This is Not going to work out well i'm afraid

[hawaiiirish 62]

I see alot of hoping that the coach will find some magic way to avoid falling into the caverns--that Rees will rise to the occassion--that Zaire can do what Golson did last year---That hendrix will find his footing --that the staff will make us a running team---that running & patient offense will still win us 10 games behind REES , because we still have defense.

 

Maybe i will come along to that thinking by september but i don't think gettting our hopes up makes much sense after this TOTAL DEBACLE!

 

Our offense WILL BE much worse then last year---and even last year it took some luck to avoid several losses.

 

Under Rees all the offensive weaknesses on this team will be exaggerated and amplified.

 

1)--We have a very inexpereinced RB stable---with golson as both a big time passing threat & running threat there was alot of leeway for those backs to develop and do damage---under REES the opponent will KEY on the run, we simply will be ineffective running forcing tommy to do it in the air and do it on 3rd down alot--that is NOT a winning recipe.

 

2)--We have still a very inexpereinced WR corps with only TJ a veteran and daniels ( hopefully) having 1 year under his belt---Under GOLSON the point guard hitting the open man , hitting eight different recievers, there was a great chance to see this WR core develop and be effective--under REES , with no security blanket of eifert or floyd, expect the inexperience to be AMPLIFIED--Turnovers & three and outs will be killers---TEAMS WILL STOP THE RUN--PUT EIGHT IN THE BOX--FORCE TOMMY TO THROW & we will be the same mess of an offense we saw against FSU in 2011.

 

3) We are very inexperienced at TE---to golson that would mean little --under REES it exaserbates his passing problems, by the time tommy finds a comfort zone with nicklas we will have already lost two or three games.

 

4)-Rebuilding the offensive line under the Golson banner--again seems like it could be done in stride--under REES standing in the pocket with teams KNOWING just where he will be---its going to be some tough on the job training for our new OLINE players.

 

Basically there is NO REALISTIC way to minimize whats happen and IMHO no real way to mitigate the affects that will work.

 

Haven't we all seen what happens to a team that loses there starting and star QB---USC in 2012 was a great case in point---they were a basket case of a team without barkley--likely we could have beaten them with last years whiitek 8 or 9 out of ten times.

 

This is simply an unmitigated disaster---with tommy--AND IT WILL BE TOMMY OF COURSE--we go 8-5 if we get to a bowl game at all----the offense will be anemic and the defennse SHOT all there magic last season---as good as the defense is it won't win games with an offense on life support loaded with weaknesses and driven by an IMMOBILE QB, with a weak arm, that is turnover prone.

 

If i am correct--which usually i am-----the recruiting class will also suffer-- partially because of the tone that flows from this expulsion but mainly from the mounting losses and disappointing season that follows.

 

I also can't help but predict that the staff and the team chemistry that will seem to be OK for awhile as we suck it up like men do and shout the next man in mantra--will GO TO PIECES ONCE THE LOSSES START TO MOUNT UP!----that will likely make 2013 the most frustrating and disappointing season ( coming off 12-0) that ND may have seen in a long time. So frustrating that i think the staff will drift apart post 2013.

 

QB is the single most important position on the football field at any level---this loss will damage us profoundly for this year & next---it will add losses--lose recruiting momentum---unsettle the staff --and generally be a very rough experience for us all.

 

This was the absolute worst time for this to happen as we try and make it back to the top in CFB--it is as ROCKTSAN so aptly put it--"THE WORST OFF SEASON EVER"___ahhh what might have been

 

aloha's go irish!

[domeanddomer 0]

There is no doubt that this will effect us negatively, but I find your post to be OVERLY fatalistic.

 

Golson was important, but contrary to your view he wasn't the entire team nor the entire offense. We need guys to step up for sure. There is nothing stopping that from happening.

 

Off the ledge Hawaii.

[TDUB 0]

I don't see the USC/Barkley correlation from last year at all. They sucked before he got hurt.

[Revolver 0]

I actually wasnt all that impressed with Golson. He was merely ok. To be honest, I am not very impressed with How Kelly has developed QB's.

[ColinKSU 18]

I don't think Hawaii has ever been in the middle on anything ever.

 

Love you, man, but take a step back. It'll all work out. Or it won't. Who cares? We can't control it anyway. Just enjoy living in Hawaii.

[Domers23 61]

I see alot of hoping that the coach will find some magic way to avoid falling into the caverns--that Rees will rise to the occassion--that Zaire can do what Golson did last year---That hendrix will find his footing --that the staff will make us a running team---that running & patient offense will still win us 10 games behind REES , because we still have defense.

 

Maybe i will come along to that thinking by september but i don't think gettting our hopes up makes much sense after this TOTAL DEBACLE!

 

Our offense WILL BE much worse then last year---and even last year it took some luck to avoid several losses.

 

Under Rees all the offensive weaknesses on this team will be exaggerated and amplified.

 

1)--We have a very inexpereinced RB stable---with golson as both a big time passing threat & running threat there was alot of leeway for those backs to develop and do damage---under REES the opponent will KEY on the run, we simply will be ineffective running forcing tommy to do it in the air and do it on 3rd down alot--that is NOT a winning recipe.

 

2)--We have still a very inexpereinced WR corps with only TJ a veteran and daniels ( hopefully) having 1 year under his belt---Under GOLSON the point guard hitting the open man , hitting eight different recievers, there was a great chance to see this WR core develop and be effective--under REES , with no security blanket of eifert or floyd, expect the inexperience to be AMPLIFIED--Turnovers & three and outs will be killers---TEAMS WILL STOP THE RUN--PUT EIGHT IN THE BOX--FORCE TOMMY TO THROW & we will be the same mess of an offense we saw against FSU in 2011.

 

3) We are very inexperienced at TE---to golson that would mean little --under REES it exaserbates his passing problems, by the time tommy finds a comfort zone with nicklas we will have already lost two or three games.

 

4)-Rebuilding the offensive line under the Golson banner--again seems like it could be done in stride--under REES standing in the pocket with teams KNOWING just where he will be---its going to be some tough on the job training for our new OLINE players.

 

Basically there is NO REALISTIC way to minimize whats happen and IMHO no real way to mitigate the affects that will work.

 

Haven't we all seen what happens to a team that loses there starting and star QB---USC in 2012 was a great case in point---they were a basket case of a team without barkley--likely we could have beaten them with last years whiitek 8 or 9 out of ten times.

 

This is simply an unmitigated disaster---with tommy--AND IT WILL BE TOMMY OF COURSE--we go 8-5 if we get to a bowl game at all----the offense will be anemic and the defennse SHOT all there magic last season---as good as the defense is it won't win games with an offense on life support loaded with weaknesses and driven by an IMMOBILE QB, with a weak arm, that is turnover prone.

 

If i am correct--which usually i am-----the recruiting class will also suffer-- partially because of the tone that flows from this expulsion but mainly from the mounting losses and disappointing season that follows.

 

I also can't help but predict that the staff and the team chemistry that will seem to be OK for awhile as we suck it up like men do and shout the next man in mantra--will GO TO PIECES ONCE THE LOSSES START TO MOUNT UP!----that will likely make 2013 the most frustrating and disappointing season ( coming off 12-0) that ND may have seen in a long time. So frustrating that i think the staff will drift apart post 2013.

 

QB is the single most important position on the football field at any level---this loss will damage us profoundly for this year & next---it will add losses--lose recruiting momentum---unsettle the staff --and generally be a very rough experience for us all.

 

This was the absolute worst time for this to happen as we try and make it back to the top in CFB--it is as ROCKTSAN so aptly put it--"THE WORST OFF SEASON EVER"___ahhh what might have been

 

aloha's go irish!

 

Ha! Ha! There he is everyones Mr. positive!:israel:

[hawaiiirish 62]

I will be enjoying hawaii colin--i plan to make saturday afternoons beach days to soak in the sun and wash away the tears of another outing with tommy rees-----

 

As fas as me being overly fatalistic--i think not-- if you guys recall we played a season and a half with tommy and we went 8-5---

 

That is ALL YOU CAN EXPECT from this team now---even with golson offense was problematic needing him to clearly show that soph jump---but without golson the offense simply will be a MESS!

 

I am setting this tone now because i don't think DENIAL will do much but make the reality worse come the season.

 

I fully expect to be posting some cheer up posts during the season for those of you who HAVE NOT FULLY absorbed what another season with REES will mean for our record & our recruiting.---

 

I guess its understandable that this will be easier to take for some because we are SO FAR out yet from the season---but MARK MY WORDS--when the losses start to come flying at us---there is going to be NO JOY IN MUDVILLE----we will be at each other--at REES--at Kelly--at everything that isn't nailed down--

 

I am not fatalstic at all--i simply have seen the future in 2011 and it stunk---

 

If we want to say Golson wasn't that good--wans't that important--isn't the difference between winning and losing thats fine and dandy---

 

But its just NOT TRUE--Golson was exactly what this offense needed--exactly what we have building towards for the last two seasons---and was a winner, on the field at least.

 

IT WILL BE REES---

WE WILL GO 8-5---

RECRUITING WILL SUFFER--

AND THE FUN IS JUST BEGINNING__

 

Maybe and thats MAYBE, 2014 will show more promise--alot can happen---but 2013 is NOT going to be a good year under tommy---

 

I feel sorry for the team--sorry for the fans-- sorry for the staff--sorry for golson & his big mistake.

 

ESPN will no doubt enjoy our season immensly---that is too bad.

 

aloha's go irish!

[Baldy 1,725]

No offense man, but I think you're overreacting just a little bit. I'm a glass half full type of guy and feel that things happen for a reason. In the end I think everything will be okay.

[SpeedsterX 751]

I don't think Hawaii has ever been in the middle on anything ever.

 

Love you, man, but take a step back. It'll all work out. Or it won't. Who cares? We can't control it anyway. Just enjoy living in Hawaii.

 

 

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[hawaiiirish 62]

No Offense taken baldy--i know predicting a bad outcome is never going to be a happy, popular position---

 

"Things will work out in the end"---hard to disagree with that---you just have to define " work out"

 

The coach will be rich --Tuitt and NIx will go in the first round--the players will continue to graduate and go on with happy productive lives-- the games will still be on NBC---all that is true---

 

But we will lose alot of games and it will be the result of this loss i'm afraid---QB is a spot you just can't make work if its not there--see 2010 & 2011---

 

8-5 is just the only logical prediction assuming these circumstances hold.

 

aloha's go irish!

[Baldy 1,725]

No Offense taken baldy--i know predicting a bad outcome is never going to be a happy, popular position---

 

"Things will work out in the end"---hard to disagree with that---you just have to define " work out"

 

The coach will be rich --Tuitt and NIx will go in the first round--the players will continue to graduate and go on with happy productive lives-- the games will still be on NBC---all that is true---

 

But we will lose alot of games and it will be the result of this loss i'm afraid---QB is a spot you just can't make work if its not there--see 2010 & 2011---

 

8-5 is just the only logical prediction assuming these circumstances hold.

 

aloha's go irish!

 

I hear you Hawaii. I just hope that this team has learned from all of the mistakes that were made in 2010-2011, especially for Rees in 2011. With everything that has happened now, I can still see this team finishing the season with a 10-3 record. Like I said, I'm usually pretty optimistic, so we'll see how it goes.

[zemaniak 105]

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[S.B.IRISH 0]

We have seen this movie before, Tommy Rees starts for a season then a red-shirt freshman QB takes over from there. Its hard to be optimistic when this situation puts ND 2 years behind schedule. But with all of the transfers and recruiting blow ups nothing should surprise us now

[lawton_irish 0]

Calm down Hawaii, I expect this season's defense to be BETTER than last year. If we can find a good running game, this team could still do very well under Rees. Maybe not a national title contender, but certainly a 10 win team. If the offensive line is as good as I expect, we could ride our defense and running game to a BCS game. Yes, I'm a glass half full guy.

[CTHindman 0]

I hate to sound like a Pollyanna, but please remember it is May, almost June. This time last year we were all content with an 8-4 season. Kelly used the best he had at just the right time to squeak out a NC bid, and a 12&1 season. I believe the overall talent level to be equal or better than last year, even without EG and EV. I also believe that the talent of the teams we will be facing is less than last year. Our talent will be young but fast. Lets just see what the season brings.

[NDhoosier 1,336]

who are the 5 teams we lose to Hawaii?

 

Just remember, our defense is what led us to a 12-0 season last year and most seem to think our defense will be better this year than last. Our OL will be upgraded and our WRs will be more experienced than last year. Rees, TE, and RB are the only variables here and while Rees is no Heisman candidate, he does know what he is doing and can manage a team.

 

The info about Golson irritated me too Hawaii and it dampened my outlook of the season, but you are overreacting. With Golson, we were the clear favorite going into every game on the schedule in 2013. Now, the Michigan and Stanford game look scary, but no team on the schedule is unbeatable playing with Rees.

[rocket31 0]

ah remember the days when you incessantly professed your love for tommy as our starting QB?

 

my oh my have things gone full circle now.

[hawaiiirish 62]

I wanted tommy over dayne--thats it---i always expected golson to be the future and was CORRECT at least until now--

 

You can get on me for being TOO NEGATIVE for not appreciating all tommy brings to the offense--

 

For overreacting to losing the QB that took us to the championship game as only a redshirt frosh---

 

But MOST EVERYONE on this site will come to both appreciate what i am saying and will be making all these points yourselves ONCE THE SEASON STARTS!__

 

Denial is not now nor ever has been my cup of tea---i am POSITIVE when i see something to be positive about and we have had alot of positives for several years even if they were more POTENTIAL THEN RESULTS till last season.

 

With tommy i truly feel ONLY temple & navy are in the bag ( Diaco won't lose to navy again irrespective of who the QB is)---

 

But the remaining 10 games i see us going 6-4 with EVERY TEAM Capable of beating a team with an extremely sketchy & easy to defend offense that does not score many points or even give good field position to a defense that needs something to be effective---

 

Off hand i say losses to Michigan/Oklahoma/USC & Stanford with a bowl loss making us 8-5---very simliar to 2011---with other teams all having a good shot at us---

 

For those of you who think we still go BCS or win 10 or 11 games behind tommy rees---please explain to me what kind of offense we run---how we attack eight in the box with tommy at QB--who will replace EIFERT & FLOYD as tommy's always looking for reciever---what will make the turnovers stop coming at the wrong times.

 

It is simply common sense fella's---the offense has been built now for a spring--a fall--a season & another spring--for golson and his skills---

 

UNLESS ZAIRE is a total surprsie as a rookie---and i seriously doubt coach will even give him that chance--its GOING TO BE TOMMY---and he is what he is an 8-5 QB---he has made that perfectly clear with his performance for THREE YEARS NOW!

 

aloha's go irish!

[echo88 74]

Buckle up Hawaii, because in a twilight zone-esque turn of events, I actually think the departure of EG won't sting as much as you think. We were a 12 win team last year because of our D---plain and simple. Everett certainly brings the elusive QB element into the fold, which extends drives and ultimately won us a few close games last season. That being said, if our D can bring to the table something similar to last year, we can still win 10 games.

[hawaiiirish 62]

I hope so echo--but i simply cannot make the case to myself that this will be much better then 2011----maybe hendrix or zaire can be a wild card in this---right now its de ja vu all over again and the thought of REES throwin ill- timed picks & repeating endless three & outs that undermine strong defensive play--has wrung all the optimism out of me---2011 was a very frustrating year and i was convinced it was a memory never to return------then Ooops here we go again---

 

aloha's

[echo88 74]

I hope so echo--but i simply cannot make the case to myself that this will be much better then 2011----maybe hendrix or zaire can be a wild card in this---right now its de ja vu all over again and the thought of REES throwin ill- timed picks & repeating endless three & outs that undermine strong defensive play--has wrung all the optimism out of me---2011 was a very frustrating year and i was convinced it was a memory never to return------then Ooops here we go again---

 

aloha's

 

I think you think EG was better than he was. Dominant QBs dont need backups to bail them out in multiple games of an undefeated season.

[PursuitAce 0]

Calm down Hawaii, I expect this season's defense to be BETTER than last year. If we can find a good running game, this team could still do very well under Rees. Maybe not a national title contender, but certainly a 10 win team. If the offensive line is as good as I expect, we could ride our defense and running game to a BCS game. Yes, I'm a glass half full guy.

 

Agree with this and with Echo...if the staff can't get us close to 10 wins with the talent we have then they can start back at the drawing board. It's going to be all on them. It's comparable to Mack not getting 10 wins at Texas. Alright well maybe it's not that bad. But it's in the same ballpark. And the way Mack has been recruiting and coaching lately he'll be lucky to see .500 real soon.

[NDhoosier 1,336]

The world is ending soon.

 

Hawaii is being pessimistic and echo88 is ... not... being pessimistic.

 

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[Irish 247 0]

I wanted tommy over dayne--thats it---i always expected golson to be the future and was CORRECT at least until now--

 

You can get on me for being TOO NEGATIVE for not appreciating all tommy brings to the offense--

 

For overreacting to losing the QB that took us to the championship game as only a redshirt frosh---

 

But MOST EVERYONE on this site will come to both appreciate what i am saying and will be making all these points yourselves ONCE THE SEASON STARTS!__

 

Denial is not now nor ever has been my cup of tea---i am POSITIVE when i see something to be positive about and we have had alot of positives for several years even if they were more POTENTIAL THEN RESULTS till last season.

 

With tommy i truly feel ONLY temple & navy are in the bag ( Diaco won't lose to navy again irrespective of who the QB is)---

 

But the remaining 10 games i see us going 6-4 with EVERY TEAM Capable of beating a team with an extremely sketchy & easy to defend offense that does not score many points or even give good field position to a defense that needs something to be effective---

 

Off hand i say losses to Michigan/Oklahoma/USC & Stanford with a bowl loss making us 8-5---very simliar to 2011---with other teams all having a good shot at us---

 

For those of you who think we still go BCS or win 10 or 11 games behind tommy rees---please explain to me what kind of offense we run---how we attack eight in the box with tommy at QB--who will replace EIFERT & FLOYD as tommy's always looking for reciever---what will make the turnovers stop coming at the wrong times.

 

It is simply common sense fella's---the offense has been built now for a spring--a fall--a season & another spring--for golson and his skills---

 

UNLESS ZAIRE is a total surprsie as a rookie---and i seriously doubt coach will even give him that chance--its GOING TO BE TOMMY---and he is what he is an 8-5 QB---he has made that perfectly clear with his performance for THREE YEARS NOW!

 

aloha's go irish!

 

You honestly think we will lose to USC?! Roster wise they're the biggest mess in college football right now! Golson leaving sucks but he sure didn't LEAD us to the national championship. I'm not sure what team you were watching but he put us in as many bad spots as he did good ones through out the season.

[mtl_irish03 0]

I love Golson's potential and he brings much more playmaking ability to the table than anyone else we have.

However, lets not romanticize the fact that he almost cost us multiple games and needed to be bailed out by Rees.

 

We'll be ok.

I disagree with your assessment of inexperience on offense. When you have a good team, you see less and less 3-4 year starters. Our o-line should be a monster. Our TEs are experienced unless you want an all American to validate experience. Daniels/TJ should lead the WRs while GA3 leads the RBs (the position where experience means the least in football).

 

Losing Golson doesn't change my prediction for this year all that much- I see 10 wins.

Unfortunately that potential to have a dominant offense with a much-improved playmaker and make a run at the BCS is gone.