For the past month or so I have had an inclination that the "fast break," up tempo style of offense that BK used to run at Cincy would be a staple this year. I have 4 main reasons that I feel this way.

 

1. Rees being the QB instead of Golson. Don't get me wrong, I wish Golson was still the QB. However, last season it seemed to take forever for Golson to understand what play was being called and get it to the offense. Rees has a much better understanding of the play being called/signaled, as was shown last year.

 

2. The depth at the skill positions on offense. 5 deep at RB and 8-9 deep at WR show that the fast paced offense is sustainable while keeping players that are fresh on the field.

 

3. The 2-3 deep depth on defense. Running the up tempo offense means more time on the field for the defense. Having this amount of depth (for the first time since BK has been at ND) is essential to maintaining this style of play.

 

4. I Read BK's statement about his confidence that ND will score more points than last year.

 

Anyone else have the same feeling that I do? Do we come out of the gate against Temple and drop 50+ points?

For the past month or so I have had an inclination that the "fast break," up tempo style of offense that BK used to run at Cincy would be a staple this year. I have 4 main reasons that I feel this way.

 

1. Rees being the QB instead of Golson. Don't get me wrong, I wish Golson was still the QB. However, last season it seemed to take forever for Golson to understand what play was being called and get it to the offense. Rees has a much better understanding of the play being called/signaled, as was shown last year.

 

2. The depth at the skill positions on offense. 5 deep at RB and 8-9 deep at WR show that the fast paced offense is sustainable while keeping players that are fresh on the field.

 

3. The 2-3 deep depth on defense. Running the up tempo offense means more time on the field for the defense. Having this amount of depth (for the first time since BK has been at ND) is essential to maintaining this style of play.

 

4. I Read BK's statement about his confidence that ND will score more points than last year.

 

Anyone else have the same feeling that I do? Do we come out of the gate against Temple and drop 50+ points?

 

Never thought too much about it but I can't argue with your points.

For the past month or so I have had an inclination that the "fast break," up tempo style of offense that BK used to run at Cincy would be a staple this year. I have 4 main reasons that I feel this way.

 

1. Rees being the QB instead of Golson. Don't get me wrong, I wish Golson was still the QB. However, last season it seemed to take forever for Golson to understand what play was being called and get it to the offense. Rees has a much better understanding of the play being called/signaled, as was shown last year.

 

2. The depth at the skill positions on offense. 5 deep at RB and 8-9 deep at WR show that the fast paced offense is sustainable while keeping players that are fresh on the field.

 

3. The 2-3 deep depth on defense. Running the up tempo offense means more time on the field for the defense. Having this amount of depth (for the first time since BK has been at ND) is essential to maintaining this style of play.

 

4. I Read BK's statement about his confidence that ND will score more points than last year.

 

Anyone else have the same feeling that I do? Do we come out of the gate against Temple and drop 50+ points?

 

I agree but I think you may be over estimating our depth at RB. We haven't yet seen consistent output over the course of an entire season for George, Amir, or Cam. We have only seen consistent playmaking ability out of Devaris and TJ.

 

I have an optimistic feeling about the progress of these guys and the guys behind them, but I don't want to anoint all of our backups as All Americans.

I agree but I think you may be over estimating our depth at RB. We haven't yet seen consistent output over the course of an entire season for George, Amir, or Cam. We have only seen consistent playmaking ability out of Devaris and TJ.

 

I have an optimistic feeling about the progress of these guys and the guys behind them, but I don't want to anoint all of our backups as All Americans.

 

counter point to this, we all know that a RB is only as good as the O-Line and TEs allow him to be....and our O-Line and TEs are among the best in the country

I agree but I think you may be over estimating our depth at RB. We haven't yet seen consistent output over the course of an entire season for George, Amir, or Cam. We have only seen consistent playmaking ability out of Devaris and TJ.

 

I have an optimistic feeling about the progress of these guys and the guys behind them, but I don't want to anoint all of our backups as All Americans.

 

I don't either, and I didn't mean it that way. When I said 5 deep, I was meaning a situation that might look like 1 or 2 backs are featured/play 90% of the time, but if they do need a blow (breather) due to the pace of the offense/amount of plays, there should be a back out of the 3 remaining that will suffice in that role.

 

Same with the recievers. The only one that would need ample breaks in most cases would be Chris Brown (or whoever BK would use to stretch the field). I fully expect TJ and Devaris to be on the field almost the whole game.

Edited August 28, 201311 yr by IrishItalian15

For the past month or so I have had an inclination that the "fast break," up tempo style of offense that BK used to run at Cincy would be a staple this year. I have 4 main reasons that I feel this way.

 

1. Rees being the QB instead of Golson. Don't get me wrong, I wish Golson was still the QB. However, last season it seemed to take forever for Golson to understand what play was being called and get it to the offense. Rees has a much better understanding of the play being called/signaled, as was shown last year.

 

2. The depth at the skill positions on offense. 5 deep at RB and 8-9 deep at WR show that the fast paced offense is sustainable while keeping players that are fresh on the field.

 

3. The 2-3 deep depth on defense. Running the up tempo offense means more time on the field for the defense. Having this amount of depth (for the first time since BK has been at ND) is essential to maintaining this style of play.

 

4. I Read BK's statement about his confidence that ND will score more points than last year.

 

Anyone else have the same feeling that I do? Do we come out of the gate against Temple and drop 50+ points?

 

 

As I have said many times and what BK has said or eluded to many times: the Cinncy offense will NOT ever be the ND offense. BK realized in year 2 that a physical team on both sides of the ball is the way to win consistently at ND.

 

You may see glimpses of spread things but we will run and stop the run first and foremost. ****, look at the recruiting the 2 years. OL and DL. We will be Stanford East with a tad more flash.

As I have said many times and what BK has said or eluded to many times: the Cinncy offense will NOT ever be the ND offense. BK realized in year 2 that a physical team on both sides of the ball is the way to win consistently at ND.

 

You may see glimpses of spread things but we will run and stop the run first and foremost. ****, look at the recruiting the 2 years. OL and DL. We will be Stanford East with a tad more flash.

 

I know I've said this before, but it's hilarious how often I read something you post and think "This guy is absolutely spot-on."

 

It must be a NE Ohio thing.

 

Also, the idea of being Stanford or Alabama in terms of offensive philosophy gives me a chub.

As I have said many times and what BK has said or eluded to many times: the Cinncy offense will NOT ever be the ND offense. BK realized in year 2 that a physical team on both sides of the ball is the way to win consistently at ND.

 

You may see glimpses of spread things but we will run and stop the run first and foremost. ****, look at the recruiting the 2 years. OL and DL. We will be Stanford East with a tad more flash.

 

I'd prefer to be Alabama North.

I'd prefer to be Alabama North.

 

Well, yes but I was using Stanford as the best example due to style and academic similarities.

Why not be physical AND fast paced? :noidea:

Well, yes but I was using Stanford as the best example due to style and academic similarities.

 

I know. I just can't accept having to emulate Stanford in football.

Why not be physical AND fast paced? :noidea:

 

Show me a team who is that? I can't think of one...

This team is physical, and has the ability to be physical in the trenches. They wouldn't need to be fast paced as a gimmick, but from a luxury standpoint. It wouldn't have to be as extreme as the offense at Cincy, but faster than past years.

 

Side note: Tommy Rees is eerily similar to Tony Pike in that both had limited mobility and arm strength yet are remarkably intelligent.

This team is physical, and has the ability to be physical in the trenches. They wouldn't need to be fast paced as a gimmick, but from a luxury standpoint. It wouldn't have to be as extreme as the offense at Cincy, but faster than past years.

 

Side note: Tommy Rees is eerily similar to Tony Pike in that both had limited mobility and arm strength yet are remarkably intelligent.

 

Except Tony Pike was 6'6" and had a really good arm.

This team is physical, and has the ability to be physical in the trenches. They wouldn't need to be fast paced as a gimmick, but from a luxury standpoint. It wouldn't have to be as extreme as the offense at Cincy, but faster than past years.

 

Side note: Tommy Rees is eerily similar to Tony Pike in that both had limited mobility and arm strength yet are remarkably intelligent.

 

Look, you can wish all you like. It will not happen. They will "tempo" on occasion but the BK offense you thought you were getting when he first came here is not happening at ND.

Unfortunately I feel a deliberate style of play with the offense , plays more into our weaknesses then our strength---

 

I have looked for certain things for MONTHS in order to GOOSE the offense under tommy---

 

Faster tempo-

 

More of a west coast use of the short passes FIRST to ESTABLISH the run rather then run to protect the passer---

 

Use of Hendrix as a scheme change rather the simply a relief guy---

 

Tempo/Pass first and go against type/ Hendrix to alter the defenses---

 

I don't know about temple--not much point to do much but get the bugs out and work on the rhythm of the offensive line in that game---

 

BUT AT MICHIGAN IMHO WE WILL SEE SOMETHING BEYOND THE DELIBERATE RUN OFFENSE MANY EXPECT!

 

Tempo/Pass First/Hendrix package-----that could open up several BIG RUNS by George & Amir---and take the defensive pressure off of Tommy to constantly hit the 3rd and 6 pass to move the chains----we could score some points using these elements in my view.

 

Kelly likes offense don't be misled--we will see some wrinkles IMO

 

aloha's

Except Tony Pike was 6'6" and had a really good arm.

 

He was taller, but not sure why that is greatly important in comparing the skills of the two.

 

 

WalterFootball.com Scouting report for the 2010 NFL draft on Tony Pike...just one of many that question Pike's arm strength. Never found one that called his arm "really good."

 

Weaknesses:

Lacks some bulk in his body frame

Extremely weak arm strength

Lacks agility and athleticism; can't evade a pass rush

Somewhat of a statue in the pocket

Floats deep ball a little too much

Not a very good passer on the run

Throws difficult routes - but with unimpressive velocity/talent

Look, you can wish all you like. It will not happen. They will "tempo" on occasion but the BK offense you thought you were getting when he first came here is not happening at ND.

 

Look, I just wrote that it doesn't have to be as fast paced as Cincy. And I never said I wished.

He was taller, but not sure why that is greatly important in comparing the skills of the two.

 

 

WalterFootball.com Scouting report for the 2010 NFL draft on Tony Pike...just one of many that question Pike's arm strength. Never found one that called his arm "really good."

 

Weaknesses:

Lacks some bulk in his body frame

Extremely weak arm strength

Lacks agility and athleticism; can't evade a pass rush

Somewhat of a statue in the pocket

Floats deep ball a little too much

Not a very good passer on the run

Throws difficult routes - but with unimpressive velocity/talent

 

Ok, maybe not "really good", but I saw plenty suggest it was adequate for the NFL, which makes it 3X as good as Tommy's.

 

And a taller QB always has an advantage over a shorter one, especially on those crossing routes across the middle and the throw down the seam to the TE ND likes to use so much.

Unfortunately I feel a deliberate style of play with the offense , plays more into our weaknesses then our strength---

 

I have looked for certain things for MONTHS in order to GOOSE the offense under tommy---

 

Faster tempo-

 

More of a west coast use of the short passes FIRST to ESTABLISH the run rather then run to protect the passer---

 

Use of Hendrix as a scheme change rather the simply a relief guy---

 

Tempo/Pass first and go against type/ Hendrix to alter the defenses---

 

I don't know about temple--not much point to do much but get the bugs out and work on the rhythm of the offensive line in that game---

 

BUT AT MICHIGAN IMHO WE WILL SEE SOMETHING BEYOND THE DELIBERATE RUN OFFENSE MANY EXPECT!

 

Tempo/Pass First/Hendrix package-----that could open up several BIG RUNS by George & Amir---and take the defensive pressure off of Tommy to constantly hit the 3rd and 6 pass to move the chains----we could score some points using these elements in my view.

 

Kelly likes offense don't be misled--we will see some wrinkles IMO

 

aloha's

 

Well, you agreed with me before on this Hawaii. Surprised you changed your tune somewhat...

Well, you agreed with me before on this Hawaii. Surprised you changed your tune somewhat...

 

I think you use the uptempo gimmick when you don't have the horses to win one on one matchups.

 

It's great to say we want a fast paced offense, but who exactly was the last fast paced team to win the Big One? Teams like Auburn, Florida and Texas ran a spread, but I don't remember them being breaknecked pace all the time. For the most part, the team that wins the title has the best athletes across the board (Alabama, Florida, USC), or the singular best player on an otherwise really good team (Cam, Vince Young). It isn't the team that plays the fastest.

 

Oregon is the most successful, but it seems when they play a team who can be more physical than them, they lose (LSU, Stanford, etc.). Now, if you want to argue that ND needs the gimmick to beat a team like Alabama, that is one thing, but I don't think that is the case.