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Listening to xm 91 college sports (free trial til the 27th btw)....they said Brian Kelly had a good conversation with Hand who is the #1 recruit in the nation next year playing DE. http://247sports.com/Player/DaShawn-Hand-16094

 

He was supposed to be a VT lean but they have been disappointing this year....looks like we might at least be in play

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The day we get the #1 Dlineman in the land will be the day the world ends... He will end up in the SEC... like they always do. Having said that, its noteworthy because at least the kid is listening to ND.

 

This ^^^

 

With one caveat, however. Lemming was talking the other day that after this incoming class, assuming it stays as is, ND will finally have the depth to start to go HARD after SERIOUS difference-makers or as he called them "#1 draft pick" guys. Holtz did it and he thinks BK and staff can do it. That has been my (very) slight concern with BK and staff so far in that they have not really brought in a Top 5 recruit like Jimmy or Manti yet. I agree with Lemming that they now have a real chance to do so and TRULY compete year-in and year-out for the NC...

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This ^^^

 

With one caveat, however. Lemming was talking the other day that after this incoming class, assuming it stays as is, ND will finally have the depth to start to go HARD after SERIOUS difference-makers or as he called them "#1 draft pick" guys. Holtz did it and he thinks BK and staff can do it. That has been my (very) slight concern with BK and staff so far in that they have not really brought in a Top 5 recruit like Jimmy or Manti yet. I agree with Lemming that they now have a real chance to do so and TRULY compete year-in and year-out for the NC...

 

i'd say jaylon is undoubtedly a top 5 recruit in the country and has the very real chance to be a top 5 drafted player coming out

 

but for a more recent example, i think Tuitt will be a top 5 pick whenever he comes out. he may not have been rated that way be the recruiting sites, but that was merely a mistake on their part :razz:

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i'd say jaylon is undoubtedly a top 5 recruit in the country and has the very real chance to be a top 5 drafted player coming out

 

but for a more recent example, i think Tuitt will be a top 5 pick whenever he comes out. he may not have been rated that way be the recruiting sites, but that was merely a mistake on their part :razz:

 

Jaylon is not a Top 5 player. Can we please take off our shamrock-colored glasses here? Yes, Tuiit was a great get and appears to be on his way toward a Top 5 draft pick but neither of those guys were ranked like Manti and Jimmy. We NEED those kids cuz Ala., SC, etc are getting them.

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Jaylon is not a Top 5 player. Can we please take off our shamrock-colored glasses here? Yes, Tuiit was a great get and appears to be on his way toward a Top 5 draft pick but neither of those guys were ranked like Manti and Jimmy. We NEED those kids cuz Ala., SC, etc are getting them.

 

I'm confused. Jaylon is top 5 on nearly every service. They 247 composite has him as the #3 overall player in the class every site has him as the #1 OLB. He's ranked higher than Manti was on many services. Rivals had Manti as the #12 player overall and #2 ILB. It has Jaylon #3. The 247 composite has/had Manti at #4, Jaylon is the #3 player by that measure.

 

So Jaylon is actually ranked as a better prospect than Manti at this point.

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Jaylon is not a Top 5 player. Can we please take off our shamrock-colored glasses here? Yes, Tuiit was a great get and appears to be on his way toward a Top 5 draft pick but neither of those guys were ranked like Manti and Jimmy. We NEED those kids cuz Ala., SC, etc are getting them.

 

seriously? u don't think Jaylon is a top 5 player coming in? many people who have seen him have said he might be the best OLB prospect to come out in 5-10 years (even Farrell said this and he has no love loss for ND)...that kid is an elite athlete with pass rushing AND coverage skills...every single site has him as a top 5 player w/ the exception of ESPN who has him at #9 so i'm not quite sure what to tell you about him but i guess we just agree to disagree then

 

and while true that Tuitt wasn't rated as high as Jimmy or Manti, i'm not quite sure why that even matters...rankings are fun to talk about but all sites miss on some guys (and yes, they get some guys right like Manti and Jimmy) and it's incredibly clear that they ALL UNDERRATED Tuitt...i could care less if they ranked him #90 (like ESPN did), the kid is producing at a top 5 level and that's far more important than some useless ranking that's no guarantee of college success

 

so in the end, ur argument makes no sense. You say BK hasn't recruited a top elite level guy according to the rankings yet we have a top 5 player in this very class in Jaylon which you refuse to recognize because i guess you don't think he's very good

 

and then we have a guy on our team who wasn't rated top 5 but is producing at a top 5 level but that doesn't matter because he wasn't rated in the top 5 coming out of HS

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The day we get the #1 Dlineman in the land will be the day the world ends... He will end up in the SEC... like they always do. Having said that, its noteworthy because at least the kid is listening to ND.

 

 

 

Two years ago the number one player was DE Clowney (sp?) who went to the ACC not the SEC.

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Jaylon is not a Top 5 player. Can we please take off our shamrock-colored glasses here? Yes, Tuiit was a great get and appears to be on his way toward a Top 5 draft pick but neither of those guys were ranked like Manti and Jimmy. We NEED those kids cuz Ala., SC, etc are getting them.

 

In the end, while elite players are needed, I think the list really needs to be opened up to the top 10-20 or so, who I would still consider elite.

 

Going by the 247 composite, ND has gotten more top 5 players since 2007 than Alabama has, 3-2. The difference is, Alabama is getting 3-4 top 20 players a year and another 4-5 from 21-100.

 

That is what ND has lacked. They've gotten the top end elite player, Floyd, Te'o, Clausen, but they don't back him up with 4-5 more on the cusp of elite player.

 

Hopefully that is changing as ND has more top 100 type guys this year than most.

 

I'd rather have 5 top 50 guys than 1 top 5 guy and a bunch of non-100's.

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First off I'd like to thank this thread in particular for finally getting me to stop being a lurker and to register. Because there are like 99 absurd, incorrect comments in this one thread.

 

Second, Clowney went to (and is still at) South Carolina, an SEC school.

 

Third, Jaylon Smith is a consensus top 5 player nationally. He's ranked 3rd by Rivals, 9th by ESPN, 5th by 247, and 6th by Scout. How someone could be a regular reader and poster in a Notre Dame recruiting forum and not seem to have any of this - could think Smith was some local nobody or hometown discount type player, rather than a national stud - is beyond me. He's a bigger get than Te'o.

 

Fourth, Kelly has nothing to prove about getting elite players, especially on defense. Apparently several people in this thread (including the same genius who thought Jaylon Smith was a scrub) missed the 2011 recruiting class. Seriously. It really honestly reads like 2011 just never happened. Kelly ALREADY went and got the kind of d-linemen the top SEC schools get. It was a big story at the time. What did you think Tuitt, Lynch and Ishaq WERE? Those were 5-star recruits on multiple services each.

 

Be better than this. Or, if you're going to be ignorant, please let there be other posters who will call the people on their ignorance and make them accountable.

 

You may think you have no influence and it doesn't matter how ignorant you are, but that's not true. Messageboards = media, these days. A nonsense thread like this - by fans who supposedly know their team better than national media would - ends up continuing nonsense narratives about ND can't get the d-linemen to compete with the SEC schools. And it IS nonsense, which you'd know if you paid attention, or bothered to know what you were talking about before you posted about it.

 

If you don't know something, it's fine to just not say anything.

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Jaylon is not a Top 5 player. Can we please take off our shamrock-colored glasses here? Yes, Tuiit was a great get and appears to be on his way toward a Top 5 draft pick but neither of those guys were ranked like Manti and Jimmy. We NEED those kids cuz Ala., SC, etc are getting them.

 

Jaylon is universally regarded as top 5 AND a better prospect than was Teo.

He also plays a more valued position.

 

Your opinion is fine and dandy, it's just that no one agrees with you.

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