read BK's statement about his confidence that ND will score more points than last year. Anyone else have the same feeling that I do? Do we come out of the gate against Temple and drop 50+ points? Never thought too much about it but I can't argue with your points. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTennant Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 For the past month or so I have had an inclination that the "fast break," up tempo style of offense that BK used to run at Cincy would be a staple this year. I have 4 main reasons that I feel this way. 1. Rees being the QB instead of Golson. Don't get me wrong, I wish Golson was still the QB. However, last season it seemed to take forever for Golson to understand what play was being called and get it to the offense. Rees has a much better understanding of the play being called/signaled, as was shown last year. 2. The depth at the skill positions on offense. 5 deep at RB and 8-9 deep at WR show that the fast paced offense is sustainable while keeping players that are fresh on the field. 3. The 2-3 deep depth on defense. Running the up tempo offense means more time on the field for the defense. Having this amount of depth (for the first time since BK has been at ND) is essential to maintaining this style of play. 4. I Read BK's statement about his confidence that ND will score more points than last year. Anyone else have the same feeling that I do? Do we come out of the gate against Temple and drop 50+ points? I agree but I think you may be over estimating our depth at RB. We haven't yet seen consistent output over the course of an entire season for George, Amir, or Cam. We have only seen consistent playmaking ability out of Devaris and TJ. I have an optimistic feeling about the progress of these guys and the guys behind them, but I don't want to anoint all of our backups as All Americans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franco Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 I agree but I think you may be over estimating our depth at RB. We haven't yet seen consistent output over the course of an entire season for George, Amir, or Cam. We have only seen consistent playmaking ability out of Devaris and TJ. I have an optimistic feeling about the progress of these guys and the guys behind them, but I don't want to anoint all of our backups as All Americans. counter point to this, we all know that a RB is only as good as the O-Line and TEs allow him to be....and our O-Line and TEs are among the best in the country Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrishItalian15 Posted August 28, 2013 Author Share Posted August 28, 2013 (edited) I agree but I think you may be over estimating our depth at RB. We haven't yet seen consistent output over the course of an entire season for George, Amir, or Cam. We have only seen consistent playmaking ability out of Devaris and TJ. I have an optimistic feeling about the progress of these guys and the guys behind them, but I don't want to anoint all of our backups as All Americans. I don't either, and I didn't mean it that way. When I said 5 deep, I was meaning a situation that might look like 1 or 2 backs are featured/play 90% of the time, but if they do need a blow (breather) due to the pace of the offense/amount of plays, there should be a back out of the 3 remaining that will suffice in that role. Same with the recievers. The only one that would need ample breaks in most cases would be Chris Brown (or whoever BK would use to stretch the field). I fully expect TJ and Devaris to be on the field almost the whole game. Edited August 28, 2013 by IrishItalian15 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackIrish42 Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 For the past month or so I have had an inclination that the "fast break," up tempo style of offense that BK used to run at Cincy would be a staple this year. I have 4 main reasons that I feel this way. 1. Rees being the QB instead of Golson. Don't get me wrong, I wish Golson was still the QB. However, last season it seemed to take forever for Golson to understand what play was being called and get it to the offense. Rees has a much better understanding of the play being called/signaled, as was shown last year. 2. The depth at the skill positions on offense. 5 deep at RB and 8-9 deep at WR show that the fast paced offense is sustainable while keeping players that are fresh on the field. 3. The 2-3 deep depth on defense. Running the up tempo offense means more time on the field for the defense. Having this amount of depth (for the first time since BK has been at ND) is essential to maintaining this style of play. 4. I Read BK's statement about his confidence that ND will score more points than last year. Anyone else have the same feeling that I do? Do we come out of the gate against Temple and drop 50+ points? As I have said many times and what BK has said or eluded to many times: the Cinncy offense will NOT ever be the ND offense. BK realized in year 2 that a physical team on both sides of the ball is the way to win consistently at ND. You may see glimpses of spread things but we will run and stop the run first and foremost. ****, look at the recruiting the 2 years. OL and DL. We will be Stanford East with a tad more flash. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColinKSU Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 As I have said many times and what BK has said or eluded to many times: the Cinncy offense will NOT ever be the ND offense. BK realized in year 2 that a physical team on both sides of the ball is the way to win consistently at ND. You may see glimpses of spread things but we will run and stop the run first and foremost. ****, look at the recruiting the 2 years. OL and DL. We will be Stanford East with a tad more flash. I know I've said this before, but it's hilarious how often I read something you post and think "This guy is absolutely spot-on." It must be a NE Ohio thing. Also, the idea of being Stanford or Alabama in terms of offensive philosophy gives me a chub. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corysold Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 As I have said many times and what BK has said or eluded to many times: the Cinncy offense will NOT ever be the ND offense. BK realized in year 2 that a physical team on both sides of the ball is the way to win consistently at ND. You may see glimpses of spread things but we will run and stop the run first and foremost. ****, look at the recruiting the 2 years. OL and DL. We will be Stanford East with a tad more flash. I'd prefer to be Alabama North. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackIrish42 Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 I'd prefer to be Alabama North. Well, yes but I was using Stanford as the best example due to style and academic similarities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrishItalian15 Posted August 28, 2013 Author Share Posted August 28, 2013 Why not be physical AND fast paced? :noidea: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corysold Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 Well, yes but I was using Stanford as the best example due to style and academic similarities. I know. I just can't accept having to emulate Stanford in football. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackIrish42 Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 Why not be physical AND fast paced? :noidea: Show me a team who is that? I can't think of one... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrishItalian15 Posted August 28, 2013 Author Share Posted August 28, 2013 This team is physical, and has the ability to be physical in the trenches. They wouldn't need to be fast paced as a gimmick, but from a luxury standpoint. It wouldn't have to be as extreme as the offense at Cincy, but faster than past years. Side note: Tommy Rees is eerily similar to Tony Pike in that both had limited mobility and arm strength yet are remarkably intelligent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corysold Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 This team is physical, and has the ability to be physical in the trenches. They wouldn't need to be fast paced as a gimmick, but from a luxury standpoint. It wouldn't have to be as extreme as the offense at Cincy, but faster than past years. Side note: Tommy Rees is eerily similar to Tony Pike in that both had limited mobility and arm strength yet are remarkably intelligent. Except Tony Pike was 6'6" and had a really good arm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackIrish42 Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 This team is physical, and has the ability to be physical in the trenches. They wouldn't need to be fast paced as a gimmick, but from a luxury standpoint. It wouldn't have to be as extreme as the offense at Cincy, but faster than past years. Side note: Tommy Rees is eerily similar to Tony Pike in that both had limited mobility and arm strength yet are remarkably intelligent. Look, you can wish all you like. It will not happen. They will "tempo" on occasion but the BK offense you thought you were getting when he first came here is not happening at ND. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawaiiirish Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 Unfortunately I feel a deliberate style of play with the offense , plays more into our weaknesses then our strength--- I have looked for certain things for MONTHS in order to GOOSE the offense under tommy--- Faster tempo- More of a west coast use of the short passes FIRST to ESTABLISH the run rather then run to protect the passer--- Use of Hendrix as a scheme change rather the simply a relief guy--- Tempo/Pass first and go against type/ Hendrix to alter the defenses--- I don't know about temple--not much point to do much but get the bugs out and work on the rhythm of the offensive line in that game--- BUT AT MICHIGAN IMHO WE WILL SEE SOMETHING BEYOND THE DELIBERATE RUN OFFENSE MANY EXPECT! Tempo/Pass First/Hendrix package-----that could open up several BIG RUNS by George & Amir---and take the defensive pressure off of Tommy to constantly hit the 3rd and 6 pass to move the chains----we could score some points using these elements in my view. Kelly likes offense don't be misled--we will see some wrinkles IMO aloha's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrishItalian15 Posted August 28, 2013 Author Share Posted August 28, 2013 Except Tony Pike was 6'6" and had a really good arm. He was taller, but not sure why that is greatly important in comparing the skills of the two. WalterFootball.com Scouting report for the 2010 NFL draft on Tony Pike...just one of many that question Pike's arm strength. Never found one that called his arm "really good." Weaknesses: Lacks some bulk in his body frame Extremely weak arm strength Lacks agility and athleticism; can't evade a pass rush Somewhat of a statue in the pocket Floats deep ball a little too much Not a very good passer on the run Throws difficult routes - but with unimpressive velocity/talent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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