Read quite a few times on here that if Te'o doesn't win the Heisman, the award will be meaningless...worthless...whatever.

 

Saying that diminishes the efforts and accolades bestowed to seven fine Irish players who have come before Te'o.

Read quite a few times on here that if Te'o doesn't win the Heisman, the award will be meaningless...worthless...whatever.

 

Saying that diminishes the efforts and accolades bestowed to seven fine Irish players who have come before Te'o.

 

the heisman has become kind of a joke.

Read quite a few times on here that if Te'o doesn't win the Heisman, the award will be meaningless...worthless...whatever.

 

Saying that diminishes the efforts and accolades bestowed to seven fine Irish players who have come before Te'o.

 

Agreed completely. It's a great award, and there wouldn't be such discussion and angst over wanting Te'o to win it if it wasn't. :yo:

As Coach Kelly said if Te'o doesn't win you might as well just call it an offensive award. Suh and Te'o were/are the best candidates in their respective years. The fact neither of them wins it diminishes the award as being for the best CFB player.

I'm just saying that it's been a prestigious award up until a few months ago by many a Notre Dame fan. To all of a sudden dismiss it is lame.

Its a joke if Manti doesn't win but its prestigious if he does. Sounds like the thinking of a 5 year old.

No one was out there saying this when RGIII won it last year. Instead of calling it a "joke" can we just agree that its a difficult year for the award to be determined? Every player invited has a good case on why they should win the award.

I'm just saying that it's been a prestigious award up until a few months ago by many a Notre Dame fan. To all of a sudden dismiss it is lame.

 

We already had at least two lame winners of the heisman trophy given to us....

As Coach Kelly said if Te'o doesn't win you might as well just call it an offensive award. Suh and Te'o were/are the best candidates in their respective years. The fact neither of them wins it diminishes the award as being for the best CFB player.

i have renamed the heisman the Davey Walker Award (a combonation of the Davey O'Brien and Doak Walker Award).

 

Suh should have won it, he was the reason colt mccoy didn't win it. everybody wants to talk about johnny football and what he did against 'bama but they seem to have forgotten that he did squat against florida and lsu. te'o hasn't had a bad game all year, zero poor performances.

No one was out there saying this when RGIII won it last year. Instead of calling it a "joke" can we just agree that its a difficult year for the award to be determined? Every player invited has a good case on why they should win the award.

 

agree with this. Tennessee fans are still pissed about Manning losing the Heisman to Woodson over a decade ago.

I'm just saying that it's been a prestigious award up until a few months ago by many a Notre Dame fan. To all of a sudden dismiss it is lame.

 

eh, I think it lost some luster when it went to Cam Newton, but that's just me.

 

The award stands for something outside of performance and measurables, maybe that needs to be changed to be just an award based off stats.

 

Seeing as defensive players effect the ability of offensive guys, it makes sense that the award could go to a defensive player....some voters won't even allow that thought.

Do with this what you want, folks. It's from the Heisman website:

 

Heisman Trust Mission Statement

 

 

The Heisman Memorial Trophy annually recognizes the outstanding college football player whose performance best exhibits the pursuit of excellence with integrity. Winners epitomize great ability combined with diligence, perseverance, and hard work. The Heisman Trophy Trust ensures the continuation and integrity of this award. The Trust, furthermore, has a charitable mission to support amateur athletics and to provide greater opportunities to the youth of our country. Our goal through these charitable endeavors is for the Heisman Trophy to symbolize the fostering of a sense of community responsibility and service to our youth, especially those disadvantaged or afflicted. All assets of the Trust beyond the expense of maintaining the annual presentation of the Heisman Memorial Trophy are reserved for such charitable causes. The Trustees, who all serve pro bono, are guided by a devotion to college football and are committed to community service and the valued tradition which the Trophy represents.

I think a lot of it has to do with the fact that we haven't had a player come along that has fully embodied the Heisman mission statement as much as Te'o does, in a long time. I think he's beginning to really shine a light on what the award is SUPPOSED to represent, both on and off the field, and is helping to change our perception of that.

 

I'll admit to having said that the award will be worthless in other threads, and that was probably over-reaction and hyperbole. I think it was mainly just the realization of the fact that so many winners have been great on the field, but not so great off the field or haven't reflected the true embodiment of the Heisman Mission Statement. Is it still a prestigious award? Yes. But if it's only going to be for the highest offensive stats, they should chance their mission statement to reflect that.

Do with this what you want, folks. It's from the Heisman website:

 

Heisman Trust Mission Statement

 

 

The Heisman Memorial Trophy annually recognizes the outstanding college football player whose performance best exhibits the pursuit of excellence with integrity. Winners epitomize great ability combined with diligence, perseverance, and hard work. The Heisman Trophy Trust ensures the continuation and integrity of this award. The Trust, furthermore, has a charitable mission to support amateur athletics and to provide greater opportunities to the youth of our country. Our goal through these charitable endeavors is for the Heisman Trophy to symbolize the fostering of a sense of community responsibility and service to our youth, especially those disadvantaged or afflicted. All assets of the Trust beyond the expense of maintaining the annual presentation of the Heisman Memorial Trophy are reserved for such charitable causes. The Trustees, who all serve pro bono, are guided by a devotion to college football and are committed to community service and the valued tradition which the Trophy represents.

 

Sounds a lot better than "The Heisman Memorial Trophy annually recognizes a quarterback on a reasonably successful team who put up big numbers and whose poor performances occurred early in the season. Alternatively, in rare instances where there is no trendy quarterback candidate, the Heisman Memorial Trophy recognizes a running back from a top 3 team." Just not as accurate.

It doesn't diminish their accomplishments, it just diminished it for who wins it now.

I think a lot of it has to do with the fact that we haven't had a player come along that has fully embodied the Heisman mission statement as much as Te'o does, in a long time. I think he's beginning to really shine a light on what the award is SUPPOSED to represent, both on and off the field, and is helping to change our perception of that.

 

I'll admit to having said that the award will be worthless in other threads, and that was probably over-reaction and hyperbole. I think it was mainly just the realization of the fact that so many winners have been great on the field, but not so great off the field or haven't reflected the true embodiment of the Heisman Mission Statement. Is it still a prestigious award? Yes. But if it's only going to be for the highest offensive stats, they should chance their mission statement to reflect that.

 

I whole heartedly agree with this assessment. Thank you smaster for posting the Mission Statement. I hope that same statement went out to all voters prior to their vote. It is inarguable that the award has diminished in its integrity in the past 5-10 years. Yes it is still prestigous, but the commercialization in the presentatioon of the candidates has truly emphasized the offensive stats side of the plate. I believe that CK and MT are the candidates that reflect the true embodiment of the award. Johnny Bail Bonds has just come up short on his accomplishmnets off the field IMHO.

Edited December 5, 201211 yr by VCDomer

The Heisman trophy awarded in the present day should not be confused with the trophy that was handed out in the prior century. It's become a media-driven hype machine that uses myopic vision and short memories to determine the best player in college football. Just because the award that Tim Brown last won had some integrity to it, doesn't mean they are using the same measuring stick now. The fact that Johnny Manziel is even sniffing the lead is all the evidence I need. I fully believe that Te'o winning it would restore some of the integrity to the award for awarding the player, not their statistics. If that makes me a homer or a 5 year old - fine.

It has become a popularity contest recently... not this:

 

The Heisman Memorial Trophy annually recognizes the outstanding college football player whose performance best exhibits the pursuit of excellence with integrity. Winners epitomize great ability combined with diligence, perseverance, and hard work. The Heisman Trophy Trust ensures the continuation and integrity of this award. The Trust, furthermore, has a charitable mission to support amateur athletics and to provide greater opportunities to the youth of our country. Our goal through these charitable endeavors is for the Heisman Trophy to symbolize the fostering of a sense of community responsibility and service to our youth, especially those disadvantaged or afflicted. All assets of the Trust beyond the expense of maintaining the annual presentation of the Heisman Memorial Trophy are reserved for such charitable causes. The Trustees, who all serve pro bono, are guided by a devotion to college football and are committed to community service and the valued tradition which the Trophy represents.

has always been a popularity contest in some fashion.

....manziel doesn't deserve it nor klein...nobody really does on offense...if USC would've finished with 10 wins lee would win it....

 

I don't know when the heisman started to factor in how good the team is that the player plays for...or when they decided to start looking at stat (like I say they're like bikinis...they're cool but don't show you alot)...I thought it was always "the best college football player in the country"

 

and If that is Johnny Manziel then CFB really, really, really is in bad shape this year...which it is (see NIU in orange bowl and poor performances by top programs like Michigan, USC, Arkansas, Texas)

for fun, let's ask ourself this.

 

what if USC was 12-0 and Manti was a Trojan (ugh, puke).

his season and off-field life happened the exact same way.

 

and let's say the ND guy was Manziel (or heck, leave him on A&M), beat Bama, all stats the same. had two losses.

 

A crazy hypothetical, but who would you honestly want to win the Heisman.

 

(now I understand SOS, etc., but for argument's sake, just answer the question).:yo: