ND 10-0, KSU 8-0, Oregon 8-0

[notredameroom]

Kansas St. played North Texas and Missouri State.

Oregon played Arkansas St. and Tennessee Tech.

 

KSU, ND and Oregon each have poor FBS teams on their schedule. But ND ONLY TEAM IN COUNTRY to defeat 10 FBS teams from power conference (or independents).

 

No way a North Texas, Arkansas St., Missouri St.or Tennessee Tech has more than a 1 percent chance of winning those games. Even Navy or Pitt or BC will have solid years from time to time. But those FCS schools? they are getting paid to lose. Oregon and K-State are BUYING victories. Let's start here and make a rule where that isn't allowed any longer.

[piratey]

Kansas St. played North Texas and Missouri State.

Oregon played Arkansas St. and Tennessee Tech.

 

KSU, ND and Oregon each have poor FBS teams on their schedule. But ND ONLY TEAM IN COUNTRY to defeat 10 FBS teams from power conference (or independents).

 

No way a North Texas, Arkansas St., Missouri St.or Tennessee Tech has more than a 1 percent chance of winning those games. Even Navy or Pitt or BC will have solid years from time to time. But those FCS schools? they are getting paid to lose. Oregon and K-State are BUYING victories. Let's start here and make a rule where that isn't allowed any longer.

 

Michigan paid for a victory once.

 

http://www.clevelandskyline.com/Appalachian_State_Michigan_Upset_Photo_appsu3_large.jpg

[EddieAngel]

Moral of this story is it helps to sharpen your claws on helpless teams. Then we could have 3 50+ point games to impress voters.

 

Take out Pitt and BYU and replace them with Savannah State and South Central Louisiana Technical college and we are in teh BCS title game.

[IRISH812]

Kansas St. played North Texas and Missouri State.

Oregon played Arkansas St. and Tennessee Tech.

 

KSU, ND and Oregon each have poor FBS teams on their schedule. But ND ONLY TEAM IN COUNTRY to defeat 10 FBS teams from power conference (or independents).

 

No way a North Texas, Arkansas St., Missouri St.or Tennessee Tech has more than a 1 percent chance of winning those games. Even Navy or Pitt or BC will have solid years from time to time. But those FCS schools? they are getting paid to lose. Oregon and K-State are BUYING victories. Let's start here and make a rule where that isn't allowed any longer.

Must be nice to work out the early season kinks against teams you have no chance of losing against...we schedule Purdue for our 2nd game and get hurt because we didn't best them bad enough after a long trip back from Ireland while these guys avoid playing even bad D1 teams that could sneak up on them if they aren't prepared. Funny thing is K ST and OR we're supposed to play this year but canceled their game...

[notredameroom]

Michigan paid for a victory once.

 

http://www.clevelandskyline.com/Appalachian_State_Michigan_Upset_Photo_appsu3_large.jpg

 

yes. that is the first game that comes to mind. But remember. That Appy St. team was probably best in the nation that year in FCS. And Michigan was HORRIBLE that year. So you have a TOP team vs. a BOTTOM team. Not a bottom FCS team vs. a TOP FBS team.

 

I remember in 2003 when No. 1 FCS school Western Illinois played at LSU in death valley. trailed 13-7 at half. Got an onside kick to start second half, drove down, had 1st and goal from 1 yard line. Got stuffed four straight plays. Then lost 35-7.

 

depth and talent just too much in these games for most part for lower schools to have a chance over four quarters.

[irish21]

yes. that is the first game that comes to mind. But remember. That Appy St. team was probably best in the nation that year in FCS. And Michigan was HORRIBLE that year. So you have a TOP team vs. a BOTTOM team. Not a bottom FCS team vs. a TOP FBS team.

 

Not quite. That Michigan team was ranked #3 and was expected to compete for a NC. App State stunned them.

[Franco]

yes. that is the first game that comes to mind. But remember. That Appy St. team was probably best in the nation that year in FCS. And Michigan was HORRIBLE that year. So you have a TOP team vs. a BOTTOM team. Not a bottom FCS team vs. a TOP FBS team.

 

I remember in 2003 when No. 1 FCS school Western Illinois played at LSU in death valley. trailed 13-7 at half. Got an onside kick to start second half, drove down, had 1st and goal from 1 yard line. Got stuffed four straight plays. Then lost 35-7.

 

depth and talent just too much in these games for most part for lower schools to have a chance over four quarters.

 

they weren't that bad (and I'm not saying that because they still blew out our pathetic 3-9 team)

 

They ended up I think at 8-2 and then beat a Tim Tebow led Florida in their bowl

[notredameroom]

my bad. I was thinking that was the year after when they stunk it up. They did rebound to have a solid season after those losses to Appy and Oregon. Thanks for correcting me, gents.

 

But I think the sentiment sticks. ND doesn't buy non-conference victories. K-State's toughest out of conference opponent was Miami. Oregon's? Fresno St. does appear to have some talent, though. But I can't think they are that much different than Miami. Haven't done deep research, but Fresno doesn't even play an ACC sked.

[Franco]

my bad. I was thinking that was the year after when they stunk it up. They did rebound to have a solid season after those losses to Appy and Oregon. Thanks for correcting me, gents.

 

But I think the sentiment sticks. ND doesn't buy non-conference victories. K-State's toughest out of conference opponent was Miami. Oregon's? Fresno St. does appear to have some talent, though. But I can't think they are that much different than Miami. Haven't done deep research, but Fresno doesn't even play an ACC sked.

 

Yup, it seriously baffles me how so many people can say that ND has a weak schedule with a straight face when (unless you're a fan of USC or UCLA), your team is playing multiple FCS or REALLY bad FBS teams (anybody from the Sun Belt)

[BI5224]

I need some help here. I heard once a few years ago that victories over FCS teams do not count against bowl eligibility (?). Meaning, if a FBS team is 6-6 at the end of the year with a win over an FCS school, said FBS team is not bowl eligible. Do I remember this correctly?

[notredameroom]

I need some help here. I heard once a few years ago that victories over FCS teams do not count against bowl eligibility (?). Meaning, if a FBS team is 6-6 at the end of the year with a win over an FCS school, said FBS team is not bowl eligible. Do I remember this correctly?

 

Can count one victory toward bowl eligibility I believe.

[tj4ndirish]

Michigan paid for a victory once.

 

http://www.clevelandskyline.com/Appalachian_State_Michigan_Upset_Photo_appsu3_large.jpg

 

Ha ha ha ha ha ha................and that's what they get for scheduling "weaker" teams. I'm waiting for the suckeyes to lose one of these so I can have a sh it eating grin the whole following week.

[smaster]

People have mentioned that initial rankings had a lot to do with who's positioned where (one of the many reasons I wish they'd just save human polls until well into October).

 

We are also a tad unlucky with regard to timing. K State got "noticed" before us this season, by virtue of beating OU first. I guarantee that if we'd beaten a giant before them -- even if it were a different giant -- then we'd be #1 or #2 right now.

[notredameroom]

Michigan playing 'Bama this year hurt ND. It as least showed them early as not a top tier team. So even though ND beat a team that went to a BCS game last season, although had some losses, it wasn't the biggest deal. If Michigan had played a softy Game 1 of the year, they'd have one more win on their belt.

[corysold]

People have mentioned that initial rankings had a lot to do with who's positioned where (one of the many reasons I wish they'd just save human polls until well into October).

 

We are also a tad unlucky with regard to timing. K State got "noticed" before us this season, by virtue of beating OU first. I guarantee that if we'd beaten a giant before them -- even if it were a different giant -- then we'd be #1 or #2 right now.

 

Yep. Not that you can change the schedule, but the timing of things has certainly gone against ND this year, up to this point.

 

If ND had beaten OU last week and K. State was struggling vs. N. Texas, ND would probably be #1 right now.

 

However, since ND has had two of their worst games recently, when voters are deciding on a new number one, that has hurt them, while everyone seems to forget that K. State struggled with North Texas and Iowa St. earlier in the year. Of course, that is really no ones fault but their own, but the timing of wins hasn't been great for ND this year.

[piratey]

Michigan playing 'Bama this year hurt ND. It as least showed them early as not a top tier team. So even though ND beat a team that went to a BCS game last season, although had some losses, it wasn't the biggest deal. If Michigan had played a softy Game 1 of the year, they'd have one more win on their belt.

 

And the thing is? I can see Michigan sneaking into the BCS game. Here's how...

 

Michigan is ranked 21st with a 7-3 record. Beating undefeated tOSU would put them at 9-3 with a big voter boost. Now, who do they have to jump?

 

20-Louisiana Tech, they have a loss, consider them jumped

19-Louisville...Big East

18-USC, hopefully 2 more losses pending

17-UCLA, loss to Oregon in PAC12 title game

16-Oregon State has loss to Oregon pending

15-Texas, hopefully they don't jump Texas...

14-Nebraska, they keep moving up...

13-Stanford, likely loss to Oregon upcoming

12-Oklahoma wins out

11-Clemson has to play South Carolina

10-FSU has to play Florida

9-South Carolina has to play Clemson

8-TAMU, no remaining tough games

7-LSU, see above

6-Florida has to play FSU

 

So, in conclusion, Michigan needs to make up 6 spots to get to top 14. Oregon will clear out 3 spots for them, we'll clear out one spot, LT being in chump conference is another. I think late win against tOSU will boost Michigan over FSU if they lose to Florida or Clemson if they lose to SCar.

 

Keep in mind, number 13 Michigan went to the Sugar Bowl last year..

[notredameroom]

Yep. Not that you can change the schedule, but the timing of things has certainly gone against ND this year, up to this point.

 

If ND had beaten OU last week and K. State was struggling vs. N. Texas, ND would probably be #1 right now.

 

However, since ND has had two of their worst games recently, when voters are deciding on a new number one, that has hurt them, while everyone seems to forget that K. State struggled with North Texas and Iowa St. earlier in the year. Of course, that is really no ones fault but their own, but the timing of wins hasn't been great for ND this year.

 

ND probably wanted to win bigger on the scoreboard, of course. But it wasn't a horrible day for the Irish. They dominated Pitt. they just didn't turn FG attempts into touchdowns — so I guess that isn't domination maybe — 500 yards total offense. Held Pitt to like one third down conversion all game. Had 34 first downs compared to 13 for Pitt.

 

People need to realize that winning is top priority. I guarantee Kelly isn't showing everything in his playbook. It's about controlling the game on the ground, moving the ball methodically, grinding on you for four quarters, and letting the defense suffocate you. Style points go both ways. Everyone gets caught up in the flashy offenses, but Notre Dame's defense is just as flashy.

 

I'm sure the one thing Kelly and staff preaching is turnovers. five in two games.

[corysold]

ND probably wanted to win bigger on the scoreboard, of course. But it wasn't a horrible day for the Irish. They dominated Pitt. they just didn't turn FG attempts into touchdowns — so I guess that isn't domination maybe — 500 yards total offense. Held Pitt to like one third down conversion all game. Had 34 first downs compared to 13 for Pitt.

 

People need to realize that winning is top priority. I guarantee Kelly isn't showing everything in his playbook. It's about controlling the game on the ground, moving the ball methodically, grinding on you for four quarters, and letting the defense suffocate you. Style points go both ways. Everyone gets caught up in the flashy offenses, but Notre Dame's defense is just as flashy.

 

I'm sure the one thing Kelly and staff preaching is turnovers. five in two games.

 

Right, I get that, you get that and smart ND fans get that, problem is, we aren't voting.

 

Coaches and pollsters see 29-26 3 OT and make their assumptions.

 

A win is a win, but for some reason, NDs close wins hang heavier on them.

[SDIrishFan]

I've said this for years. There needs to be something to offset against playing FCS teams. I get that it "helps the little guy with a big pay day" but come on.

 

Either the game shouldn't count as an official BCS win and/or none of the players/team stats count either.

 

Maybe that wouldn't make a ton of difference but would you want to play for a team that your stats weren't going to count for two games each year?

 

The bigger deal would be if it didn't count as a BCS win, as the original poster mentioned, KSU and Oregon would really only have 8 victories. I'd be AD's would act really quick to get those teams off the schedule if they didn't count.

[corysold]

I've said this for years. There needs to be something to offset against playing FCS teams. I get that it "helps the little guy with a big pay day" but come on.

 

Either the game shouldn't count as an official BCS win and/or none of the players/team stats count either.

 

Maybe that wouldn't make a ton of difference but would you want to play for a team that your stats weren't going to count for two games each year?

 

The bigger deal would be if it didn't count as a BCS win, as the original poster mentioned, KSU and Oregon would really only have 8 victories. I'd be AD's would act really quick to get those teams off the schedule if they didn't count.

For the sake of accuracy, North Texas and Arkansas St are NOT FCS teams. They arent BCS, but they are FBS schools.