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Anyone else watching ESPN right now? Sportscenter has been doing everything possible all night to keep the Heisman from Manti and make sure it stays in their SEC cashcow. They just aired Te'o's interview and then immediately after said he might not be the best defensive player in the country. They then licked Manziel's crotch for a solid 5 minutes straight. It's really unbelievable how bad the "journalism" is.

 

I saw it & honestly (as a devout catholic) I honestly say that Manti (who's late GF, in her grace of God) is above what the Heisman currently stands for. Forget ther verbage os what the coveted trophy states. This trophy is a popularity contest of who does what at they key point of the season. ie....dettmer vs raghib

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Manziel is simply undeserving if you look closely at his performances. More than half his TDs were out of conference. His performance against LSU was atrocious. It could be argued very convincingly that he personally lost both the LSU and Florida games for his team. His team jumped out to leads in both; in the second halves, A&M scored 7 points COMBINED. In two second halves. And they lost both of them by less than a touchdown.

 

Manziel is the purest product of the media bias conceivable. He's a system QB, just as Sumlin's other QBs were system QBs. You put Case Keenum or whatever his name was on A&M this year, you probably get the same results.

 

System QBs winning Heismans is very, very tired. I wonder what kind of numbers Golson would put up in Sumlin's offense? I bet they'd be at least as good as Manziel's. And I bet Everett wouldn't have lost those two games - Everett is actually a clutch player, unlike Johnny Come Lately.

 

But hey, way to pad your stats against Mizzou tonight, kid. Meanwhile Manti was doing meaningful things against a real team in a game in which he was more than just a spoiler.

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Im so tired of the hate for ESPN, get over it already.

 

Manti is a great player, but enough is enough. Its an offensive award, Manti will gladly take the Championship over any personal award.

 

 

The Heisman is neither officially, nor in practice, an offensive award. I'm sure Manti would rather take both than just one, if given the option.

 

A Heisman, for better or worse, is a great honor not only for a player but for his school. An eighth Heisman, and the first to a purely defensive player, would be a big deal for ND. It would be right up there with Hornung winning on a losing team - proof of ND's superiority. Only ND can do such things, etc.

 

And we'll stop hating on ESPN when they stop destroying the sport we love - you see, college football is still a media sport. Things are decided by vote rather than just on the field. So when you have this giant media entity propagandizing for and against certain things, it ends up seriously affecting the outcomes. You do realize we very nearly had another title game between the SEC champ and another SEC team that failed to even APPEAR in its conference title game, right? Would've been the second in two years. That's ESPN. In conjunction with the SEC schools and southern media people, they've hi-jacked the sport. If you love NCAA football, you better hate ESPN.

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Im so tired of the hate for ESPN, get over it already.

 

Manti is a great player, but enough is enough. Its an offensive award, Manti will gladly take the Championship over any personal award.

 

Have to agree with you there. Manti is a team first player. This team plays for each other, Manti is an essential cog in the engine, but he is a kid who would never put his goals above the greater glory of the team's accomplishments. He's said it all season long that the team wants to win and that is all that matters to him and to be playing with his friends. If he was a me guy, he would've been gone in the Spring for the draft. The tragic series of events that transpired this fall centered around Manti, but I think had an even more profound impact on the entire team, galvanizing them and their commitment to win as a team above all else.

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What the Heisman truly stands for: Manti.

 

What the Heisman has become: Manziel.

 

If Manti has one thing going for him, Manziel's schedule is done for now as well. He's already been getting so much publicity that a conference title game would have been a chance to garner more with Manti out of the picture. Still, I knew when the "Johnny Football" moniker started circulating that the media had their baby.

 

Klein has one more game against Texas so he has a slight chance to get himself back in the conversation.

 

At the very least, Manti should be in NY. If by chance he actually wins it, I would probably be wiping my eyes. I truly believe he deserves it.

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doesn't matter.. manti is the best player in college football this year... awards will always have a biased attached. good on pat "the drag queen" hayden for saying publicly that he was voting for manti! oh and good on mayock for promoting manti. and also stating if he had a vote it would be for manti.!

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Have to agree with you there. Manti is a team first player. This team plays for each other, Manti is an essential cog in the engine, but he is a kid who would never put his goals above the greater glory of the team's accomplishments. He's said it all season long that the team wants to win and that is all that matters to him and to be playing with his friends. If he was a me guy, he would've been gone in the Spring for the draft. The tragic series of events that transpired this fall centered around Manti, but I think had an even more profound impact on the entire team, galvanizing them and their commitment to win as a team above all else.

 

 

But that's the thing - the Heisman isn't a "me" award. It's an award to the entire football program and the university. The player gets it and keeps it forever, yes, and it's his name on it, but the university's name is on there too, and it's part of their lore forever. It's something they can say to recruits forever. When ND says how many Heisman winners and all-americans they've had, does it sound like they're talking about "me" awards? Awards award the school. Similarly, a player going in the first round awards the school, even if it's a me thing for the player; and so does NFL success of certain players.

 

All this stuff belongs to ND. Montana winning Super Bowls? That was ours. Bettis? That was ours. And so on with all the Heismans and all-american selections, and coach of the year awards. It all adds to the prestige of the program.

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I think everyone but Manziel and Te'o is out of the running. Klein's loss was disastrous - too big a stage, too embarrassing a beatdown, too ugly a performance.

 

Manziel still has to be the heavy favorite to win - gaudy numbers (never mentioned that fully half of them were achieved in non-SEC games) and a complete media blitz by the SEC contingent - meaning ESPN, which runs sports media. When they name Heisman favorites on their shows and Manziel is first and Te'o is either not mentioned or is an after thought, that has an effect - as it's designed to have an effect. It's like when they were "reporting" their "expert" saying ND couldn't pass KSU or Oregon in the BCS - it wasn't reporting news, it was attempting to influence it by influencing voters to think of what they said as true, and a foregone conclusion. They also have put it to a point where no one ever mentions Manziel's losses or performances in those games. Plus obviously he's a QB.

 

HOWEVER.

 

He's a freshman. There's a contingent of older voters who will not vote for a freshman. Ever. Te'o also has numerous unique advantages, of which the storybook night tonight is one - a pick, and another amazing goal line stop, against a glamor team on the road at night to clinch a title shot. Te'o has a puncher's chance. He also may benefit from mea culpa votes from media members who missed the boat on ND in preseason and feel the need to repay them now.

 

Will be interesting. Te'o will be at least 2nd, which is amazing. Manziel I give a 90% chance to win.

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But that's the thing - the Heisman isn't a "me" award. It's an award to the entire football program and the university. The player gets it and keeps it forever, yes, and it's his name on it, but the university's name is on there too, and it's part of their lore forever. It's something they can say to recruits forever. When ND says how many Heisman winners and all-americans they've had, does it sound like they're talking about "me" awards? Awards award the school. Similarly, a player going in the first round awards the school, even if it's a me thing for the player; and so does NFL success of certain players.

 

All this stuff belongs to ND. Montana winning Super Bowls? That was ours. Bettis? That was ours. And so on with all the Heismans and all-american selections, and coach of the year awards. It all adds to the prestige of the program.

 

seriously when the rocket didnt win it, that award lost all cred.

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one thing that could work in Manti's favour. the one announcer said last night there are some voters who will not vote for a freshman.

 

why does Manziel get so much love anyway?

passing yards. 3419. 14th in FBS.

TD. 24. 24th in FBS.

QB rating. 155.9. 18th in FBS.

 

(unless I'm missing something. looking at stats on ESPN.com)

EDIT: I didn't include his rushing.

 

what about Aaron Murray from Georgia. 3201 yards, 30 TD (10th), QB rating 177.1 (1st)

 

 

 

I would still vote for Manti, most outstanding player.

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