Quantity not quality

[Morgandonor 44]

Can some please help me to understand why when looking at these recuriting boards we are 6th on rivals.

Out of the top 6 recruiting teams we are the only one with 2 5 star players on the board. We have 8 four star players...the rest 3 star.

Alabama has 10 4 star players and no 5 star players according to rivals.

 

Notre dame is 2 five star 8 four star and 6 3 stars

Alabama is 0 5 star 10 four star and 6 3 star players

 

How are they ahead of us. We both have the same amount of recruits at 17.

Tennessee at number one is ridiculous.

So I guess if you just go out an recruit a ton of kids no matter what ranking they are you automatically move to the top.

 

I really don't see their logic can some help explain

Thanks...

[Domer Dude 0]

http://footballrecruiting.rivals.com/content.asp?SID=880&CID=1364602

 

Rivals Rating points + Rivals250 Bonus Points = Total Points

 

Rivals Rating (RR) Scale (Top 20 rated commitments)

 

(Rivals Rating = Points)

 

6.1 = 150 points

6.0 = 135 points

5.9 = 120 points

5.8 = 105 points

5.7 = 90 points

5.6 = 75 points

5.5 = 60 points

5.4 = 45 points

5.3 = 30 points

5.2 = 15 points

[Domer Dude 0]

Rivals 250 Bonus Scale (all commitments)

 

#1= 100 points

#2= 83 points

#3= 82 points

#4= 81 points

#5= 80 points

#6= 76 points

#7= 75 points

#8= 74 points

#9= 73 points

#10= 72 points

#11= 69 points

#12= 68 points

#13= 67 points

#14= 66 points

#15= 65 points

#16= 64 points

#17= 63 points

#18= 62 points

#19= 61 points

#20= 60 points

#21= 59 points

#22= 58 points

#23= 57 points

#24= 56 points

#25= 55 points

etc

etc

[REMND 0]

The ranking system does reward quantity. It is not a big issue with me because I like 5th year players and that reduces our quantity by 3-5 players a year.

 

A good recruiting class for me is top ten overall and top 5 in average star rating. That ranking would make me feel very good. That is where we are right now I believe.

 

The staff has filled most need positions this year except a CB and Safety. They are now in a better position to focus on more elite recruits. We are focusing on guys like Elam, Watkins, Juju, Lazard, Carter, Quick, Luatua, Thomas and more. I think we are well positioned for a good class this year as long as the staff closes well. With the more elite prospects, that often means a good regular season winning record.

 

I was complaining a week or so ago that we had a lot of 3 star recruits in this class and I felt that was odd after playing in the NC game. Someone then pointed out that we had the highest star ranking of any team out there. That gave me some perspective.

[hawaiiirish 62]

This really is more of a recruiting thread---

 

Nonetheless, I would not bother NIT PICKING the point totals Morgandoner--

 

All you need to look at is STAR AVERAGE PER RECRUIT---There we are at 3.65 which by the way is the NUMBER 1 RANKING OF THE MOST IMPORTANT STAT---

 

no worries--be happy--we are doing great lets just not have a sketchy season--lets get that CONTRACT settled and put a lid on the NFL FOR KELLY talk---get that done and we are GOLDEN!!

 

aloha's go irish!

[corysold 0]

The slight difference comes from a variance among the different star levels. Not all 4*'s are the same. Some are 5.9 4*s while others are 5.7 4*'s. So you can't just compare number of *'s, you have to compare numbers of 6.1's, 6.0's, 5.9's etc.

[Domers23 61]

Do not worry yourself with any of these recruiting sites and stars. If you have the right coaching staff that can spot talent, with a great system, that stuff does not matter. Trust Kelly, his staff and system. It has proven to work. This trumps all of these recruiting sites that want your money. Since ND has had Kelly, I don't pay attention to stars or any of that crap anymore. Try it you will be better for it.

[OklahomaIrish 0]

The slight difference comes from a variance among the different star levels. Not all 4*'s are the same. Some are 5.9 4*s while others are 5.7 4*'s. So you can't just compare number of *'s, you have to compare numbers of 6.1's, 6.0's, 5.9's etc.

 

 

This is the answer to a good question. I'm hoping a couple of our three star guys get a bump up and I rather expect it. The key is consistent back to back to back classes. Alabama is there. So are we. Finish this class off, win a bunch of games and go get that third straight killer class. Go hard after any weakness. After this next class I don't see any glaring weakness.

[REMND 0]

I think we need to successfully fill those final spots to be confident that we have had two good classes in a row.

 

We need 4 star types I think at:

 

CB

Safety

NG

LB

Slot

 

If we can do that, I think the back to back classes would solid in terms of talent and numbers at all units.

[roarcity269 0]

Rivals counts the top 20 commitments from each school.

 

So, effectively once you have the first 20 commitments only better commitments can improve your ranking. I believe the same is true with 247. Early in the recruiting cycle, quantity is rewarded. In the end quality is what counts.

 

You will begin to see the Tennessees, kentuckys and other schools that are taking everything they can get right away fall down as higher ranked guys commit to other schools.

 

So quantity over quality is really only true until you have 20 commitments.

Edited August 9, 2013 by roarcity269

[edcubby 2]

Top 10-15 it really doesn't matter.

 

Get the RKGs...develop them...play ball.

 

I'm thrilled with the recruiting!!!

 

Go Irish!

[Domers23 61]

Top 10-15 it really doesn't matter.

 

Get the RKGs...develop them...play ball.

 

I'm thrilled with the recruiting!!!

 

Go Irish!

 

Exactly, trust this coaching staff! A 3 star player that can be developed and is a perfect fit for the system can be a better player than a 5 star player that has peaked in high school or does not fit the system they are going to. People that are so fixated on stars just don't understand that.

[NDhoosier 1,336]

Exactly, trust this coaching staff! A 3 star player that can be developed and is a perfect fit for the system can be a better player than a 5 star player that has peaked in high school or does not fit the system they are going to. People that are so fixated on stars just don't understand that.

 

Not sure why this is a being talked about so much. I forget which recruiting service it is, but we have the highest average star ranking, so in essence, we are getting both quantity and quality. Not sure what recent movement there is with all the commits, but even if we are not at the top, we are right there.

[nd1989 216]

I don't care about stars. I care more about players that want to be here, fit the system, and are willing to put in extreme effort.

 

I care more about filling out the class with players at needed positions.

 

When Charlie started here, he talked about only getting the players at the level he expected or he wouldn't take them regardless of the number of kids. I just didn't, and still don't, buy into that theory. Now, maybe it was just talk, because he started after NSD that year.

 

You need to fill out the class, every year. One mistake here and there, at one position or another, is ok once in awhile. But it can't happen year after year. that's how you lose depth. Brian is doing a great job of filling out the class with his type of players and then developing them.

 

Just get players to fit the system. Then develop them. Then they're there and ready, year after year.

[Domers23 61]

I don't care about stars. I care more about players that want to be here, fit the system, and are willing to put in extreme effort.

 

I care more about filling out the class with players at needed positions.

 

When Charlie started here, he talked about only getting the players at the level he expected or he wouldn't take them regardless of the number of kids. I just didn't, and still don't, buy into that theory. Now, maybe it was just talk, because he started after NSD that year.

 

You need to fill out the class, every year. One mistake here and there, at one position or another, is ok once in awhile. But it can't happen year after year. that's how you lose depth. Brian is doing a great job of filling out the class with his type of players and then developing them.

 

Just get players to fit the system. Then develop them. Then they're there and ready, year after year.

 

Absolutely right. The problem with Charlie's recruiting was he didn't really have a system. He was still experimenting with what he wanted at each position. This spelled disaster for the development of those players and the consistency of his team and recruiting.

Edited August 11, 2013 by Domers23

[nd1989 216]

Absolutely right. The problem with Charlie's recruiting was he didn't really have a system. He was still experimenting with what he wanted at each position. This spelled disaster for the development of those players and the consistency of his team and recruiting.

 

Actually good point. After that disastrous first year recruiting with 11 recruits, his classes had a lot of players, but without a plan on defense, the players never fit. And that spelled disaster on defense in a few years.

 

So a low number of recruits, coupled with more numbers but no plan in subsequent years, resulted in some of the worst ND seasons I've ever seen.

[BrianKellyWasNotTheMan 12]

This class will be top 5 at least in rivals by the end of the year. They still have room for a bunch more commits and teams like Tenn. don't have more commits left.

[chirodomer 47]

Sit tight and be patient. Once The Gun wheels us back to the title game January 7 the pieces will fall into place for a top 2 class

[Katzenboyer 0]

I think ND has both quality and quantity in this class.

 

If you look at the Rivals rating, I look at how many players are rated 6.0 or higher in your class. As of now, only Alabama has more than ND, with the Irish ahead of the likes of OSU, Michigan, Clemson, Florida, Florida State, etc.

 

I think "chasing" Bama is a fool's errand -- the Crimson Tide will always get guys that won't get into ND, and right now they're just a juggernaut on the field and off. But if we can make it close, which ND did in the past cycle, we're setting ourselves up extremely well for the future.

 

This class will, barring an unforeseen disaster, be a top 5 class, making it back-to-back years. That's how you pulled a juggernaut.

[Domer Dude 0]

The slight difference comes from a variance among the different star levels.http://healthllife.com/images/images/16.gif

 

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