dangeruss 6 Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 well it happened again and i think i've finally had enough of it. i believe it may have been on NDs second drive of the game. ND had a TE on the left end of the line in a 3 point stance (not sure if it was nikals or eifert). they snapped the ball and the TE ran straight up the field headed to the endzone wide open and uncovered and golson missed it again. i hope that BK is seeing this while watching film and telling golson that he's missed a number of wide open touchdowns becaue when we play USC and in our bowl game this can not happen if we expect to win these games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corysold 0 Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 well it happened again and i think i've finally had enough of it. i believe it may have been on NDs second drive of the game. ND had a TE on the left end of the line in a 3 point stance (not sure if it was nikals or eifert). they snapped the ball and the TE ran straight up the field headed to the endzone wide open and uncovered and golson missed it again. i hope that BK is seeing this while watching film and telling golson that he's missed a number of wide open touchdowns becaue when we play USC and in our bowl game this can not happen if we expect to win these games. Yep, it was Eifert running to the corner. Golson threw it to the under receiver without ever looking his way. Though he did finally find Niklas wide open later, so maybe there is hope! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piratey 6 Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 Yep, it was Eifert running to the corner. Golson threw it to the under receiver without ever looking his way. Though he did finally find Niklas wide open later, so maybe there is hope! Film study, film study, film study. Very correctable mistakes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SDIrishFan 607 Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 This is true, but there is something that should be mentioned. A couple plays before that, BC ran a corner blitz from the short side and Theo was wide open on a stop route which I'm guessing is the hot read and Golson completely missed him. Even Mayock, our expert analyst was harping on him about it. So, my bet is BK said, "Throw it to Theo if the run CB Blitz again, he's wide open" or something to that effect. Well, the play you mentioned, they ran CB blitz from the short side, Golson saw it and tried to get to Theo as quickly as possible. As a result, Eifert ran free to the corner of the end zone. But, once he saw blitz from that side he wasn't looking at anything else. So, I'll give him a semi-pass on this one but he should have at least hit Theo, which he didn't and overthrew him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbrown_9999 1,125 Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 well it happened again and i think i've finally had enough of it. i believe it may have been on NDs second drive of the game. ND had a TE on the left end of the line in a 3 point stance (not sure if it was nikals or eifert). they snapped the ball and the TE ran straight up the field headed to the endzone wide open and uncovered and golson missed it again. i hope that BK is seeing this while watching film and telling golson that he's missed a number of wide open touchdowns becaue when we play USC and in our bowl game this can not happen if we expect to win these games. One thought is that if TE is not the first read and the first read is open, then Golson is probably being taught to throw the ball to the first read. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nd1989 216 Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 (edited) Most college QBs go to their primary receiver, and Everett is no different. It's dificult to recognize who will be open when the play starts or to progress thru your receivers. Tommy does it, when he has time, and Everett somewhat does it when he scrambles -- although Everett's isn't really a progression it's a "look for who is open". I think Everett will get there, but maybe not this year. Even his interception two weeks ago, was where the lower defender shed from Theo and covered Nicklas in the corner. Theo was wide open underneath if Everett saw it. It just takes time. Edited November 12, 2012 by nd1989 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notredameroom 0 Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 well it happened again and i think i've finally had enough of it. i believe it may have been on NDs second drive of the game. ND had a TE on the left end of the line in a 3 point stance (not sure if it was nikals or eifert). they snapped the ball and the TE ran straight up the field headed to the endzone wide open and uncovered and golson missed it again. i hope that BK is seeing this while watching film and telling golson that he's missed a number of wide open touchdowns becaue when we play USC and in our bowl game this can not happen if we expect to win these games. Can you be more specific? They only threw twice on their second drive of the game. First was a wide-receiver screen to Daniels (eifert blocking). Think they lined up stacked wide to the left. The other pass was a post-route completion to Eifert. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SanDiegoIrish 0 Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 Yeah, it was a bit frustrating to watch, and you could see BK on the sidelines pointing it out to EG throughout the game. Seems like we're definitely leaving some points on the field every time that happens. Despite that though, we're averaging around 200 passing yards per game (209 vs. BC) and were 11-14 on third down. Overall, not too shabby given a freshman QB. He's still learning and I'm looking forward to seeing what he can do a couple years down the road. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SDIrishFan 607 Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 Can you be more specific? They only threw twice on their second drive of the game. First was a wide-receiver screen to Daniels (eifert blocking). Think they lined up stacked wide to the left. The other pass was a post-route completion to Eifert. I believe he is talking about in the red zone, the overthrow to Theo on the short side. Had to be second quarter I believe since we only had one posession in the first quarter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notredameroom 0 Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 This is typical coach-QB talk. watch the play again from the modified all-22 look. Golson looks to throw immediately to his first read to the left. You see something on TV and think, "oh, he should have thrown to this guy." but you are mistaken. When the ball is leaving Golson's hands, the middle of the field is WIDE OPEN. that you are correct. But he'd have to pump fake to Riddick and pull the ball down. Defenders would deepen drops here most likely. But the main point is this is that Eifert was running a post. If you see the middle of the field open and Golson throws there but Eifert breaks the other way (the way the route was designed to go) then Golson is throwing to nobody and then you probably jump down his back for that. If Golson waits longer for Eifert (possibly a second read in the progression), maybe he's open. And you could argue there's a good chance he can catch that pass up against a dropping linebacker or a cornerback who would drop (thus leaving riddick open underneath. The mistake was the throw. Golson was wide open to give us at least a 3rd and 2 or 3rd and 1. And if he breaks first contact, only has LB to beat for TD, MAYBE ... My point being is you can't just say people were running wide open all around. You have to look at the play, the timing, what the read was, etc. First read was the edge there based on cushion, then progress from there. And I'm sure they are teaching him if your primary is open, hit him immediately. He did his job, just didn't make the most accurate throw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackIrish42 0 Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 Look, there have been TE's running wide open down the seam all year. Tommy missed Eifert once in 3rd down himself. I think the QB's are a little scared of that throw right now. It has some risk as throwing over the middle is dangerous at times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FaithInIrish Forever 5,569 Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 (edited) Look, there have been TE's running wide open down the seam all year. Tommy missed Eifert once in 3rd down himself. I think the QB's are a little scared of that throw right now. It has some risk as throwing over the middle is dangerous at times. Mark it down.. we agree and here is why Coaches preach to a qb Never be late over the middle Say a Defensive Tackle gets push on your center.. The call is lets say 5 step drop, read 1 is seam pattern(skinny post) to the TE, read 2 is maybe a hitch to the boundary read 3, is your running back flare to the opposite side the coverage on the back end is lets say two trail(zone 2 deep safeties) linebackers taking zone drops and trailing the play once the threat exits their zone. Your QB takes his 5 steps, the nose Guard pushes your Center back gets his hands up. Your QB hits his back foot wanting to release the ball to the seam that's open, he throws it, the pass gets tipped and the Mike linebacker dives for the interception or worse catches it on the run for a pick 6.. The middle is a dangerous high traffic area of a football field. Its crucial for three things to be right in order to throw it over the middle 1. Timing 2. Footwork 3. Accuracy Another high traffic area is the redzone All three EG improved on this week.. Touchdown to troy Niklas, great ball over the middle to TJ Jones.. Its coming guys.. Edited November 12, 2012 by FaithInIrishForever Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtLeastMySisWasIrish 0 Posted November 13, 2012 Share Posted November 13, 2012 For those who like to watch replays of the game, check out Kelly's reaction when Golson hit Niklas for the TD...it looked as though Kelly was saying "that's the way to look for the TE over the middle...FINALLY!"...havn't seen Kelly react as positively to a Golson throw all season. It's coming, albeit slowly but pretty confident the staff is letting our QB know what he is missing and with more reps, more comfort in the pocket, it will again become a go to route. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrishCalves 0 Posted November 13, 2012 Share Posted November 13, 2012 An interesting tidbit from Coach Sloan of Texas A&M. Did an interview in the lead up to his matchup with Bama, during which he talked about developing Manziel on the fly. Said (in so many words) that there isn't a ton that you can do during the season to develop your quarterback, and that most of the big leaps (i.e. pre-snap reads, audibles, protections, etc) come with work during the off-season. Said (in so many words) that most of this year has been modifying the play calling to accentuate a young guy's strengths while working as best as one can to downplay a kid's weaknesses. Also said that growth does occur during the season, but that it has come at a very slow, very steady pace. Sounded a lot like Everett Golson this year. Yes, he's doing a better job of maximizing his 20-30 throws, but it's not like he's ready to fling it 50 times, handle protections, audible out of every other play, etc. His biggest steps have been gaining the staff's confidence in running the football, and playing with more confidence. Whatever gains we've seen as far as reading the field and diagnosing coverages have been gradual - and it isn't for lack of competence by our coaches. In due time. The great news is, a lot of the things he's missing are correctable, and will come with a better grasp of the playbook, better command of pre-snap capabilities, and in turn a better comfort level of what needs to happen on each play. And even at that, finding Niklas for 6 is a milestone for him in his maturation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notredameroom 0 Posted November 13, 2012 Share Posted November 13, 2012 again, I bet first read on that is the linebacker biting on the play action. Golson looks at the LB while faking the handoff, sees him coming up to play the run, and lobs an easy pass to the manmouth Niklas. A smart read and perfectly placed ball for Golson. No wonder Kelly was giddy. I'm sure you also all remember Niklas started as No. 58 at Notre Dame, a linebacker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corysold 0 Posted November 13, 2012 Share Posted November 13, 2012 again, I bet first read on that is the linebacker biting on the play action. Golson looks at the LB while faking the handoff, sees him coming up to play the run, and lobs an easy pass to the manmouth Niklas. A smart read and perfectly placed ball for Golson. No wonder Kelly was giddy. I'm sure you also all remember Niklas started as No. 58 at Notre Dame, a linebacker. The thing about a play like that is even if it is "covered", a throw like that makes it open. Find me a LB or safety in the nation who can out jump Niklas from a stand still like that play would require. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brian_nd88 106 Posted November 13, 2012 Share Posted November 13, 2012 For those who like to watch replays of the game, check out Kelly's reaction when Golson hit Niklas for the TD...it looked as though Kelly was saying "that's the way to look for the TE over the middle...FINALLY!"...havn't seen Kelly react as positively to a Golson throw all season. It's coming, albeit slowly but pretty confident the staff is letting our QB know what he is missing and with more reps, more comfort in the pocket, it will again become a go to route. first, kelly has been very calm with golson this year. i dont know if he changed or felt he needed a different touch, but he hasnt been yelling and turning purple like in the past. of course, winning helps. second, i noticed a number of times when golson came off the field and kelly was talking to him, golson seemed to either walk past him or did not seem to pay attention. did anyone else notice this? i found it frustrating because kelly is trying to teach him and golson didnt seem to be that interested in learning from his mistakes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrishFan33 0 Posted November 13, 2012 Share Posted November 13, 2012 first, kelly has been very calm with golson this year. i dont know if he changed or felt he needed a different touch, but he hasnt been yelling and turning purple like in the past. of course, winning helps. second, i noticed a number of times when golson came off the field and kelly was talking to him, golson seemed to either walk past him or did not seem to pay attention. did anyone else notice this? i found it frustrating because kelly is trying to teach him and golson didnt seem to be that interested in learning from his mistakes. He's done that at least ten times this season, Coach Kelly is trying to teach him and he walks right past him. Golson is lucky am not Kelly, i would have ripped him a new one on national TV... Who the fu*k do you think you are, When your Head coach is talking you listen, Kelly needs to fix that quick, makes him look real bad.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SDIrishFan 607 Posted November 13, 2012 Share Posted November 13, 2012 second, i noticed a number of times when golson came off the field and kelly was talking to him, golson seemed to either walk past him or did not seem to pay attention. did anyone else notice this? i found it frustrating because kelly is trying to teach him and golson didnt seem to be that interested in learning from his mistakes. Absolutely, it has driven me nuts. He acts like he doesn't even want to listen to what he is saying. The other thing that has bothered me is when he gets taken out, he hides behind a bunch of other players. He should be right next to Kelly, listening to the play calls and watching the play from the sideline, basically taking mental reps. He doesn't seem to do that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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