indyirishdad Posted November 14, 2012 Share Posted November 14, 2012 Sorry if this has been discussed but how the f$#@ does Alabama lose to a 2 loss team and only drop to 4th? I have been reading post after post on this site and TOS about ND's unimpressive victories against BYU, Purdue, Pitt, & BC and how it weighs heavily against us playing for a NC and it infuriates me. If Bama had won every game on their schedule by 1 point in nine overtimes they would still be ranked 1st. If I was an A&M fan I would be furious. How does it make any sense to beat a team and then be ranked below them? It's crazy. The only argument is that A&M is a 2 loss team but guess what, THAT SAME TEAM BEAT ALABAMA. 4th? Why, why, why? Herbstreit argued there is no conspiracy to keep ND out. That's probably true considering they are spending all their time to keep Bama in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShamrockShapedTurds Posted November 14, 2012 Share Posted November 14, 2012 Sorry if this has been discussed but how the f$#@ does Alabama lose to a 2 loss team and only drop to 4th? I have been reading post after post on this site and TOS about ND's unimpressive victories against BYU, Purdue, Pitt, & BC and how it weighs heavily against us playing for a NC and it infuriates me. If Bama had won every game on their schedule by 1 point in nine overtimes they would still be ranked 1st. If I was an A&M fan I would be furious. How does it make any sense to beat a team and then be ranked below them? It's crazy. The only argument is that A&M is a 2 loss team but guess what, THAT SAME TEAM BEAT ALABAMA. 4th? Why, why, why? Herbstreit argued there is no conspiracy to keep ND out. That's probably true considering they are spending all their time to keep Bama in. I already posted it, but this explains it all. Bama dropped to 4th because it is economically good for ESPN and those with power and money to keep them in the MNC picture. http://www.thepostgame.com/commentary/201208/better-without-em-northern-manifesto-southern-secession-chuck-thompson-sec-bcs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HitchandGo Posted November 14, 2012 Share Posted November 14, 2012 The "eye test" thing plays a role. Not sure how I'd actually vote but I think Bama beats A&M 7 or 8 times out of ten. Same for the other SEC teams. There is no way undefeated ND gets leaped by Bama anyway so they are the least of my concerns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpeedsterX Posted November 14, 2012 Share Posted November 14, 2012 Yep, it sucks but Bama is out of the picture now as long as 2 of us 3 are undefeated. If we all lost a game though, Bama would be the first team they would all put right back at #1 and that's why they don't want them too far from first place. Just in case! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jarious Posted November 14, 2012 Share Posted November 14, 2012 I can't get over how absurd it is that there are six SEC teams ranked in a row....4 thru 9 in the BCS. Really? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErickJD08 Posted November 14, 2012 Share Posted November 14, 2012 The "eye test" thing plays a role. Not sure how I'd actually vote but I think Bama beats A&M 7 or 8 times out of ten. Same for the other SEC teams. There is no way undefeated ND gets leaped by Bama anyway so they are the least of my concerns. This. Not sure how much football you watch but Bama would beat the piss out of most top 10 teams 9 out of 10 times. They are by FAR the best one loss team and if ND doesn't beat Wake with style, both polls will have Bama ahead of ND. You can book that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donjuan Posted November 14, 2012 Share Posted November 14, 2012 Didn't ND only drop a couple spots upon losing to BC in '93?? I can't remember for sure... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corysold Posted November 14, 2012 Share Posted November 14, 2012 This. Not sure how much football you watch but Bama would beat the piss out of most top 10 teams 9 out of 10 times. They are by FAR the best one loss team and if ND doesn't beat Wake with style, both polls will have Bama ahead of ND. You can book that. Not sure why you think this. Ba has played two top 20 teams. They were outplayed by one and eeked out a win when Miles blew it and lost to the other. So in two games, they haven't beat the piss out of any top 10 teams, but you think it would happen 9 of 10 times? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrishCalves Posted November 14, 2012 Share Posted November 14, 2012 To dismiss A&M as a "two loss team" isn't giving them a lot of credit. They were in it to the end with Florida and LSU - two highly ranked opponents in their own right. I don't have a problem with it. I might have put them behind Georgia based on how the two teams have looked in the last 2-3 weeks, but I wouldn't drop them much further than that. They lost a tight game against a very good Texas A&M program. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knute Posted November 14, 2012 Share Posted November 14, 2012 Notre Dame and Alabama both played Michigan at the beginning of the year. Alabama won 41-14. Michigan was ranked #8 in the polls at the time. Notre Dame later beat Michigan 13-6. There are some legitimate reasons why you could argue that Alabama is at least as good as Notre Dame, if not better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corysold Posted November 14, 2012 Share Posted November 14, 2012 Notre Dame and Alabama both played Michigan at the beginning of the year. Alabama won 41-14. Michigan was ranked #8 in the polls at the time. Notre Dame later beat Michigan 13-6. There are some legitimate reasons why you could argue that Alabama is at least as good as Notre Dame, if not better. True, but you also have to remember that Alabama brought back nearly their entire offense from a national title winning team. ND was starting a freshman in his 4th start ever. Clearly ND was a different team then than they are now. You can probably make a case for 7 or 8 teams being the "best team", but the fact is, as this point three teams have beaten everyone they've played, and everyone else hasn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irish21 Posted November 14, 2012 Share Posted November 14, 2012 Sorry if this has been discussed but how the f$#@ does Alabama lose to a 2 loss team and only drop to 4th? I have been reading post after post on this site and TOS about ND's unimpressive victories against BYU, Purdue, Pitt, & BC and how it weighs heavily against us playing for a NC and it infuriates me. If Bama had won every game on their schedule by 1 point in nine overtimes they would still be ranked 1st. If I was an A&M fan I would be furious. How does it make any sense to beat a team and then be ranked below them? It's crazy. The only argument is that A&M is a 2 loss team but guess what, THAT SAME TEAM BEAT ALABAMA. 4th? Why, why, why? Herbstreit argued there is no conspiracy to keep ND out. That's probably true considering they are spending all their time to keep Bama in. Everyone seems to be kicking Alabama when they're down, but the reality is that they are still an excellent football team who were beaten by a hot QB the week after a brutal game @ LSU. Also, Texas A&M has 2 losses and doesn't deserve to be ranked ahead of Alabama, which defeated the same LSU team that A&M lost to at home. LSU doesn't deserve to be ranked ahead of Alabama, and Texas A&M doesn't deserve to be ranked ahead of LSU. Alabama is #4 because voters agree that they are the best one loss team in the country. They are going to dismantle Georgia in the SEC Championship game and prove it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franco Posted November 14, 2012 Share Posted November 14, 2012 True, but you also have to remember that Alabama brought back nearly their entire offense from a national title winning team. ND was starting a freshman in his 4th start ever. Clearly ND was a different team then than they are now. You can probably make a case for 7 or 8 teams being the "best team", but the fact is, as this point three teams have beaten everyone they've played, and everyone else hasn't. definitely...kinda like the NY Giants...was like 9-7 going into the playoffs and then they hit their stride We just have the benefit from winning all of our games while getting better Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indyirishdad Posted November 15, 2012 Author Share Posted November 15, 2012 Bama had a chance to dismantle A&M and didn't. They lost and barely beat LSU. Everybody here has preached the best time to drop a game is in the beginning of the season to stay in it. Guess that's BS. Also, if ND lost to an undefeated Bama do you think they would stay in the top 6 or 7? Hell no they wouldn't. Bias is saturating the system and if you guys can't see it, you're not looking. I give a f$#@ how good Bama may be. They lost to a team who lost to two other teams and they should drop like every other team would have. Hypotheticals are out, reality should be king. A&M is coming on late, and Bama IS NOT THE BETTER TEAM this year. If they were they SHOULD have won. They lost. They should drop accordingly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocketsan Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 Didn't ND only drop a couple spots upon losing to BC in '93?? I can't remember for sure... They dropped to 4th then 5th the following week then back to 4th the week after. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corysold Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 Bama had a chance to dismantle A&M and didn't. They lost and barely beat LSU. Everybody here has preached the best time to drop a game is in the beginning of the season to stay in it. Guess that's BS. Also, if ND lost to an undefeated Bama do you think they would stay in the top 6 or 7? Hell no they wouldn't. Bias is saturating the system and if you guys can't see it, you're not looking. I give a f$#@ how good Bama may be. They lost to a team who lost to two other teams and they should drop like every other team would have. Hypotheticals are out, reality should be king. A&M is coming on late, and Bama IS NOT THE BETTER TEAM this year. If they were they SHOULD have won. They lost. They should drop accordingly. The problem is there is no rhyme or reason, other than perception, on why teams are where they are. A team like Georgia has played two ranked teams. They barely beat one, when Florida had 6 turnovers, and were hammered by the other 35-7. That makes them the #5 team in the nation? Meanwhile a team like Oklahoma has lost to the #1 and #3 teams in the nation and taken the #17 team Texas to the woodshed, but they are ranked outside of 10. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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