http://www.thepostgame.com/commentary/201208/better-without-em-northern-manifesto-southern-secession-chuck-thompson-sec-bcs

 

Pretty interesting article

Witness the record since the start of the BCS era in 1998:

 

SEC vs. PAC-12 regular season: 10-12

SEC vs. PAC-12 bowl games: 1-0

SEC vs. Big 12 regular season: 6-10

SEC vs. Big 12 bowl games: 21-8

SEC vs. ACC regular season: 42-36

SEC vs. ACC bowl games: 16-9

SEC vs. Big 10 regular season: 7-4

SEC vs. Big 10 bowl games: 19-19

SEC vs. Big East regular season: 16-15

SEC vs. Big East bowl game: 3-8

The record is clear. In head-to-head match-ups against other major conferences, the SEC has either a combined losing record or one that's generally only a little better than even.

 

 

Yes, yes. Tell us more, please.

 

To SEC apologists who claim that the SEC's overall winning records in bowl games is evidence of success in "games that matter" against "quality opponents," I offer the counter-argument that because bowl game pairings are more easily manipulated than regular-season games, and because SEC teams frequently play in bowls near home stadiums, they often result in more favorable match-ups for SEC teams.

 

Like Coach Kelly and I were saying, real men play in the snow.

 

...So, if the SEC plays other conferences about even, why do SEC teams keep winning national championships?

 

That answer, of course, is the BCS and its corporate underwriters, who have created a reliable business model for determining national champions that is in all respects a self-fulfilling prophecy designed to protect its primary investment.

 

The BCS business plan works like this: preseason rankings typically include two, three, or four SEC teams among the nation's top ten, more than from any other conference. From the outset, this bias for SEC teams builds into the system a near insurmountable advantage.

 

Start the season with two of the top four teams being from the SEC, as was the case in 2010 with Alabama and Florida, and in 2011 with Alabama and LSU, and the conference is virtually guaranteed to be represented in the title game -- and this is an important point -- even if neither of those two schools end up winning the conference...

 

This guy stole my thoughts. Can I get a "hear, hear?"

but... but... but... ok I dont have anything to argue with that. There is seriously so much i could say on this topic, but I think this pretty much sums it up.

 

SEC is overrated and the BCS is bias toward the SEC which creates an unfair advantage.

 

Florida (one of the best SEC teams) got killed by a Big East team... lol

Calling it a self-fulfilling prophecy is a good way to describe the BCS.

Y'all make me not even want to watch the championship game. Bama has no chance.

Y'all make me not even want to watch the championship game. Bama has no chance.

 

Man I hope your right:grin:

C'mon. This article is just bullshit. The SEC may seem a bit overrated this year but you can't deny they have played the best football these past few years. The SEC champ has beaten teams from the big 12, big 10, pac 10, big east, and acc in the national championship game every year except for last year. They consistently produce great players and win the big games.

 

Let's give credit here where credit is due. The records in the article also don't reflect the match ups. It's easier for a third place pac 12 to beat the 6th or 7th best team in the SEC when they play in the small bowl game like the Idaho Potato Bowl.

C'mon. This article is just bullshit. The SEC may seem a bit overrated this year but you can't deny they have played the best football these past few years. The SEC champ has beaten teams from the big 12, big 10, pac 10, big east, and acc in the national championship game every year except for last year. They consistently produce great players and win the big games.

 

Let's give credit here where credit is due. The records in the article also don't reflect the match ups. It's easier for a third place pac 12 to beat the 6th or 7th best team in the SEC when they play in the small bowl game like the Idaho Potato Bowl.

 

Amen. In the words of Wes Mantooth: "SEC, with every fiber of my being, I pure, straight, hate you. But goddammit do I respect you!"

C'mon. This article is just bullshit. The SEC may seem a bit overrated this year but you can't deny they have played the best football these past few years. The SEC champ has beaten teams from the big 12, big 10, pac 10, big east, and acc in the national championship game every year except for last year. They consistently produce great players and win the big games.

 

Let's give credit here where credit is due. The records in the article also don't reflect the match ups. It's easier for a third place pac 12 to beat the 6th or 7th best team in the SEC when they play in the small bowl game like the Idaho Potato Bowl.

 

Did you read the article? The point was that when you start every season with 4 teams in the top 10, who don't allow access to OOC teams to play them, the BCS becomes a pre-determined outcome. Which is why pre-BCS, the SEC won 15% of the NCG, whereas now the number is close to 60%. It also points to ESPN's relationship with the SEC as part of the process for determining pre-season rankings.

 

edit: SEC SPEED is a registered trademark of ESPN and its parent corporation Disney and cannot be used without permission and cannot be used to describe any team outside the SEC.

Edited January 3, 201311 yr by KellyisNasty

Did you read the article? The point was that when you start every season with 4 teams in the top 10, who don't allow access to OOC teams to play them, the BCS becomes a pre-determined outcome. Which is why pre-BCS, the SEC won 15% of the NCG, whereas now the number is close to 60%. It also points to ESPN's relationship with the SEC as part of the process for determining pre-season rankings.

 

edit: SEC SPEED is a registered trademark of ESPN and its parent corporation Disney and cannot be used without permission and cannot be used to describe any team outside the SEC.

 

Yep read it. And I don't agree with pre-season polls or the polls in general but the SEC's best team has beaten the other conference's best team 8 out of 14 times since the match ups between the #1 and #2 teams have played. That also came from the article.

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Amen. In the words of Wes Mantooth: "SEC, with every fiber of my being, I pure, straight, hate you. But goddammit do I respect you!"

 

Hard not to respect them. And I don't necessarily hate the conference but I was glad to see Florida eat shit last night...

Did you read the article? The point was that when you start every season with 4 teams in the top 10, who don't allow access to OOC teams to play them, the BCS becomes a pre-determined outcome. Which is why pre-BCS, the SEC won 15% of the NCG, whereas now the number is close to 60%. It also points to ESPN's relationship with the SEC as part of the process for determining pre-season rankings.

 

edit: SEC SPEED is a registered trademark of ESPN and its parent corporation Disney and cannot be used without permission and cannot be used to describe any team outside the SEC.

 

It seems like Bama has tried to schedule at least one OOC team who is respectable each season. It was Michigan this year. Virginia Tech in 2009. Penn State 2010 and 2011. Clemson 2008. Seems like the Tide was trying to work on a home and home with Notre Dame at one point. Maybe it's in the mix for the future.

 

So, to say they don't schedule respectable OOC seems to lack credibility.

 

It looks like Notre Dame's schedule was tougher this year. Michigan was much better when they played ND. The Irish are obviously the better team. I just hope Bama can hang with them.

It seems like Bama has tried to schedule at least one OOC team who is respectable each season. It was Michigan this year. Virginia Tech in 2009. Penn State 2010 and 2011. Clemson 2008. Seems like the Tide was trying to work on a home and home with Notre Dame at one point. Maybe it's in the mix for the future.

 

So, to say they don't schedule respectable OOC seems to lack credibility.

 

It looks like Notre Dame's schedule was tougher this year. Michigan was much better when they played ND. The Irish are obviously the better team. I just hope Bama can hang with them.

 

I know you are being sarcastic, but Notre Dame did play a tougher schedule and has a better record so I don't know what to tell you. Alabama has been anointed champions and hyped up by the media to the point where they are good enough to beat an NFL team, but until they beat the number one team in the nation they will continure to be...PAPER CHAMPIONS.

It looks like Notre Dame's schedule was tougher this year. Michigan was much better when they played ND. The Irish are obviously the better team. I just hope Bama can hang with them.

 

actually ND has no chance.. they are the underdogs. the coach for vandy has them #4 behind florida, georgia and bama and im sure any one of those teams second string could destroy the irish. ND doesnt have the speed like the SEC. they squeaked by too many games to be legit. Vandy would cow stop the IRISH. every team in the SEC would destroy the IRISH, they would have been 0-12 if they were in the SEC.

Yep read it. And I don't agree with pre-season polls or the polls in general but the SEC's best team has beaten the other conference's best team 8 out of 14 times since the match ups between the #1 and #2 teams have played. That also came from the article.

 

doesnt matter if you agree with Pre-season polls, they affect the season, and give the SEC a biased advantage. As for the "SEC team bettering the other teams," you sound like an SEC fan. The SEC didnt beat them; Florida, Bama, LSU, and Auburn (who bought their championship) have. Those other 8 teams dont deserve credit for something 4 teams have done. SEC has some good teams, but that doesnt mean the conference is loaded from top to bottom and that the conference deserves an unfair advantage.

 

Seriously, there is nothing you can argue with in regards to this article and the unfair treatment the SEC gets.

doesnt matter if you agree with Pre-season polls, they affect the season, and give the SEC a biased advantage. As for the "SEC team bettering the other teams," you sound like an SEC fan. The SEC didnt beat them; Florida, Bama, LSU, and Auburn (who bought their championship) have. Those other 8 teams dont deserve credit for something 4 teams have done. SEC has some good teams, but that doesnt mean the conference is loaded from top to bottom and that the conference deserves an unfair advantage.

 

Seriously, there is nothing you can argue with in regards to this article and the unfair treatment the SEC gets.

 

And they are in the SEC. That is my obvious point. I'm a Notre Dame fan first you know the "pessimist" kind that has to have his loyalty questioned from time to time, but the fact remains that when the best SEC team faces the best team from another conference in the championship game they win. Period. You forgot to mention Tennessee there when they beat FSU in 1998 so it hasn't been just those four that you mentioned. No other conference has more national champions in the BCS era than they do. The closest conference that comes to them is the Big 12 with Oklahoma and Texas being national champions. Guess I might be a Big 12 fan too...sc had to vacate their BCS win and no other Pac 10 team, Big East team or ACC team has won it except for FSU. Also I forgot the Big 10 with OSU...

 

As far as preseason polls affecting the season, I completely agree with you there.

Edited January 3, 201311 yr by mcdougal93

Tambo I just want to say I appreciate when bama plays a big OOC game to start the year....I don't appreciate the FCS teams....but when LSU plays Oregon and WVU and Bama plays PSU and Michigan....they are good matchups....while BAMA happened to catch those two teams in off years...nobody can help that similar to us scheduling Texas to boost our schedule....and if they play like they did this year and we kill them it won't mean much

Tambo I just want to say I appreciate when bama plays a big OOC game to start the year....I don't appreciate the FCS teams....but when LSU plays Oregon and WVU and Bama plays PSU and Michigan....they are good matchups....while BAMA happened to catch those two teams in off years...nobody can help that similar to us scheduling Texas to boost our schedule....and if they play like they did this year and we kill them it won't mean much

 

TIFWIW but I don't think Bama fans appreciate the FCS games either. Some years the SEC West is so difficult (last year as an example) or in years past where the league allows a disproportionate number of tea,s to have bye weeks prior to playing us that I think sometimes it is done for protection. That said, I would rather stick to FBS teams at minimum.