FACT: ND Needs 2 of 3 to lose

[MyFightingIrish 0]

Listening to all the BCS analysis, there is no scenario where ND catches the Bama, Oregon or Kst in the human polls without those teams losing a game. ND just beat OU in impressive fashion and didn't dent Kst at #3.

 

Simply put, ND needs 2 of the 3 to lose to have a case for the championship game. Obviously ND has unfinished business and needs to take care of their part by beating 3 patsies and USC. All ND can do is win the games on their schedule... but it's a helpless feeling knowing they are currently on the outside looking in and can't change anything about that themselves.

 

THIS seems like the worst "noise" of 2012 yet. Hopefully the team can block it out, finish the reg season with a bang and let the chips fall where they may.

[irishguy773 0]

Listening to all the BCS analysis, there is no scenario where ND catches the Bama, Oregon or Kst in the human polls without those teams losing a game. ND just beat OU in impressive fashion and didn't dent Kst at #3.

 

Simply put, ND needs 2 of the 3 to lose to have a case for the championship game. Obviously ND has unfinished business and needs to take care of their part by beating 3 patsies and USC. All ND can do is win the games on their schedule... but it's a helpless feeling knowing they are currently on the outside looking in and can't change anything about that themselves.

 

THIS seems like the worst "noise" of 2012 yet. Hopefully the team can block it out, finish the reg season with a bang and let the chips fall where they may.

 

Disagree. We made a HUGE dent in K-State. In the USA Today and Harris Polls, we cut their lead on us (in terms of vote numbers) in HALF.

 

Also, keep in mind that Kansas State also doesn't play in a conference championship game.

 

Lastly, if we go undefeated, we will have beaten Oregon's top two wins as well (Stanford and USC), and our Oklahoma, Michigan, and Michigan State wins will all likely be better wins than anything else Oregon will have.

 

Have faith, and be patient. Things will work their way out.

[OKCIrish99 3]

This is going to be the main argument now and how the lack of the 4 team playoff system for this year could hose us. Some feel that an undefeated Alabama and undefeated ND are in the title game for sure. Just a perfect matchup of 2 powerhouse programs and the monetary aspect also. Also, we are the only team currently to beat 4 top 25 teams, 2 of which are on the road. If we finish 12-0, we absolutely should jump KSU and Oregon with our sos. Finishing the season with a victory at USC is still going to be challenging.

[goirish83 0]

how sweet would a 4 team playoff be with these 4? wish the powers that be could just move it up a couple years ahead of schedule

[SDIrishFan 607]

I used to think that no matter what if ND went undefeated, they would be in the NC game.

 

But, I have to admit I am starting to get a little nervous that if all four win out, we will in fact be hosed. If even just on of KState or Oregon lose, that will help a lot b/c of the human polls. After all, the computers love ND.

 

However, the likelihood that all four end up undefeated is pretty minimal. So, for now I'm being patient and am not too worried about it if we win out.

[OklahomaIrish 0]

What if Oklahoma State plays K State very close and we thrash Pitt?? We already looked much better then they did against Oklahoma. We had close games at first (BYU< Michigan, Purdue). But if we start winning big and show we have arrived, I think we can jump Kansas St. in the polls. Hopefully somebody goes down Saturday.....and I don't mean us.

[irish21 0]

Saturday should be fun. ND stomps Pitt @330 then the 3 teams we need to lose are all playing at night.

[OKCIrish99 3]

Saturday night is an enormous night for big games and how it's all going to shake out.

 

Ok St @ KSU

Bama @ LSU

Oregon @ USC

 

Personally, I think USC has the best chance to pull the upset. LSU an outside chance to beat Bama, and I give Ok St a minimal chance to beat KSU. Going to be another fun Saturday for sure though.

[hmmhoyhoy 0]

I cant see how if ND wins out there not in the NC game, even if the other teams manage to win out I think the fact that its ND puts them in. I can easily see ND jumping Oregon or especially Kstate simply because of who they are in the college football landscape. I think win out and were in the NC

[HitchandGo 0]

I cant see how if ND wins out there not in the NC game, even if the other teams manage to win out I think the fact that its ND puts them in. I can easily see ND jumping Oregon or especially Kstate simply because of who they are in the college football landscape. I think win out and were in the NC

 

It seems pretty clear to me that ND will not be in the NCG. Let's just take Oregon for example.Right now, we are essentially tied with them in the BCS. The voters are the Harris and Coaches poll, nobody else matters.

 

So where do they rank us after our big wins against Stanford and Oklahoma? They have us #5.

 

Where do they have Oregon with all their big games in front of them? They are #2.

 

So who we are in the college football landscape isn't going to all of the sudden move us from #5 to #2 in the minds of the voters who already haven't shown any particular credence in ND. If this credence was there, we'd have already seen it in the votes.

 

Now for the computers. Yeah they love us and have us tied for #1 (with KSU). But Bama is about to have #5 LSU and then #16 Texas A&M. Oregon still has #17 USC (Call this a wash since ND does as well) as well as #11 Oregon State, #14 Stanford, and a ranked Arizona or USC again. So this computer love is only temporary, and I'd wager Oregon will be ahead in the computers if they win out.

[OntarioIrish 10]

I cant see how if ND wins out there not in the NC game, even if the other teams manage to win out I think the fact that its ND puts them in. I can easily see ND jumping Oregon or especially Kstate simply because of who they are in the college football landscape. I think win out and were in the NC

 

Your heart is obviously in the right place, but that's not the reality of the situation. OP is bang on - in all likelihood, ND needs 2 of Oregon, K-State & 'Bama to lose, while running the table themselves. That is all.

[moostache 0]

I can give you a BIGGER controversy - LSU beats Alabama then goes on to win the SEC by throttling UGa AND jumps undefeated ND in the human polls; and KSU loses to TCU and falls out of the top-5 , Oregon and ND win out.

 

You top 5 looks like this:

 

1) Oregon 12-0

2) LSU 12-1

3) ND 12-0

4) Alabama 11-1

5) FSU 12-1

 

Don't think it can happen? DO NOT UNDERESTIMATE the SEC whining that would accompany an Alabama loss and the SEC getting excluded from the Title game...

 

I do not think any of that will happen (other than ND finishing 12-0!!! LOL) but I think the controversy this year is likely to revolve around a one-loss SEC team trying to play off of the nonsensical cache the press gives the SEC for perceived S.O.S. advantage...

[hawaiiirish 62]

We go undefeated we will play in the title game----there won't be 4 undefeated teams----more likely only 1 undefeated team will survive---AT BEST TWO---as long as we are one of the two its all going to be set---- In addition don't underestimate the momentum & interests of voters who work for entities that will make HUGE dollars from an ND appearance in the title game.

 

I have very few worries or concerns about anything beyond our own ability to close it out at 12-0--THAT IS STILL GOING TO TAKE A HUGE EFFORT FROM A FOCUSED TEAM___do that and its all going to be good---I GUARANTEE IT!

 

aloha's go irish!

[Domers23 61]

I can give you a BIGGER controversy - LSU beats Alabama then goes on to win the SEC by throttling UGa AND jumps undefeated ND in the human polls; and KSU loses to TCU and falls out of the top-5 , Oregon and ND win out.

 

You top 5 looks like this:

 

1) Oregon 12-0

2) LSU 12-1

3) ND 12-0

4) Alabama 11-1

5) FSU 12-1

 

Don't think it can happen? DO NOT UNDERESTIMATE the SEC whining that would accompany an Alabama loss and the SEC getting excluded from the Title game...

 

I do not think any of that will happen (other than ND finishing 12-0!!! LOL) but I think the controversy this year is likely to revolve around a one-loss SEC team trying to play off of the nonsensical cache the press gives the SEC for perceived S.O.S. advantage...

 

 

 

This ^^^

 

ND 12 - 0, LSU 12 - 1 Oregon 13 - 0 = ND left at the altar. Do not under estimate the power of the SEC bias.

[edcubby 2]

Just win baby!!!

 

12-0 and the Irish will go!!!

[HitchandGo 0]

I'm not worried about a 1-loss SEC team, that just won't happen over an undefeated ND or KSU. T possible controversy would be if there are no undefeated teams or only 1, what happens? Which 1-loss teams do you take and do you take them over undefeated Louisville?

[Domers23 61]

I'm not worried about a 1-loss SEC team, that just won't happen over an undefeated ND or KSU. T possible controversy would be if there are no undefeated teams or only 1, what happens? Which 1-loss teams do you take and do you take them over undefeated Louisville?

 

 

 

You don't understand the power of the SEC then.